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[Raikkonen94]

Sure, I guess he was afraid of Raikkonen beater Massa.

 

Kimi is the most overrated driver in the history of F1.

 

  I wonder what that makes of Alonso when this "overrated" driver beats him. I'm not saying he will, as Alonso is one of the best drivers but so is Kimi. No way he'll be beaten as easily as Massa for the past 3 years.

[swerved]

Maybe this is what he knows.
 

 

Very easy to dismiss it as is said by Alonso's best friend, but you never know.

 

Yes, it is,considering that he's always seemed to prefer to want to keep Massa. plus LdM stating that first Alonso should win a championship and then he wont put in a driver that will bother him.

[as65p]

Yes, it is,considering that he's always seemed to prefer to want to keep Massa. plus LdM stating that first Alonso should win a championship and then he wont put in a driver that will bother him.

 

That can be read as if Massa was a driver who bothered him. 

 

Easy to get confused when picking quotes, I know.

[Fontainebleau]

  I wonder what that makes of Alonso when this "overrated" driver beats him. I'm not saying he will, as Alonso is one of the best drivers but so is Kimi. No way he'll be beaten as easily as Massa for the past 3 years.

 

You are saying exactly that. Otherwise you would have said "if this overrated driver beats him" and not "when".
 

[kosmos]

Yes, it is,considering that he's always seemed to prefer to want to keep Massa.

 

He is not going to say to the press that he wants Massa out anyway.

[Raikkonen94]

You are saying exactly that. Otherwise you would have said "if this overrated driver beats him" and not "when".
 

 

If/when.... While I'm reading my previous post I realize you're right but as my native language isn't English I sometimes make mistakes like that, yes. But I didn't mean to say that Kimi will beat Alonso. If I wanted to say that I could've just said that instead of my previous post.

 

And of course I hope Kimi beats him as I'm biased. But you won't hear me saying Alonso is an overrated driver or a bad driver. On the contrary, he's probably the most complete driver of the field.

[RayInTorontoCanada]

What will Kimi do if the situation is reversed? Go to sleep? You know, Alonso IS NOT GOING TO MOVE OVER!

 

Besides, I'm puzzled why you think Alonso may have the edge after what you posted in this thread yourself and via proxy from another posters PM. If I would believe half of that I would certainly expect Raikönnen to crush Alonso easily.

 

What will Kimi do if the situation is reveresed and Alonso does not move over?

 

Probably this: Kimi will try the old fashioned way - and if it doesn't work out, he'll shrug his shoulders and he'll try again next time. You already know that's what he does. He is cold like that. But I could be wrong? Alonso, however, usually doesn't react in that same cold way. You, and everyone else, know that as well.

 

Anyway, what in my post(s) would lead you to imagine that - if I believed "half of" what I'd posted - I "would certainly expect Raikkonen to crush Alonso easily"?

 

Where is the correllation from what I wrote to what you imagine I'd expect?

 

Life is hardly black or white and no one season in Formula One is the same as another season.

 

All I said is that last time Kimi had:

 

1)  no one at Ferrari he had worked with before;

 

2)  wasn't forceful enough in his demands like he became at Lotus; and

 

3) had Shumi undermining him in the background, pulling instead for his protege' Felipe (who he - Schuey - had retired for).

 

Then I said that this time Kimi has:

 

1) Fry (McLaren), Domenicalli & Co, Allison and de Beer (both Lotus) - and, very importantly, Slade (McLaren & Lotus) there going forward;

 

2) Shell paying his salaray + bonuses and the Chairman being a Finn too; and

 

3) no Schuey working "against" him.

 

I also said that Alonso had pissed off Fry, Domenically and di Montezemolo and his "bluff" to try for Webber's RBR seat has killed of his "honeymoon" with Ferrari management.

 

Where did I say that I expect Raikkonen to "crush" Alonso?

 

All I said is that Alonso - being an astute driver and a reader of Sun Tzu - would know and recognize all of the above and shouldn't automatically assume that he'll get the Kimi that was the mid 2008 - mid 2009 Kimi. The Kimi from early 2007 up to Canada/France 2008 ... as well as the Kimi from Hungary 2009 to end of 2009 was a totally different animal to that low 12/13 months period.

 

But, where did I say that Kimi would "crush" Nando?

 

(On the contrary, I said Alonso would have "an edge" "over-all".)

Edited by RayInTorontoCanada, 14 September 2013 - 14:28.

[fabr68]

3) had Shumi undermining him in the background, pulling instead for his protege' Felipe (who he - Schuey - had retired for).

3) no Schuey working "against" him.

 

It seems kind of embarrasing that people are now blaming M. Schumacher for Raikkonen driving shortcomings  of 2008.   If anything, Raikkonen won the 2007 championship thanks to the great car development work Schumacher did on the previous years.  Also, it makes you wonder why Ferrari needed to keep Schumacher for car development when a top driver like Raikkonen was already sign.  Keep in mind that MS stayed at Ferrari because they asked him to and not because he wanted to stay to "screw poor little Raikkonen" over.

 

The 2007 and 2008 Ferrari cars were top of the line, both won WCCs.  Both drivers were able to easily score poles and wins.   

 

Here is a piece that may explain Domenicalli's thoughts on Raikkonen

 

http://www.jamesalle...s-ferrari-boss/

[William Hunt]

William,

Re Zodiac:

You, actually, need more than just the birth-date to be more "accurate". You, actually, need the PRECISE TIME OF BIRTH (to the MINUTE) and the AREA OF THE WORLD the birth took place (preferably, the city).

Did you know that twins, for instance, who were born about 15 to 20 minutes apart can have quite different "chart readings"? (And, no, that isn't my wording - and I am not into Astrology or into the Zodiacs).

 

Hi,

 

Yes I realise this about the exact time and place of birth since the mother of one of my best friends can make such astrologic reports. And off course I don't have the minutes of birth of the drivers.

 

But if you look at the week of birth or the birthday it is already remarkable precise, I have doen this with all my friends and was stunned. Adding minutes (you already need those to know the moons sign f or example) and the birthplace will make such a report so precise that it becomes scary. I used to not believe at all in it untill I saw some of those reports.

 

But even just the generals signs and major characteristics of them can give a very good idea about how people are like. It is remarkable when you look up the profile of the birthdays of for example Prost and Senna (aries) or of Schumacher.

[motorhead]

It seems kind of embarrasing that people are now blaming M. Schumacher for Raikkonen driving shortcomings  of 2008.   If anything, Raikkonen won the 2007 championship thanks to the great car development work Schumacher did on the previous years.  Also, it makes you wonder why Ferrari needed to keep Schumacher for car development when a top driver like Raikkonen was already sign.  Keep in mind that MS stayed at Ferrari because they asked him to and not because he wanted to stay to "screw poor little Raikkonen" over.

 

The 2007 and 2008 Ferrari cars were top of the line, both won WCCs.  Both drivers were able to easily score poles and wins.   

 

Here is a piece that may explain Domenicalli's thoughts on Raikkonen

 

http://www.jamesalle...s-ferrari-boss/

 

Schumacher being a great car developer puts Alonso´s developing skills in a different light then. Alonso hasn´t been able to develope a winning car...what about Schumi at Mercedes?

[RayInTorontoCanada]

Here is a piece that may explain Domenicalli's thoughts on Raikkonen

 

http://www.jamesalle...s-ferrari-boss/

 

That's a load of **** because it's from December 5, 2009!

 

LOLOLOL!!!

 

Domenicalli had no clue at the time because Alonso hadn't even stepped into the car yet. Plus, Domenicalli was only speculating and "felt" but did NOT know.

 

Domenicalli does have a clue now, doesn't he?

 

And, where are the championships after four years of Fernando doing "development" work?

 

You do realize that Domencialli was going to have to give a PR-oriented answer on December 5th 2009. I challenge you to show me something or a link quoting Domenicalli from the present.

Go ahead!

 

Why do you think he re-signed Raikkonen if that's what he still thinks?

 

Domenicalli may have thought certain things (yet didn't KNOW at that time) but he, probably, KNOWS a lot more now.

Edited by RayInTorontoCanada, 14 September 2013 - 16:06.

[RayInTorontoCanada]

It seems kind of embarrasing that people are now blaming M. Schumacher for Raikkonen driving shortcomings  of 2008.  

 

Well, you took 2 out of 6 points and related it out of context.

 

I said that Kimi under-performed in mid 2008 - mid 2009. I don't dispute that one bit. But what I also said that having Shumi there pulling for Massa under his role of "Sporting Director" didn't help Kimi.

 

There were many reason, including sub-par driving by Kimi himself as well as Schuey undermining him behind the scenes.

 

You dispute this?

[RayInTorontoCanada]

Hi,

 

Yes I realise this about the exact time and place of birth ... And off course I don't have the minutes of birth of the drivers.

 

But if you look at the week of birth or the birthday it is already remarkable precise... Adding minutes (you already need those to know the moons sign for example) and the birthplace will make such a report so precise that it becomes scary...

 

 William,

 

If you had the Moon Signs for Alonso and Raikkonen via the minute of their birth, would you be able to tell how they'll do against each-other in 2014?

 

I don't think you can know, to be honest. (But, again, I'm no expert in Astrology and I don't believe in the Zodiacs as much as you).

 

Remember, there are many variables and no pairing is similar. Hamilton-Button in 2010 was different than that same match up in 2011. As was Raikkonen-Massa in 2007 vs mid 2008-mid 2009.

[Cool Beans]

[Watkins74]

^

Spot on. When the talk goes to 2007-2009 you know the thread has run it's course.

[SophieB]

Vastly drifted from the question set in the opening post and yes, running helplessly aground in done-to-death topics. Closed.

Cool Beans and Watkins74, congratulate yourselves on your own psychic powers.