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[Forma1]

As a 23 year old man, I didn't have the chance to live the battles between Prost and Senna or Scheckter and Villeneuve or Fangio and Ascari, but I am sure the duo made up by Raikkönen and Alonso is the most thrilling one for the last 20 years or so. Mesmerizing. Heart-breaking. Breath-taking. Can't find the right word for that. What do you think of that? Which other pairing could you  mention which could be somewhat comparable with this?

[Mackey]

Alonso-Hamilton was better IMO. It just didn´t work

[P123]

I thought this would be a poll asking what people thought the best driver pairing ever was...?

[falalalalaland]

Alonso-Hamilton was better IMO. It just didn´t work

 

Eh. But Alonso-Raikkonen hasn't even happened yet. 

[apoka]

I thought this would be a poll asking what people thought the best driver pairing ever was...?

 

Thought the same - thread title is completely misleading.

 

I guess the best driver pairing was MS/Rubens followed by Vettel/Webber - at least in terms of WDCs/WCCs. For Kimi/Alonso, it's too early to judge, isn't it?

[MustangSally]

I thought this would be a poll asking what people thought the best driver pairing ever was...?

Yes, I thought the same. Was all ready to see Mansell-Patrese or Berger-Alboreto or something like it in the poll. Think the headline needs a tweak.

[RealRacing]

Team with the best two drivers: can't answer before 1987 or so, so Senna-Prost, Piquet-Mansell, Mansell-Prost...

Most effective: as already been said, probably, MS-Bar or SV-MW.

[slmk]

Alonso-Hamilton with Ron Dennis in the background is going to be hard to top, IMO.

[Atreiu]

Too early.

It can be argued Schumacher - Barrichello was the best. 5 WDCs, 5 WCCs. Barrichello was extremely helpful in scoring the points for the WCCs and eventually beating Schumacher's rivals to help in the WDCs. Schumacher's results, meanwhile, speak for themselves.

 

Or if we go for outright talent and impact, Senna - Prost.

 

/thread.

[Tron]

As a 23 year old man, I didn't have the chance to live the battles between Prost and Senna or Scheckter and Villeneuve or Fangio and Ascari.

 

Quick note.

 

In 79, Scheckter was clearly Enzo's announced number one, which Villeneuve accepted from the beginning of the season due to his little expereince compared to Jody.

In fact, Villeneuve could have won that title if it wasn't for the team orders.

[Tron]

Aside from fantastic pairings, a lot of potential ones just missed.

 

Prost and Mansell nearly happened in 1993 again, as did Prost vs Senna for 1994, in both cases, Mansell and Prost respectively retired the following year.

 

Hakkinen was a potential to have had joined Schumacher in Ferrari for 1996, but the team surprised everyone with Irvine's signing.

 

And McLaren also tried to lure Schumacher from Ferrari to pair him with Mika.

 

Then there was always the possibility of Lewis or Kimi or Alonso teaming up with Vettel at Redbull.

 

But IMO the greatest partnerships from an excitement perspective, remain Prost - Senna and Piquet - Mansell.

 

Still Kimi and Alonso has all the potential should the car be fast.

[Xeriks]

Alonso-Hamilton was better IMO. It just didn´t work

I would love to see how that would work now, both are better drivers, Hamilton seems more mature, it would be crazy!

[Forma1]

Yeah, you smell it right, I wanted to list a few pairings at first, but a few of you have been upset with my list. You could have said I missed this or that. You can write you favourite one, that's it.

[Tron]

Yeah, you smell it right, I wanted to list a few pairings at first, but a few of you have been upset with my list. You could have said I missed this or that. You can write you favourite one, that's it.

 

Erhhh... Don't think anyone is upset? Just typing conversation. Isn't that the point of a thread?

[kimster89]

I think this will work in a similar way that Lewis-Jenson did.

[ensign14]

Fangio-Moss, Moss-Brooks, Clark-G. Hill, Senna-Prost, Alonso-Hamilton/Kimi.  All in the pantheon of pairings.  And of that lot I'd take the first as being the first.

[Krozyc]

Häkkinen - Senna   together for three races in 93.  Fastest pair ever?

[eronrules]

the best driver pairing ever ????

 

there are 3 driver pairing in the history of Formula 1 that have achieved the most successes. they are ...

 

1. Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barichello.

 

2. Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna.

 

3. Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber. 

[Collective]

Häkkinen - Senna   together for three races in 93.  Fastest pair ever?

Prost - Senna

[scheivlak]

 

Prost and Mansell nearly happened in 1993 again, as did Prost vs Senna for 1994, in both cases, Mansell and Prost respectively retired the following year.

 

Prost/Senna 94 was never a possibility. It would always have been one or the other.

[Les]

Is is right to put two rooster into the same henhouse?

I would have to say yes but also agree with the second part of the question - that its likely to blow up sooner or later. Look at Senna and Prost. In their two seasons together they destroyed the rest of the field. At the same time we all know how it ended. 

 

I'm sure the rivalry can drive the team forward though. 

 

Oh and best driver pairing? Should be obvious really (see above), its a bigger question what the second greatest was. 

Edited by Les, 12 September 2013 - 17:32.

[William Hunt]

Juan-Manuel Fangio & Stirling Moss at Mercedes in 1955 in my opionion

Edited by William Hunt, 12 September 2013 - 17:46.

[garoidb]

Nelson Piquet and Michael Schumacher. 

[Tron]

the best driver pairing ever ????

 

there are 3 driver pairing in the history of Formula 1 that have achieved the most successes. they are ...

 

1. Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barichello.

 

2. Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna.

 

3. Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber. 

 

And right behind them, Hakkinen and Coultard, Massa and Kimi, and Berger and Senna.

[SpaMaster]

Too early to say Alonso-Raikkonen pair would be so fantastic. We will have to wait and see on that one. Lot of things must go right for it to be like some people claim here.

[Enzoluis]

I care  WCC so it is good to have two top drivers.

 

Nowadays it is easy to make it work. SD should let them fight on trak but overtake is only allowed with DRS not turnng.

[Kingshark]

My top 10 driver's duos which have already occurred, for at least 1 season.

 

1. Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost

2. Jim Clark and Graham Hill

3. Alain Prost and Niki Lauda

4. Juan Manuel Fangio and Stirling Moss

5. Alain Prost and Nigel Mansell

6. Alain Prost and Damon Hill

7. Alain Prost and Keke Rosberg

8. Fenando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton

9. Jack Brabham and John Surtees

10. Nigel Mansell and Nelson Piquet

 

So much  

Edited by Kingshark, 14 September 2013 - 08:44.

[The Kanisteri]

Two roosters in the hen?

 

I feel it, they now get a new rooster to keep company with old cock.

[Nonesuch]

Senna-Prost is bound to be a favourite choice, and with good reason. Together they have the same amount of WDC titles as Schumacher-Barrichello, who were probably the most dominant pair in recent memory.

 

All kidding aside, there's been so many great pairings that it's hard to choose just one. Kingshark gave a great list. 

[hogstar]

Can Ferrari handle two WDC's in the same team? I don't recall this occurring in the team before in my lifetime.  

 

I would say the ballsiest pairing was Rosberg and Mansell in '85. I would of loved to see that continue for one more season, it would of been very interesting!

 

In more recent times, the Alonso/Hamilton pairing was great entertainment in every sense, though maybe not so much fun for McLaren... I enjoyed Alonso getting wound up and I hope  he's enjoyed his comfort zone at Ferrari in the last few seasons because that will come to end next year!!! 

[Kyo]

In terms of driver quality it was Senna-Prost, no doubt.

 

In terms of entertainment for us viewers Senna-Prost, Piquet-Mansell, Alonso-Hamilton were great, can't choose just one.

[RealRacing]

And right behind them, Hakkinen and Coultard, Massa and Kimi, and Berger and Senna.

You mean point-wise? Because DC, Massa and Berger are far from being in the same category as MH, Kimi and Senna respectively.

[RealRacing]

My top 5 10 driver's duos which have already occurred, for at least 1 season.

 

1. Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost

2. Jim Clark and Graham Hill

3. Alain Prost and Niki Lauda

4. Juan Manuel Fangio and Stirling Moss

5. Alain Prost and Nigel Mansell

6. Alain Prost and Damon Hill

7. Alain Prost and Keke Rosberg

8. Fenando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton

9. Jack Brabham and John Surtees

10. Nigel Mansell and Keke Rosberg

 

So much  

Dude you almost made me spit my coffee on the screen when I read No. 6...

Edited by RealRacing, 12 September 2013 - 20:29.

[britishtrident]

the best driver pairing ever ????

 

there are 3 driver pairing in the history of Formula 1 that have achieved the most successes. they are ...

 

1. Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barichello.

 

2. Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna.

 

3. Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber. 

 

 

 

Leg pull  right ?

Number  (1)  was hell  for Rubens

Number (2)  was hell for both

Number (3) was hell for Mark and  how  good a driver  Vettel  actaully  is will only be proven  when somebody gets a car that has as good aero as  the Red Bull.

Edited by britishtrident, 12 September 2013 - 20:48.

[britishtrident]

My top 5 10 driver's duos which have already occurred, for at least 1 season.

 

1. Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost

2. Jim Clark and Graham Hill

3. Alain Prost and Niki Lauda

4. Juan Manuel Fangio and Stirling Moss

5. Alain Prost and Nigel Mansell

6. Alain Prost and Damon Hill

7. Alain Prost and Keke Rosberg

8. Fenando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton

9. Jack Brabham and John Surtees

10. Nigel Mansell and Keke Rosberg

 

So much  

A lot  of  good  drivers but  two  great egos   in the same isn't     always  a great pairing.

 

Much as I know   how great John  Surtees was on both bikes and cars  Brabham  &  Hulme  was a  stronger pairing  in practice than   Brabham &  Surtees. 

 

Also Graham Hill   & Jackie Stewart  were a strong pairing    as were Mario Andretti  & Ronnie Peterson 

[scheivlak]

 

 

Much as I know   how great John  Surtees was on both bikes and cars  Brabham  &  Hulme  was a  stronger pairing  in practice than   Brabham &  Surtees. 

 

 

Brabham and Surtees have never been teammates.

[maverick69]

Brundle and Blundell....... The greatest pairing since Hoddle and Waddle....... 

 

Eyes that freeze like ice.....

Cold electric blue those diamond lights.....

Edited by maverick69, 12 September 2013 - 21:54.

[Tron]

Hakkinen and Coultard.

 

Strange, very few mentions for McLaren's most loyal pair, and quite successful too.

Edited by Tron, 13 September 2013 - 04:22.

[eronrules]

Leg pull  right ?

Number  (1)  was hell  for Rubens

Number (2)  was hell for both

Number (3) was hell for Mark and  how  good a driver  Vettel  actaully  is will only be proven  when somebody gets a car that has as good aero as  the Red Bull.

which shows you that Sustained success in Formula 1 comes with sacrifices and at a huge price. 

[eronrules]

Hakkinen and Coultard.

 

Strange, very few mentions for McLaren's most loyal pair, and quite successful too.

that's because while the driver pairing was good, the team was far to inconsistent. that's why we remember Ferrari in that period as the most successful, not Mclaren. 

[Tron]

that's because while the driver pairing was good, the team was far to inconsistent. that's why we remember Ferrari in that period as the most successful, not Mclaren. 

 

You are right there, but in the six years of the Hakkinen and Coultard pairing, they got two WDC, one WCC, and 30 wins, those are heavy numbers, and McLarens last successful stretch over years.

[Lights]

What's this word 'successful' people keep mentioning here? You got the thread wrong, this is about the best driving pairs, not the most successful driving pairs.

[DampMongoose]

Fangio-Moss, Moss-Brooks, Clark-G. Hill, Senna-Prost, Alonso-Hamilton/Kimi.  All in the pantheon of pairings.  And of that lot I'd take the first as being the first.

 

 Absolutely! Have to agree Fangio and Moss all the way...

[FerrariV12]

Juan-Manuel Fangio & Stirling Moss at Mercedes in 1955 in my opionion

 

Agree with this, Fangio was the clear #1 and Moss a willing #2 with no Prost/Senna-like friction between the two, but was also arguably the second best driver in the entire field as well, especially after Ascari's death.

[Taxi]

The best I saw :

 

Prost - Senna [both at their prime wow]

 

Piquet- Mansell [Both at their prime wow-]

 

Lauda- Prost [Lauda a bit old but it was still mega]

 

Alonso- Hamilton [Susprisingly good and intense]

 

Prost - Mansell [Extremely strong on papper, but Mansell cracked]

 

2014: Alonso- Kimi?  [yet to be seen]

 

 

 

I won't put Schumacher-Barrichello or Vettel-Webber for the simple fact that it was the quality of one driver who made the diference.

[EthanM]

What's this word 'successful' people keep mentioning here? You got the thread wrong, this is about the best driving pairs, not the most successful driving pairs.

 

define best then? Cause success is certainly one measure of quality

[Lights]

define best then? Cause success is certainly one measure of quality

 

It certainly is one measure. Just an inferior one.

[Pampalini]

Also there is a slight problem with the poll- I mean yes, it is right to put two rooster together, but it WILL blow up sooner or later (and I don't mind it if it's stellar while it lasts. See Alonso-Hamilton- I, as a spectator, would choose that one year over 1000 years of Schumi-Barrichello, or Vettel-Webber (two borefests IMHO)

 

Best pairing was of course Senna-Prost. Everything was there, the talent (both drivers and the team), the tension, the personality, the prime time, the characters, the success... and it managed to last for 2 years and it managed to "blow up" without destroying the team or the drivers.

 

Just to humor Lights   the Hamilton-Button pair was great, an awesome pair, and it should have worked, but the team unfortunately choked...

[Rinehart]

There is always a debate on if 2 roosters can survive in the same hen house - however, over the years there have been just as many clashes over 2 drivers that are either not perceived roosters, or only one of them is... So for my money, it has nothing to do with roosters and everything to do with personalities, egos, agreements, status and politics. 

 

I like Mansell & Webber a lot but did either of them ever get on with a teammate?

[Tron]

There's also Lauda and Regazzoni's era, speed vs endurance.