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#1 AustinF1

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 16:08

How many times has the Driver's Championship been decided at the final GP of the season? The Constructor's?

 

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#2 mnmracer

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 16:26

Drivers Championship

1951 - Fangio

1956 - Fangio

1958 - Hawthorn

1959 - Brabham

1962 - Hill

1964 - Surtees

1967 - Hulme

1968 - Hill

1974 - Fittipaldi

1976 - Hunt

1981 - Piquet

1982 - Rosberg

1983 - Piquet

1984 - Lauda

1986 - Prost

1994 - Schumacher

1996 - Hill

1997 - Villeneuve (not if you consider Schumacher's disqualification, Frentzen was out of the running much earlier)

1998 - Häkkinen

1999 - Häkkinen

2003 - Schumacher

2006 - Alonso

2007 - Räikkönen

2008 - Hamilton

2010 - Vettel

2012 - Vettel

 

Constructor's championship

Note: until 1979, this is purely based on points difference, not the best results (as up until 1990, only the 'x' best results counted)

1964 - Ferrari

1983 - Ferrari

1985 - McLaren

1991 - McLaren

1994 - Williams

1999 - Ferrari

2003 - Ferrari

2005 - Renault

2006 - Renault

2008 - Ferrari


Edited by mnmracer, 14 September 2013 - 10:25.


#3 Jimisgod

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 16:37

So for 6 years between 88 and 93 it was done before the final race? And people call those the golden years...

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 16:39

So for 6 years between 88 and 93 it was done before the final race? And people call those the golden years...

Protip: any era full of dominance by one or two drivers is the best thing ever, as long as it was a long time ago. Everyone loves it as long as they don't have to wake up early every Sunday to watch it unfold. Then it's boring.



#5 E.B.

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 16:46

So for 6 years between 88 and 93 it was done before the final race? And people call those the golden years...

 

It's not all about when the championship was decided, otherwise why bother watching the first 80% of the season?

 

1987 was decided before the final round too, so I don't quite get the second "1981-Piquet" typo in the list.



#6 Jimisgod

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 16:46

And we all know why it didn't go down to a final race in 1990...

#7 scheivlak

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 16:53

So for 6 years between 88 and 93 it was done before the final race? And people call those the golden years...

Some people.



#8 Kyo

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 16:55

And we all know why it didn't go down to a final race in 1990...

As well as 89. Right?



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 17:04

So for 6 years between 88 and 93 it was done before the final race? And people call those the golden years...

People will call the current years a golden era as well in the future. Nevertheless, some people are bored, because of perceived dominance even with 2010 and 2012 being decided in the last race.



#10 Kyo

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 17:37

People will call the current years a golden era as well in the future. Nevertheless, some people are bored, because of perceived dominance even with 2010 and 2012 being decided in the last race.

Between 87-93 we had 4 different champions and none won more than 2 consecutive WDC, but certainly that wasn't what made it the golden era. The drivers qualities and personalities together with their pairings in the top teams was what enabled the immense rivalry between them and resulted in lots of news, publicity and controversies inside and outside the track, making it immensely interesting/fun to watch.



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 17:40

So for 6 years between 88 and 93 it was done before the final race? And people call those the golden years...

 

1987 too.

 

I always felt Adelaide got such a raw deal. In 11 years of being the final race, they only got two championship deciders (86 and 94). In that time Suzuka got 5 (87, 88, 89, 90, 91). Then Suzuka became the last race of the season and immediately got 3 championship deciders (96, 98, 99), plus Jerez got one too (97). 



#12 mnmracer

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 18:43

It's not all about when the championship was decided, otherwise why bother watching the first 80% of the season?

 

1987 was decided before the final round too, so I don't quite get the second "1981-Piquet" typo in the list.

Fixed.



#13 Atreiu

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 19:58

So for 6 years between 88 and 93 it was done before the final race? And people call those the golden years...

 

What does one thing have to do with the other?

 

1996 went down to Suzuka but it is very far from a classical season. The most exciting event championship wise was watching the Monza flops put celebrations on hold.

 

2000 was extremely hard fought and became an instant classic without having the last race decide things.


Edited by Atreiu, 13 September 2013 - 20:01.


#14 ensign14

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 20:15

Protip: any era full of dominance by one or two drivers is the best thing ever, as long as it was a long time ago. Everyone loves it as long as they don't have to wake up early every Sunday to watch it unfold. Then it's boring.

 

It depends what you are seeing.  If you are seeing a master dance on the edge of what is possible for lap after lap, I defy anyone to find it boring.  If it's down to the governing body conspiring with a chosen team to outlaw the opposition's car on non-existent pretexts and throw them years behind the curve, then it's boring.



#15 CrashPad

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 20:20

Interestingly all the WDCs won by Finns were decided in the final race.



#16 Kingshark

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 09:35

Constructor's championship

Note: until 1979, this is purely based on points difference, not the best results (as up until 1990, only the 'x' best results counted)

1964 - Ferrari

1983 - Ferrari

1985 - McLaren

1991 - McLaren

1994 - Williams

1999 - Ferrari

2003 - Ferrari

2005 - Renault

2006 - Renault

 

Ferrari 2008?


Edited by Kingshark, 14 September 2013 - 09:36.


#17 alfa1

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 10:15

People will call the current years a golden era as well in the future. Nevertheless, some people are bored, because of perceived dominance even with 2010 and 2012 being decided in the last race.

And not just the races, but the drivers as well.

Today, a lot of people in the forums are annoyed that Vettel wins all the time, but 50 years from now people will be wishing they had time machines to go back and watch him perform.  Same with Schumacher some years back. Same with whoever dominates a few years from now.

The magical stars of yesteryear in the future are boring for some, today.



#18 spacekid

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 10:16

Interesting stats.

 

I've never really got why the championship being decided at the last race makes in some minds for an 'exciting' championship though. For me its much more about the feel of the season, the quality of the races in it (and sometimes a really exciting race doesn't have to be for the win, but can be exciting because of what else was happening in the field).

 

For me various seasons all have a certain feel - this is going to sound weird but when I remember some years they each almost have a certain 'taste', like when you remember a classic summer by the smell of the grass or whatever. If the title is wrapped up several races early it can still have been a great year if it was mostly really exciting battles and a classic contest.

 

For reference I think 2000 was a much better and more exciting season than 1999 in terms of quality of the championship battle. One went to the wire, the other didn't.



#19 spacekid

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 10:19

And not just the races, but the drivers as well.

Today, a lot of people in the forums are annoyed that Vettel wins all the time, but 50 years from now people will be wishing they had time machines to go back and watch him perform.  Same with Schumacher some years back. Same with whoever dominates a few years from now.

The magical stars of yesteryear in the future are boring for some, today.

 

Very true. People speak with great reverence of Jim Clark spanking the field by about 4 minutes at Spa '63. Rightly so, I'm sure it was an incredible drive. I'd be very interested to see how the forum would respond if we saw something like that today.