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#1 SamH123

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:14

Thank goodness no more 3 week breaks, good to see races rolling around more frequently..

 

There's another thread for the changes to the Singapore sling so discussion for that is here http://forums.autosp...gapore-slinged/

 

 

RB seem to have a new innovation for their gearboxes, some discussion here: http://www.f1technic...4606&start=1320

 

"Here's a little something for the geek in you...

With Singapore just over a week away, we've been putting in the hours with our fellow tech bods at Infiniti to develop a new hydrogen free 'Diamond Like Carbon' coating for the gear boxes we'll be using at the night race at the Marina Bay Street Circuit.

The Diamond Like Carbon (DLC to you and me) is already used in Infiniti road cars so we’ve re-worked the idea to use on our RB9s. The material is super-smooth which results in less friction between the elements inside the gear box. Broken down, what this means is that we can manage the temperature of the gear box and limit the scope for overheating more easily.

So there you have it."

 

What with their gearbox niggles in Monza, (Vettel had to short shift a couple of gears), and the fact that Singapore will be Vettel's 5th race on his current gearbox (he took a new one after he had the Silverstone failure), there seems to be some chance RB will either take a grid penalty, or on the other hand, have a worry for the race.  I'm guessing they don't need to take a new gearbox for this 'diamond like carbon' coating otherwise they wouldn't be bragging about it like they are.

 

Anyone think Ferrari can improve their performance on slow twisty tracks or Lotus can get back to the sharp end?  I reckon it's a Mercedes vs. RB fight.

 

 

 



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#2 Clatter

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:30

The coating could relate only to the actual gears, which they can change between races.


Edited by Clatter, 16 September 2013 - 10:31.


#3 undersquare

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:37

Thank goodness no more 3 week breaks, good to see races rolling around more frequently..

 

There's another thread for the changes to the Singapore sling so discussion for that is here http://forums.autosp...gapore-slinged/

 

 

RB seem to have a new innovation for their gearboxes, some discussion here: http://www.f1technic...4606&start=1320

 

"Here's a little something for the geek in you...

With Singapore just over a week away, we've been putting in the hours with our fellow tech bods at Infiniti to develop a new hydrogen free 'Diamond Like Carbon' coating for the gear boxes we'll be using at the night race at the Marina Bay Street Circuit.

The Diamond Like Carbon (DLC to you and me) is already used in Infiniti road cars so we’ve re-worked the idea to use on our RB9s. The material is super-smooth which results in less friction between the elements inside the gear box. Broken down, what this means is that we can manage the temperature of the gear box and limit the scope for overheating more easily.

So there you have it."

 

What with their gearbox niggles in Monza, (Vettel had to short shift a couple of gears), and the fact that Singapore will be Vettel's 5th race on his current gearbox (he took a new one after he had the Silverstone failure), there seems to be some chance RB will either take a grid penalty, or on the other hand, have a worry for the race.  I'm guessing they don't need to take a new gearbox for this 'diamond like carbon' coating otherwise they wouldn't be bragging about it like they are.

 

Anyone think Ferrari can improve their performance on slow twisty tracks or Lotus can get back to the sharp end?  I reckon it's a Mercedes vs. RB fight.

Hmm, should mean less transmission losses and more power at the Red Bull wheels - the last thing we needed!!

 

On the other hand Singapore is quite tough on gearboxes with the kerbs and bumps and a lot of shifts, so if there's a weakness maybe it will be exposed. 



#4 Baddoer

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:05

Red Bull track, nothing to see here.



#5 F1ultimate

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:18

Red Bull track, nothing to see here.

 

Don't be pessimistic. If Mercedes locks out the front row the can pull off another Monaco. However, if Vettel gets pole, we'll win the race without even fighting. 


Edited by F1ultimate, 16 September 2013 - 11:32.


#6 steferrari

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:23

Ferrari will bring their last big upgrades package of the season in this race, let's hope it works.



#7 ApexOversteer

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:28

Interesting technology.

 

The Diamond Like Carbon (DLC to you and me) is already used in Infiniti road cars

 

Which particular road going model? Never heard of such application before.



#8 Clatter

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:31

Don't be pessimistic. If Mclaren locks out the front row the can pull off another Monaco. However, if Vettel gets pole, we'll win the race without even fighting. 

That would be nice, but can't see it happening.



#9 F1ultimate

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:32

That would be nice, but can't see it happening.

 

Ops. Meant Mercedes. 



#10 Zava

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:35

pirelli is bringing mediums and supersofts for the race.

http://f1elvis.com/pirelli/



#11 vista

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:38

Conservative Pirelli once again.



#12 JHSingo

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:47

The first Asian tilke-drome. Don't get too excited, I know I won't be. :lol:



#13 Seanspeed

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:33

Tilke bashing is still a thing?



#14 maverick69

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:45

The first Asian tilke-drome. Don't get too excited, I know I won't be. :lol:

Tilke designed downtown Singapore?

 

I thought it was those bastard Brits....... the ones who boo Vettel.........



#15 nosecone

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:51

Tilke bashing is still a thing?

 

Yes. But people forget that he is just doing what Teams/ FiA / Bernie wants. They want long straights because this aids overtaking. And the FiA wants massive run-off areas. If you had to bild a track considering all those guidelines your track would look (almost) the same. Tilke can't build a second Monaco because this would violate all rules the FiA made

 

 

Long straights followed by hard braking. That's how they want him to build the tracks.

 

But sometimes i also think he should build tracks with more flow. The only great corner he build is the first turn in china



#16 noikeee

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 13:11

Yes. But people forget that he is just doing what Teams/ FiA / Bernie wants. They want long straights because this aids overtaking. And the FiA wants massive run-off areas. If you had to bild a track considering all those guidelines your track would look (almost) the same. Tilke can't build a second Monaco because this would violate all rules the FiA made

 

 

Long straights followed by hard braking. That's how they want him to build the tracks.

 

But sometimes i also think he should build tracks with more flow. The only great corner he build is the first turn in china

 

These days with DRS, overtaking is now possible in right about any circuit, providing there's one long straight. The whole model of hairpin-straight-hairpin preceded by a series of slow corners isn't really necessary anymore, and I hope future circuits can be designed in a more flowing fashion, freed of these annoying constraints.
 
His last attempt in Austin was pretty cool and a big improvement, but we could still have done without the mickey-mousey complex at the end of the lap. Singapore isn't really his fault though, unless he had the option to relocate buildings and streets! I personally don't mind the Singapore track anyway, it's not great but it's a nice different challenge for the sake of variety.

Edited by noikeee, 16 September 2013 - 13:13.


#17 Kobasmashi

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 13:18

Will we finally see one of these mythical Singapore evening downpours that have been mentioned every year so far and never materialised?

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 13:19

 

These days with DRS, overtaking is now possible in right about any circuit, providing there's one long straight. The whole model of hairpin-straight-hairpin preceded by a series of slow corners isn't really necessary anymore, and I hope future circuits can be designed in a more flowing fashion, freed of these annoying constraints.
 
His last attempt in Austin was pretty cool and a big improvement, but we could still have done without the mickey-mousey complex at the end of the lap. Singapore isn't really his fault though, unless he had the option to relocate buildings and streets! I personally don't mind the Singapore track anyway, it's not great but it's a nice different challenge for the sake of variety.

 

Or we drop DRS! :eek: Joke, this will not happen with the showmaster Bernie.

Seriously: I agree those tracks aren't necessary anymore but they were build or most of them were build before DRS was invented. And on the other side there are more racing series than F1.... although in China, Abu Dhabi (...) is hardly any other race. 

 

PS: Last night i dreamed a track-designer designed a new highspeed track like Monza, Spa  ;)  c'mon Tilke do that!!! Then those Monza Updates aren't rubbish after one race



#19 Shiroo

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 13:23

one of the better tracks from Tilke.

Actually there are few that are really good, though it is more common to bash Tilkedroms like there is no tomorrow. Similar to the bashfest on /a/ about Moe-stuff.

 

RBR should win it easly


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#20 JHSingo

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 13:47

Tilke bashing is still a thing?

 

Do you remember when you could hold an opinion, without being accused of "bashing" or "being a troll"?

 

Those were crazy days, hey.  ;)

 

 

one of the better tracks from Tilke.

Actually there are few that are really good, though it is more common to bash Tilkedroms like there is no tomorrow. Similar to the bashfest on /a/ about Moe-stuff.

 

RBR should win it easly

 

Isn't "better Tilke track" kind of a oxymoron? :p



#21 muramasa

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 14:06

Tilke designed downtown Singapore?

 

I thought it was those bastard Brits....... the ones who boo Vettel.........

:lol:



#22 Atreiu

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 14:40

Tilke bashing is still a thing?

 

When it comes to Abu Dhabi and other circuits, definitely for me. But I do like Singapore, real street circuit which is tough on cars and drivers.

 

Is there any chance Mercedes finds its Monaco mojo again?



#23 eronrules

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 14:41

http://grandprix247....-second-faster/

 

 

 

Fernando Alonso reported on Twitter after experiencing the changes on the Ferrari simulator: “These days working in the simulator. New Turn 10 in Singapore this year, without the chicane of before. The lap is around 1 second faster.”


#24 vista

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 17:11

I don't like the Singapore circuit; there are way too many slow and/or 90 degree corners. This circuit is perfectly suited to Red Bull and probably also Mercedes. Ferrari will struggle as their updates most likely won't work (as usual) and they will lack traction (as usual). Lotus is outsiders.

 

Would really wish Pirelli had brought the two softest compounds. Rather have more stops than this boring straight-forward strategy of the last two races. 



#25 SR388

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 17:16

I hope them mercs run real fast.

#26 OO7

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 17:17

 

These days with DRS, overtaking is now possible in right about any circuit, providing there's one long straight. The whole model of hairpin-straight-hairpin preceded by a series of slow corners isn't really necessary anymore, and I hope future circuits can be designed in a more flowing fashion, freed of these annoying constraints.

:up: This, but alas it won't happen, trust me. 



#27 eronrules

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 18:17

2 DRS zones announced for the Singapore Gp to aid overtaking.

 

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DRS Zone 1

 

Detection Point:   At T 4

Activation length: Between T 5 - T 7

 

 

DRS Zone 2

 

Detection Point:    Just Before T 22

Activation length:  Between T 23 - T 1


Edited by eronrules, 16 September 2013 - 18:17.


#28 Lazy

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 18:52

The only great corner he build is the first turn in china

Turn 8 at Turkey I believe is one of his.



#29 Timstr11

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 19:01

Is Gary Anderson an eye specialist now? Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel have better eye sight compared to other drivers, which is one of the reasons they're at the top :well:  :

 

 

Some drivers go particularly well at Singapore - and the three that spring to mind immediately are Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel.

Obviously, they are absolutely at the top of the sport, but I suspect that, if you looked into it, this would also have something to do with driving at night and eyesight.

Some drivers will react differently to the glare of the lights, and the reflections of the other cars. And I'm sure that's where you see a slight difference in the drivers' abilities to use the limits of a given track.

Everyone's eyesight is different and drivers respond differently to that. Different light levels affect people's perceptions of space, meaning some people will leave bigger gaps at night than they would during the day.

And I'm sure Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton are strong in that area as well as being world-class drivers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/24085705


Edited by Timstr11, 16 September 2013 - 19:06.


#30 vista

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 19:55

Is Gary Anderson an eye specialist now? Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel have better eye sight compared to other drivers, which is one of the reasons they're at the top :well:  :

 

Interesting theory. In general, it would be really interesting to test physical and neurological differences between normal people and F1 drivers so you could determine where the talents lie from a scientific point of view. The reaction time is an important factor and also the brains interpretation of the speed in the corners and son on.



#31 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 21:03

Will we finally see one of these mythical Singapore evening downpours that have been mentioned every year so far and never materialised?

 

It's the dry monsoon season at the moment, so generally any rain (if any does fall) falls overnight/in the early hours. Sometimes it extends into the afternoon, sometimes the evening, but it's absolutely never even remotely close to guaranteed to affect any on track running in any series because it generally doesn't last until late enough in the day to do so.



#32 maverick69

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 21:37

Is Gary Anderson an eye specialist now? Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel have better eye sight compared to other drivers, which is one of the reasons they're at the top :well:  :

 

Jesus wept.

 

There's a compliment of sorts about Lewis in there............ Is GA feeling ok?  :lol:



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 23:11

Gap was over a second last year betwen soft and supersofts.

Med & SuperSoft should make Q1 real interesting this year.



#34 Kristian

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 23:34

The first Asian tilke-drome. Don't get too excited, I know I won't be. :lol:

That was Sepang, back in the day when he was original. 



#35 Shiroo

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 23:38

Is Gary Anderson an eye specialist now? Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel have better eye sight compared to other drivers, which is one of the reasons they're at the top :well:  :

 

What a load of bullshit wow



#36 luckykun

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 07:05

Any one here going for the Singapore GP? When will be the media session where we can meet drivers? I am planning to go as I am in Singapore.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 07:23

PS: Last night i dreamed a track-designer designed a new highspeed track like Monza, Spa  ;)  c'mon Tilke do that!!! Then those Monza Updates aren't rubbish after one race

 

1. Draw an oval

2. Put chicane on each long straight (2 nos for the whole track)

3. Design 130R at one end, and Istanbul Turn-8 4-apex corner on the other.

4. Draw a pit area somewhere

5. Circuit completes



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 07:24

Gap was over a second last year betwen soft and supersofts.

Med & SuperSoft should make Q1 real interesting this year.

Not sure- Singapore tends to see huge gaps between cars. I remember in 2011 you had 2.5-3 seconds covering the top 10 or 12 cars and Vettel would be a minute clear of some cars in 10 laps in the GP, so I'm not sure it'll make Q1 interesting, but Q2 could get lively.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 07:54

Conservative Pirelli once again.

 

Compared to what?



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#40 Oho

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 07:55

Tilke bashing is still a thing?

Indeed especially as the track has bee laid out by city planners more than by Herman Tilke....



#41 vista

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 11:52

Compared to what?

 

Compared to the first 5-6 races. Strategy has been straight forward lately with very little tyre degradation. I do love the show Pirelli creates with high-degrading tyres (not exploding of course) vs. the last two awfully boring races.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 12:34

Compared to the first 5-6 races. Strategy has been straight forward lately with very little tyre degradation. I do love the show Pirelli creates with high-degrading tyres (not exploding of course) vs. the last two awfully boring races.

 

No kidding, so they should have gone with super softs soaked in some rubber softening agent to make them even more susceptible to tire wear than normal.



#43 eronrules

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 13:23

oh com'on, this is the most daring tire choice since silverstone debacle. i never thought they'd use the 'super-softs' in this season again, but they used it, and don't think this track is easy on the rears.

 

this track is basically 90 deg zig-zag road circuit with normal public road surface. Traction out of those 90 deg corners will be crucial. i do expect the likes of Mercedes to suffer with rear degradation and traction issues.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 13:37

Interesting theory. In general, it would be really interesting to test physical and neurological differences between normal people and F1 drivers so you could determine where the talents lie from a scientific point of view. The reaction time is an important factor and also the brains interpretation of the speed in the corners and son on.

 

Pro athletes (including f1 drivers) are no different to the average person, they have the same exact reaction time we do of .2 of a second. They just practised at something a lot and have more knowledge than everyone else.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 13:43

I've been to Singapore a few times and the weather is an absolute lottery. It could be sunny and all of a sudden it starts chucking it down. Strangely, we're yet to see a wet night race. May be, this is the one. On the evidence of the past two races, it better rain or we could be witnessing another snooze fest. 



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 13:46

I've been to Singapore a few times and the weather is an absolute lottery. It could be sunny and all of a sudden it starts chucking it down. Strangely, we're yet to see a wet night race. May be, this is the one. On the evidence of the past two races, it better rain or we could be witnessing another snooze fest. 

 

It's been raining quite often here in the last few days, so we might well be in for a wet race. Wasn't a wet track considered a problem because of the artificial lighting?



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 13:50

It's been raining quite often here in the last few days, so we might well be in for a wet race. Wasn't a wet track considered a problem because of the artificial lighting?

 

Sounds interesting. Lucky chap you are. Absolutely fantastic city! 



#48 JHSingo

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 14:00

It's been raining quite often here in the last few days, so we might well be in for a wet race. Wasn't a wet track considered a problem because of the artificial lighting?

 

Every year the forecast is the same. Thundery showers in the day, but clearing away at night in time for the race.

 

If I was a betting man, I'd be willing to wager some money on it being a dry race.  ;)



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 14:06

Every year the forecast is the same. Thundery showers in the day, but clearing away at night in time for the race.

 

If I was a betting man, I'd be willing to wager some money on it being a dry race.  ;)

 

Well then, I hope the Ferrari is the fastest package, followed very closely by the Mercedes which is followed even more closely by the Bulls. 



#50 gm914

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 14:13

Is Gary Anderson an eye specialist now? Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel have better eye sight compared to other drivers, which is one of the reasons they're at the top :well:  

The irony here is those three drivers have the blindest fans.   :cool: