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Massa : ''i will no longer play adjutant (to Alonso), now i attack''


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#151 Rinehart

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 12:14

I'm expecting this "attacking" to be completely unnoticeable. 



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#152 encircled

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 12:24

Q: Is Fernando really faster than you?

 

 

Go to 7:28 mark for the question and Felipe's answer.


Edited by encircled, 18 September 2013 - 12:31.


#153 Slackbladder

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 12:26

Is he ever close enough to do so?

 

Only when he's being lapped...

 

But seriously, this is pretty poor from Massa. He would have a point if he was always close or challenging behind Alonso, but never allowed to show his 'ture' speed.

 

How many time has that happened? Very very few, and he's mostly been nowhere near.

 

A good number 2 is there to take points off rivals for the number 1, and to step up when the number 1 isn't able to be there (via faults/crashes in the race). Massa (post accident) has never been that driver.



#154 prty

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 13:35

Was browsing another forum and came across Massa's own interpretation of reality (1m05s):

 



#155 ardbeg

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 14:34

Was browsing another forum and came across Massa's own interpretation of reality (1m05s):

I do not see anything wrong with his interpretation. Or did I look for sarcasm where there was none?



#156 Ramses1348

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 14:40

Was browsing another forum and came across Massa's own interpretation of reality (1m05s):

 

 

"I managed to stay behind"

 

that is indeed a skill he has been mastering for the last 4 years!  :o



#157 prty

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 14:40

I do not see anything wrong with his interpretation. Or did I look for sarcasm where there was none?

 

Do you really think that Bruno Senna closed on him? More like he made a mistake and lost the rear, losing all the momentum.

I posted that as an example of the "it was not my fault" attitude that originates this very thread.


Edited by prty, 18 September 2013 - 14:41.


#158 expert

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 15:20

I think you're reading a little too much into Massa's not quite perfect English. 



#159 ardbeg

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 15:43

Do you really think that Bruno Senna closed on him?

Yes, definitelly.

 

EDIT: Unless you mean the first time he said it, but I attribute that to having to say something in a foreign tongue that fit into the timeline.


Edited by ardbeg, 18 September 2013 - 15:46.


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#160 expert

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 15:54

If you mean at 1:05 I feel he is effectively saying Bruno "closed the door" on him.  Not that Bruno did anything wrong.

 

So yeah, bit of a strange attempt at a Massa beat up.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 17:26

 

"This". He's had now almost four full seasons to showcase his talents since the crash. But all of a sudden he realises that now might be a good moment to start pushing :smoking: It doesn't make sense..

That is not the point that we were discussing, but the comment that Ferrari_F1_fan made that Massa's words were likely taken out of context, and that he will support his teammate in his WDC challenge while trying to audition his talents at the same time now he is looking for a job. Nothing weird there, most people tend to try and look their best in those circumstances. :)

 

I am sure that he is not going to start pushing now, but that he has been doing so for the past seasons too, regardless our perception of how successful he was in his performance.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 17:31

Q: Is Fernando really faster than you?

 

 

Go to 7:28 mark for the question and Felipe's answer.

And what did they expect him to say? "Yes, he is much faster than me"? What does this oh-so-clever journalist thinks Massa would have replied had he been asked "name the drivers that are faster than you"? :drunk:



#163 Taxi

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 18:03

Was browsing another forum and came across Massa's own interpretation of reality (1m05s):

 

 

 

You mean there's other Formula 1 Forums?



#164 gluon

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 18:35

I hope he stays on track...



#165 prty

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 20:08

If you mean at 1:05 I feel he is effectively saying Bruno "closed the door" on him.  Not that Bruno did anything wrong.

 

I know, the point is that Senna didn't close the door, he left plenty of space to be overtaken. He didn't manage the overtake because the rear step out, not because Bruno closed the door, as he didn't do that.

 



#166 Darrenj

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 21:54

really?



#167 revlec

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 15:43

A lot of the comments in this thread are short sighted to say the least.  Looking at how the drivers race results compare over the last three seasons and making conclusions on the relative competitiveness of the drivers is foolish.

 

In Formula 1, the cars are prototypes.  When a new part is made and is found to be superior to its existing counterpart, the teams are forced to make a decision on who to give the superior part to.  So the argument of both drivers having the same car is naive at best.

 

Secondly, do you think teams put both drivers out on the same strategy?  Some drivers have their races compromised before the race starts because when teams aren't sure if plan A will work, they sacrifice their second drivers race on a high risk approach.  Webber's win at the Hungaroring is a perfect example of this.   

 

Thankfully for Felipe's sake, he has Germany 2010 to look back to as proof that Ferrari considered his races to be sacrificial to Alonso.  Excuse me, Santandar considers Massa's races fodder for Alonso.  Ferrari are just the puppets who do whatever the cash tells them to do.

 

I for one salute Felipe.  Should have been champion in 2008 had Ferrari not dropped the ball.  The guy even sacrificed his home GP win in order for his teammate, Kimi, to win his only title.  In spite of all this, all people do is look at the final points standings and claim it as proof of his short comings...

 

There was a rumour here in Italy this year around the Monaco GP(I am sure you remember Massa crashes).

 

Some "guys"(very respected pundits) were sure that Massa was using a "different" car during that race. He was basically testing parts during the race(and has done so in many others) according to them. 


Edited by revlec, 19 September 2013 - 15:46.


#168 eronrules

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 18:05

http://www.f1fanatic...st-help-myself/

 

Felipe Massa has reiterated just before singapore GP that he will not think about supporting his team mate, rather he'll focus on his own race.

 

 

Asked again about his comments in the build-up to the Singapore Grand Prix Massa said:

 

“I don’t help Fernando, I don’t help Ferrari, I don’t help anyone, I just help myself.”

 

“I plan to do the best I can for the last seven races, coming at the end of what has been a fantastic and very long career with Ferrari,” he added.


Edited by eronrules, 19 September 2013 - 18:12.


#169 dau

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 18:16

Well then, Felipe. Put your car where your mouth is. And with that i don't mean about 1,3m above the ground, which would be pretty hard considering the turn 10 chicane has been removed.


Edited by dau, 19 September 2013 - 18:18.


#170 V3TT3L

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 18:24

Massa was informed about his replacement by Domenicali on an informal chat in his office, Tuesday after the Monza GP.

 

Massa said he was kind of expecting for it and in the end he was relieved bcs working for Ferrari means a lot of pressure all the time.



#171 JohnCooperF1

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 18:45

Unless I am mistaken, Massa is still in the employ of Ferrari and as such he is under contract to do as instructed... He will not achieve his aim of impressing potential employers if he is made to sit out the remaining races... just a thought, he may have spoken out as a knee-jerk reaction but I fully expect Massa to be just as compliant as ever come race day.



#172 Richard T

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 18:51

Unless I am mistaken, Massa is still in the employ of Ferrari and as such he is under contract to do as instructed... He will not achieve his aim of impressing potential employers if he is made to sit out the remaining races... just a thought, he may have spoken out as a knee-jerk reaction but I fully expect Massa to be just as compliant as ever come race day.

Yeah, if Massa denies Alonso past should the situation arise in Singapore, Hulkenberg will be in the car as of Korea....



#173 BRG

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 19:04

Yeah, if Massa denies Alonso past should the situation arise in Singapore, Hulkenberg will be in the car as of Korea....

Why?  Is Hulkenberg suitably subservient?



#174 mardmarium

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 19:33

http://www.f1fanatic...st-help-myself/

 

Felipe Massa has reiterated just before singapore GP that he will not think about supporting his team mate, rather he'll focus on his own race.

 

Someone should tell Massa that he still has a contract with Ferrari. Does he want to help himself? Does he want to show everybody how good he is as a driver? perfect, the best way for doing so is stealing as many points as possible from Ferrari rivals. He just have to beat Vettel, Hamilton, Raikkonen, Rosberg, Webber I am sure that nobody inside Ferrari  has prevented him from doing so during these years. I only can say, please Felipe, help yourself. 



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 20:02

http://en.espnf1.com...ory/125599.html

 

lol at this, Massa needs to get real



#176 OvDrone

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 20:12

He forgot to say 'for sure'.



#177 ardbeg

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 21:42

Unless I am mistaken, Massa is still in the employ of Ferrari and as such he is under contract to do as instructed... He will not achieve his aim of impressing potential employers if he is made to sit out the remaining races... just a thought, he may have spoken out as a knee-jerk reaction but I fully expect Massa to be just as compliant as ever come race day.

If he is made to sit out because he is winning races, which obviously is what he want, then he will indeed impress other teams.



#178 Gyno

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 07:22

He is delusinoal if he thinks he will ever win a title in F1.

No top team will take him, only a midfield team is interested in him because he will bring Ferrari secrets with him that might help them.

 

Only chance for him to win a race next year if he finds himself in a car that is 2 seconds a lap faster then everyone else.

He wont win the title because he will somehow screw it all up by him self Like Barichello did at BRAWN GP


Edited by Gyno, 20 September 2013 - 07:22.


#179 majkel

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 07:35

http://en.espnf1.com...ory/125599.html

 

lol at this, Massa needs to get real

He's a funny, funny guy.

I don't even see him in mid level team to be honest.

And come to think of it, low level teams require "special" funding, so effectively his out of F1 for....ever I guess.



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#180 JimiKart

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 15:25

Look at Massa attack in FP2 at Singapore, he's actally attacking himself.



#181 maverick69

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 15:28

I reckon he'll go back to his hotel room and attack his pillow.



#182 Francesc

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 15:33

He will attack the walls. Poor F138...



#183 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 18:47

Obvious team orders today.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 02:21

I hope Ferrari does just that, too.  If he's coming out and saying he wont help the team, then I hope the team gives him slow pitstops and bad strategies in order to show him who works for who.

 

He's extremely lucky for Ferrari to have held onto him as long as they have, holding faith in him year after year.  And now he's gonna say this?  PFffttt. 

Considering Luca's little speech about Fernando (drivers change etc.), I think Masa should be fired on the spot and replaced with .... anybody. :clap:



#185 Lights

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 06:58

The posts above just illustrate how Massa shouldn't have said what he said. Just digging a deeper hole.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 09:14

Considering Luca's little speech about Fernando (drivers change etc.), I think Masa should be fired on the spot and replaced with .... anybody. :clap:

 

Mid-season driver replacements did not turn out well for Ferrari in 2009. The team still has some chance of finishing second in the WCC, another "Badoer" fiasco would pretty much reduce that to zero.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:39

Mid-season driver replacements did not turn out well for Ferrari in 2009. The team still has some chance of finishing second in the WCC, another "Badoer" fiasco would pretty much reduce that to zero.

The difference of course is that 2009 Massa was actually contributing to the team. The slow, crash-prone Massa of 2013, who now declares he is driving for himself, is worth next to nothing to Ferrari. I'm of the opinion that Kobayashi could step in and do a reasonable job.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:43

The difference of course is that 2009 Massa was actually contributing to the team. The slow, crash-prone Massa of 2013, who now declares he is driving for himself, is worth next to nothing to Ferrari. I'm of the opinion that Kobayashi could step in and do a reasonable job.

 

The difference is also that even if Massa isn't doing very well, he is still getting some points, which can't be said about Badoer, who could only dream about a top ten finish. And Fisichella didn't get any points either though he finished in top ten once I remember. 

 

I am not sure Kobayashi would do better or even match Massa, though he had a good record in 2009 as a replacement driver, being instantly on pace.



#189 F.M.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:02

Massa outqualifies Alonso!!!!!! :clap:



#190 Anonymous

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:05

Can't wait  :lol:  



#191 Francesc

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:06

Let's see if he keeps it up during the race, his weakest point.



#192 surbjits

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:08

If he does the same tomorrow, it'd wipe the smug look off 99% of the posters in here.



#193 spacekid

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:13

I must admit I was lol-ing at Massa saying this all through the weekend, but he got the job done against Nando today.

 

It would be very amusing if Felipe were to start beating Alonso.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:16

-> :smoking: 

 

Felipo



#195 Tosh

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:16

Massa outqualifies Alonso!!!!!! :clap:

You never miss an opportunity like that, don't you ?



#196 John Player

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:21

Felipe is faster than you



#197 BorkoF2012

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:23

I must admit I was lol-ing at Massa saying this all through the weekend, but he got the job done against Nando today.

 

It would be very amusing if Felipe were to start beating Alonso.

It's not like this is the first time he is faster in Q this year. It's just 8-5 I think. But Massa still hasn't finished in front of Alonso in the race.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:33

It's not like this is the first time he is faster in Q this year. It's just 8-5 I think. But Massa still hasn't finished in front of Alonso in the race.

 

Yeah, I mean in terms of races.

 

But I didn't realise it was that close in quali, thanks for the info! Thats really surprised me actually, I think I had just started taking it for grated Alonso was doing a better job and stopped paying attention... interesting.

 

I like Alonso and he would be my 'choice' to win the title, but I also like Felipe - I'd like to see him get a few 'wins' over Alonso in the remaining races.



#199 GiancarloF1

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:37

Alonso has never been a one lap wonder, Felipe is always close there. Tomorrow, we will see yet another Alonso fight for the podium, and a Massa race somewhere in the ocean of the midfield.

 

And I'm saying this as more of a Massa-fan than an Alonso-fan.



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#200 V3TT3L

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:38

Beyond Lotus, Massa is waiting for the McLaren situation to resolve.

Jenson wanted a 2 year contract going through the McLaren-Honda period in 2015. However they insisted in 1 year go give Honda the freedon to chose the driver. [What does it mean ??? Honda doesn't regard Jenson high ??? Anyway Jenson finally accepted a 1 year deal.

Perez is not signed yet for 2014. He wants more money.

So there is an opportunity for Massa.

 

FIndia is the team running after Massa, but he isn't much interested.