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F1 set for changes in 2014 (practice and penalty changes)


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#1 D.M.N.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:42

Autosport: http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110017 and http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110018

 

All good in my view.   :up:



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#2 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:48

Good news re young drivers/extra 30mins/extra set of tyres. Also like the new penalty system, as as has been said, rather than a drive through for a minor infringement which could cost 10-20+ seconds, it's literally just a 5/10 second penalty in a current pitstop (though is it basically a case of a 5 second minimum stop including the work done on the car, or the tyres etc done and then held for another 5 seconds?)



#3 sock22

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:48

Yes, all very good news. It will be interesting to see young drivers in the top cars in practice and giving the stewards more scope for awarding suitable penalties is welcome.



#4 TomNokoe

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:44

I don't really see the point in extending FP1 by 30 minutes. The extra tyres is a good thing, but they aren't going to cover the one hour necessary (+30mins and the current 30mins that teams do nothing with) and so will still be left with a 30minute void

#5 Fastcake

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:56

I don't really see the point in extending FP1 by 30 minutes. The extra tyres is a good thing, but they aren't going to cover the one hour necessary (+30mins and the current 30mins that teams do nothing with) and so will still be left with a 30minute void


It's to encourage teams to run young drivers by ensuring the race drivers will still have enough time to run their programmes as well.

#6 F.M.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:00

It will be interesting to see how much of this practice time is actually used, with team probably facing headaches enough next year in terms of engine life. Extra running in FP is something that they will try to limit as much as possible imo.



#7 D.M.N.

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 17:57

Just spotted that the 2 hour FP1 never made the sporting regulations, so it will remain 90 minutes: http://www.fia.com/s...013-12-18_0.pdf

 

"32) FREE PRACTICE 

32.1 Free practice sessions will take place : 
 a) The day after initial scrutineering from 10.00 to 11.30 (P1) and from 14.00 to 15.30 (P2). 
 b) The day before the race from 11.00 to 12.00 (P3). "


#8 Fastcake

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 18:08

Shame that none of the good ideas ever make it into the rulebook. This would of benefited teams willing to run young drivers, as well as give the fans more to watch, but like similar moves by Pirelli to encourage Friday running it gets completely ignored. :down:



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 18:39

I think F.M. has hit the nail on the head regarding engine life. The race drivers will need all the time in the cars as they can get. Not sure it's too much of a loss.



#10 BillBald

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 22:55

I think the 5 or 10 second penalties, which can be simply added after the race if the driver doesn't stop again, will definitely be open to abuse.

 

I can see drivers going off-track to overtake someone who they couldn't otherwise overtake, hoping to get just 5 or 10 seconds penalty. In many cases, it might be worth it to incur the penalty. That's in contrast to a drive-through, which usually causes loss of track position.



#11 Fastcake

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 23:36

I think the 5 or 10 second penalties, which can be simply added after the race if the driver doesn't stop again, will definitely be open to abuse.

 

I can see drivers going off-track to overtake someone who they couldn't otherwise overtake, hoping to get just 5 or 10 seconds penalty. In many cases, it might be worth it to incur the penalty. That's in contrast to a drive-through, which usually causes loss of track position.

 

That's why the stewards may use their discretion when deciding upon penalties. In cases like that, a drive-through would be issued, to ensure that any advantage is correctly negated.



#12 BillBald

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 17:45

That's why the stewards may use their discretion when deciding upon penalties. In cases like that, a drive-through would be issued, to ensure that any advantage is correctly negated.

 

Experience tells me that relying on stewards' discretion doesn't always work out so well, but let's see.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 17:53

How did they plan to implement the 5/10s penalties ? How do they know that the real pit stop has been anded ans that the 5s should start now ? how do they measure it ?



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 18:18

How did they plan to implement the 5/10s penalties ? How do they know that the real pit stop has been anded ans that the 5s should start now ? how do they measure it ?

 

Do it between when the car stops and the pitstop starts?

 

That way the team would have to leave to 5+ or 10+ to make sure they dont go under.

 

I cant be bothered to actually download the regs and find out, are the updated regs available?



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 19:38

They started drive through's so the drivers/cars finished in order rather than say a driver/car finishing second, the driver taking the podium, then being demoted by the stewards. It will happen again with retrospective time penalties.



#16 spacekid

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 19:44

It will be interesting to see how much of this practice time is actually used, with team probably facing headaches enough next year in terms of engine life. Extra running in FP is something that they will try to limit as much as possible imo.


I was going to make exactly the same point. If the teams remain limited on engine/gearbox usage I wonder how this will actually pan out.

#17 Clatter

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 00:55

They started drive through's so the drivers/cars finished in order rather than say a driver/car finishing second, the driver taking the podium, then being demoted by the stewards. It will happen again with retrospective time penalties.

That's not correct. Drive thru's started because the stop and go penalty that preceded them was, in many cases, too draconian. It has nothing to do with sorting the finishing order.



#18 dave34m

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 05:12

If they are going to extend FP1 so the young drivers can have the first 30 minutes, which is a great idea, then they should let the teams have the 3rd car available for them to drive for time.

 

I think all the teams carry a 3rd car but it currently cannot be assembled so maybe that could be an idea. Then the young drivers dont have the worry of potentially damaging a race car or running extra miles on already tight restrictions on the number of engines per season.

 

Just an idea



#19 PayasYouRace

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 09:28

These seem like sensible changes.  :up: