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#701 anti

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:14

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#702 JohnCooperF1

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:15

To all the wingers.... +60 points :rotfl: 



#703 GiancarloF1

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:16

Quite interesting, isn't it? If Grosjean is racing for wins or podiums, and Raikkonen is behind, everything happens to the Frenchman. Alternator failure, engine failure, pitstop screwup, or just suddenly his pace drops and Raikkonen can get ahead. You would think that after Raikkonen's hostile comments against a team which gave him such a great car and a clear no. 1. status, the team is changing its focus to the other side of the garage. Then the same shite happens: Grosjean ahead, looking for podium, Raikkonen is behind, and suddenly Grosjean's car breaks.

 

Nice "coincidence" of life, isn't it?



#704 discover23

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:17

Vettel does not have a lot of fans.. :(
Part of it has to do with RedBull which sells energy drinks which has nothing to do with cars or racing.

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:17

Quite interesting, isn't it? If Grosjean is racing for wins or podiums, and Raikkonen is behind, everything happens to the Frenchman. Alternator failure, engine failure, pitstop screwup, or just suddenly his pace drops and Raikkonen can get ahead. You would think that after Raikkonen's hostile comments against a team which gave him such a great car and a clear no. 1. status, the team is changing its focus to the other side of the garage. Then the same shite happens: Grosjean ahead, looking for podium, Raikkonen is behind, and suddenly Grosjean's car breaks.
 
Nice "coincidence" of life, isn't it?


Not quite sure what you are implying here. Neither driver has a chance of winning the driver's championship now so it is all about the WCC and it doesn't help them at all to have a car retire.

#706 Konsta

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:18

He wasn't booed for winnig, but for winning in a 2.5 sec faster car...

Thats not racing, its another league. Its like the others start in GP2 cars.

While today ended up in tears for MW just look at the diff between him and SV and tell that they did not drive for the same team? SV extracts everything out of his undeniably brilliant car. Nothing wrong with that - others should be doing a better job.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:18

Quite interesting, isn't it? If Grosjean is racing for wins or podiums, and Raikkonen is behind, everything happens to the Frenchman. Alternator failure, engine failure, pitstop screwup, or just suddenly his pace drops and Raikkonen can get ahead. You would think that after Raikkonen's hostile comments against a team which gave him such a great car and a clear no. 1. status, the team is changing its focus to the other side of the garage. Then the same shite happens: Grosjean ahead, looking for podium, Raikkonen is behind, and suddenly Grosjean's car breaks.

 

Nice "coincidence" of life, isn't it?

 

At least it looks like Grosjean could be no1 driver next year, so maybe his luck changes.



#708 kimster89

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:19

I think i does affect Sebastian. It hurts him a lot.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:21

Quite interesting, isn't it? If Grosjean is racing for wins or podiums, and Raikkonen is behind, everything happens to the Frenchman. Alternator failure, engine failure, pitstop screwup, or just suddenly his pace drops and Raikkonen can get ahead. You would think that after Raikkonen's hostile comments against a team which gave him such a great car and a clear no. 1. status, the team is changing its focus to the other side of the garage. Then the same shite happens: Grosjean ahead, looking for podium, Raikkonen is behind, and suddenly Grosjean's car breaks.

 

Nice "coincidence" of life, isn't it?

 

So they decide to sabotage the results for the driver, who will be racing for them in the future, whos manager calls the shots within the team, and while being in a financial situation where every point is needed to try catch up with the teams ahead.

 

Is that what youre saying?



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:21

Quite interesting, isn't it? If Grosjean is racing for wins or podiums, and Raikkonen is behind, everything happens to the Frenchman. Alternator failure, engine failure, pitstop screwup, or just suddenly his pace drops and Raikkonen can get ahead. You would think that after Raikkonen's hostile comments against a team which gave him such a great car and a clear no. 1. status, the team is changing its focus to the other side of the garage. Then the same shite happens: Grosjean ahead, looking for podium, Raikkonen is behind, and suddenly Grosjean's car breaks.

 

Nice "coincidence" of life, isn't it?

 

Yeah, thats why they didnt seat kimi properly on friday. They wanted to make him look even more impressive beating grosjean with a broken back.

Seriosly, do you have anything else to attribute to the forum than senseless kimi bashing?



#711 Konsta

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:22

Quite interesting, isn't it? If Grosjean is racing for wins or podiums, and Raikkonen is behind, everything happens to the Frenchman. Alternator failure, engine failure, pitstop screwup, or just suddenly his pace drops and Raikkonen can get ahead. You would think that after Raikkonen's hostile comments against a team which gave him such a great car and a clear no. 1. status, the team is changing its focus to the other side of the garage. Then the same shite happens: Grosjean ahead, looking for podium, Raikkonen is behind, and suddenly Grosjean's car breaks.

 

Nice "coincidence" of life, isn't it?

Which hostility are you talking about? About him doing everything he can for the team or that he has not been paid? Today showed if anything, sheer determination and motivation added with huge amount of racecraft. Too bad that RG had his misfortune - he sure would've needed a good result.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:24

While today ended up in tears for MW just look at the diff between him and SV and tell that they did not drive for the same team? SV extracts everything out of his undeniably brilliant car. Nothing wrong with that - others should be doing a better job.

Honestly you really don't think any driver in the F1 can be 2.5 sec faster than the other in the same car, do you?



#713 Konsta

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:26

Honestly you really don't think any driver in the F1 can be 2.5 sec faster than the other in the same car, do you?

Well, then you just need to back that up with facts. Something that would be an undeniable proof that Seb and Mark do not have similar machinery.



#714 JohnCooperF1

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:28

They don't have the same machinery... One has a ONE on his the other has a TWO.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:29

Well, then you just need to back that up with facts. Something that would be an undeniable proof that Seb and Mark do not have similar machinery.

 

To be honest, Webber was in traffic all race. Once he got in front of the Mercedes, he seemed to pull away from them clearly.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:30

Amidst of all this booing gate just wanted to say.

 

Wow Sebastian wow, really pure perfection. :up:



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:31

Quite interesting, isn't it? If Grosjean is racing for wins or podiums, and Raikkonen is behind, everything happens to the Frenchman. Alternator failure, engine failure, pitstop screwup, or just suddenly his pace drops and Raikkonen can get ahead. You would think that after Raikkonen's hostile comments against a team which gave him such a great car and a clear no. 1. status, the team is changing its focus to the other side of the garage. Then the same shite happens: Grosjean ahead, looking for podium, Raikkonen is behind, and suddenly Grosjean's car breaks.

 

Nice "coincidence" of life, isn't it?

what are you talking about? :drunk:  Romain´s car has broked twice in front of Kimi, when looking set for podium (Valencia 2012, and singapore today) ...team has no reason to hope Kimi will finish in front of Romain as Kimi is leaving the team...and while Romain was set for podium today, Kimi wasnt behind him.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:37

Quite interesting, isn't it? If Grosjean is racing for wins or podiums, and Raikkonen is behind, everything happens to the Frenchman. Alternator failure, engine failure, pitstop screwup, or just suddenly his pace drops and Raikkonen can get ahead. You would think that after Raikkonen's hostile comments against a team which gave him such a great car and a clear no. 1. status, the team is changing its focus to the other side of the garage. Then the same shite happens: Grosjean ahead, looking for podium, Raikkonen is behind, and suddenly Grosjean's car breaks.

 

Nice "coincidence" of life, isn't it?

 

 

Pull that tin-foil hat tighter!

 

Sounds like someone still has an axe to grind with Kimi after he destroyed Fisichella in Spa.  :lol:



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:39

I think Vettel's pace had more to do with tyres than anything. He's definitely not over 2 seconds faster than anyone else on the grid. Red Bull suddenly being 2 seconds faster than any other car seems unlikely as well.

To me it just seems as if he got his tyres working really well right from the start, being able to push the car without having to worry much about degradation. while the other drivers had to start conservatively as to not ruin the whole stint.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:41

zzzzzzzzzzzz yet another Vettel win- what a suprise.........at least GP2 is worth watching=- because F1 is starting to look depressingly like the mind numbingly boring era when Schumacher won every race.

 

nothing against Seb- but 2013 is dullsville



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:42

what are you talking about? :drunk:  Romain´s car has broked twice in front of Kimi, when looking set for podium (Valencia 2012, and singapore today) ...team has no reason to hope Kimi will finish in front of Romain as Kimi is leaving the team...and while Romain was set for podium today, Kimi wasnt behind him.

I wish there is a sticky thread for all claims of team sabotage.

 

Just considers this, for a team the most important thing is the WCC. That's were the money is. These claims about team sabotage IMO indicated only one thing. People have no idea how to run a business. Who in their right mind would sabotage their own operation and in the process lose money?

 

The proper way (albeit also ridiculed here by many) would be to issue team orders. But never to park a car. The last time a team willfully cut running of a car, AFAIR was Arrows, before they went bust.

 

So today was simple a mechanical. Happens sometimes, even to the #1 of in a team, for Kimi it was Spa, no?


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:43

Pull that tin-foil hat tighter!

Sounds like someone still has an axe to grind with Kimi after he destroyed Fisichella in Spa. :lol:


And every other 2009 race since that ;)

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:44

zzzzzzzzzzzz yet another Vettel win- what a suprise.........at least GP2 is worth watching=- because F1 is starting to look depressingly like the mind numbingly boring era when Schumacher won every race.

 

nothing against Seb- but 2013 is dullsville

 

 

Not half as dull as this kind of post....



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:47

Vettel does not have a lot of fans.. :(
Part of it has to do with RedBull which sells energy drinks which has nothing to do with cars or racing.

 

that's nonsense Seb got lots of fans...  just look at tumblr or twitter....



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:48

I think i does affect Sebastian. It hurts him a lot.

 

I'm sure he'd rather not be booed, but if given the choice of being booed or giving up his win, guess which he'd choose?  lol. 

 

The focus is very much on Seb, but what some are failing to realize is that the other drivers on the podium are becoming affected by it too.  The ongoing nature of it is creating a dismal podium for all - despite cheers for all but Seb.  His colleagues know he does not deserve it and so they feel bad too.   Mark Webber said as much and today, Kimi and Alonso forced the crowd to turn boos to cheers during Seb's second interview speech. 

 

Why do you think they said/did that?  Booing is a downer for the whole podium because while at first it could be shrugged off as happening to everyone now and again, the consistently ongoing nature of it is unfair and in their ignorance, fans do not realize that they are jacking up the podium for all of the drivers to an extent - and of course, Sebastian mostly, undeservedly.

 

The podium interviews should be discontinued.   It is clear that crowds have changed and sporting behavior is unimportant.  Today it is Seb, yesteryear it was Lewis, tomorrow it will be _______?



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:51

No!

Fernando did WAY better than icecream man all weekend

Sry, but no.....Like Mika Salo said on Finnish TV, Alonso took amazing start, but that's basicly all he did in the race....Kimi meanwhile with broken back (and apparently kers problems at some point of the race) gets from 13th to 3rd and performed the best overtake of the race (Button)...if you didnt know, the pain in Kimi's back was so bad on Saturday morning that he was barely able to drive, but still wanted to go for qualifying and race....so considering all this the man for the weekend for me (besides Vettel naturally) was Kimi....still gotta say that Alonso is brilliant at the starts, the best at the moment



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:54

I think Vettel's pace had more to do with tyres than anything. He's definitely not over 2 seconds faster than anyone else on the grid. Red Bull suddenly being 2 seconds faster than any other car seems unlikely as well.

To me it just seems as if he got his tyres working really well right from the start, being able to push the car without having to worry much about degradation. while the other drivers had to start conservatively as to not ruin the whole stint.

IMO Vettel had to drive a number of qualifying laps, to create a gap for his pitstop. He did that and that was it. Executed to perfection IMO. Usually he'd be in conservation mode by that time of a race. So what I've witnessed today was how quick these guys could go, if there were not such rules like keeping a gearbox, engine for how many races.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 15:55

I'm sure he'd rather not be booed, but if given the choice of being booed or giving up his win, guess which he'd choose?  lol. 

 

The focus is very much on Seb, but what some are failing to realize is that the other drivers on the podium are becoming affected by it too.  The ongoing nature of it is creating a dismal podium for all - despite cheers for all but Seb.  His colleagues know he does not deserve it and so they feel bad too.   Mark Webber said as much and today, Kimi and Alonso forced the crowd to turn boos to cheers during Seb's second interview speech. 

 

Why do you think they said/did that?  Booing is a downer for the whole podium because while at first it could be shrugged off as happening to everyone now and again, the consistently ongoing nature of it is unfair and in their ignorance, fans do not realize that they are jacking up the podium for all of the drivers to an extent - and of course, Sebastian mostly, undeservedly.

 

The podium interviews should be discontinued.   It is clear that crowds have changed and sporting behavior is unimportant.  Today it is Seb, yesteryear it was Lewis, tomorrow it will be _______?

 

Very well said by you... it is painful to watch it's disrespectful to the fans of the booed driver as well...



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:01

Sry, but no.....Like Mika Salo said on Finnish TV, Alonso took amazing start, but that's basicly all he did in the race....Kimi meanwhile with broken back (and apparently kers problems at some point of the race) gets from 13th to 3rd and performed the best overtake of the race (Button)...if you didnt know, the pain in Kimi's back was so bad on Saturday morning that he was barely able to drive, but still wanted to go for qualifying and race....so considering all this the man for the weekend for me (besides Vettel naturally) was Kimi....still gotta say that Alonso is brilliant at the starts, the best at the momento

 

I didn´t know what Mika Salo said, but I have to disagree with that. Alonso did exactly what he had to do, his whole race was brilliant and reduce what he did to "amazing start" is unfair. Of course Kimi was brilliant as well, stunning race from him. Both of them, great race.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:03

IMO Vettel had to drive a number of qualifying laps, to create a gap for his pitstop. He did that and that was it. Executed to perfection IMO. Usually he'd be in conservation mode by that time of a race. So what I've witnessed today was how quick these guys could go, if there were not such rules like keeping a gearbox, engine for how many races.

 

That's what I meant as well. Vettel was able to do near-qualifying laps without having to worry about the second half of his stint. I don't think anyone else could have done that out there today.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:10

Vettel had a great race, he got everything right. :up:

 

Alonso's start was amazing, his Ferrari reminded me of a catapult.

 

But what happened at Mercedes GP? Their strategy after the safety car was a bit strange. :confused:



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:10

Utterly DOMINANT race from Sebastian! Rapidly closing in on that 4th title. :up: :up:  :up:

 

Super strong drives by Nando and Kimi!! :up: :up: A little window into what this combo will do next year for Ferrari's WCC position!   :smoking: Kimi's pass on Button was OMFG!!

 

Not too many other standouts for me, but another steady race by Hulkenberg and decent job by Sutil.

 

On the subject of the booing that is becoming a fortnightly ritual serenade to Vettel, let me offer my supposition as to why people do it.

 

First off, IMO, the people who are booing are those who are more knowledgable of F1. They follow the races and the standings, have done so for years, and are very aware of Sebastian's dominance. I don't believe they are booing Sebastian because he wins too much. I don't believe they are booing him because he has mannerisms some find objectionable (Finger, "cucumber," "move him out of the way."). Other drivers have exhibited poor, annoying behavior (Remember Alonso's animal gesticulations?) or have won a lot. I don't think that's it.

 

I think the reason there's a growing flock of boo birds following Vettel is because F1 fans think he's had it too easy. He is smashing records, no doubt, but is he really worthy of being a 4x WDC, with all his wins/poles, or has he just been a good driver in the right place, at the right time, who has had the good fortune of driving Newey-designed cars during a period when the rules were tailor-made for aero? :confused:

 

When they see him driving a car 2.5 seconds PER LAP faster than the rest, that...rightly or wrongly...takes something away from his accomplishments. People can see how he is cruising, with his only concern potential unreliablity. It may not be fair to Seb, but he has had a car with a noticeable advantage over the rest for 4 years, which undercuts his incredible stats. Mansell's reputation was hurt by that when driving the Newey-Designed '92 Williams-Renault. People knew Mansell was a good driver, but no one thought he was better than Senna...he just had a car on another planet. Schumi's historic standing has also suffered from the dominant cars and special treatment he received from Ferrari (custom tires, T.O.). Fans want to see a driver "fighting" for it. Earning it through close competition on the track, so their mettle is tested. The truth is, Seb hasn't had that, so fans are expressing their displeasure at his remarkable stats, which they find somewhat artificial. The more he wins, the more they will boo, until fans feel he's been tested in the same car against a true measuring stick like Alonso, Kimi or Hamiliton. Then they'll feel he's the real deal, and cheer him with thunderous applause but until then... :rolleyes:

 

Just one possible explanation, so please don't take offense, though I'm sure some will anyway.


Edited by PoleMan, 22 September 2013 - 16:17.


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:19

Even at football matches, players don't get booed just because they are too good.

 

In Singapore either.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:20

Vettel had a great race, he got everything right. :up:

 

Alonso's start was amazing, his Ferrari reminded me of a catapult.

 

But what happened at Mercedes GP? Their strategy after the safety car was a bit strange. :confused:

What happened was that they screwed up, plain and simple....Mercedes apparently thought that everyone would be stopping as well, even those who changed the tyres when the safety car came....or they thought that they would be supremely fast with the new tires....anyways that was big screw up by Mercedes to not to pit when safety car happened



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:28

Utterly DOMINANT race from Sebastian! Rapidly closing in on that 4th title. :up: :up:  :up:

 

Super strong drives by Nando and Kimi!! :up: :up: A little window into what this combo will do next year for Ferrari's WCC position!   :smoking: Kimi's pass on Button was OMFG!!

 

Not too many other standouts for me, but another steady race by Hulkenberg and decent job by Sutil.

 

 

:up:

 

Agreed!



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:37

 

 

I think the reason there's a growing flock of boo birds following Vettel is because F1 fans think he's had it too easy...

.

 

Frankly, I think this is the most logical explanation. In my opinion, he is worthy of what he has achieved, no doubt about that, but I am not sure about anybody else opinion

 

On the other hand, I don´t think we are overreacting about the booing, if you are in the middle of an interview, and at some moment the interviewer says to the audience something like “please, don´t do that”…I wouldn´t like to be Vettel in that moment.  



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:52

Vettel really was phenomenal today. I was stunned how he was pulling a gap of 2+ seconds over Webber consistently. That must be special. But that said, Webber kind of struggles at Singapore, so that amplified the gap. But anyone who thinks few other drivers are better than Vettel is in for a rude awakening when they ever pair with Vettel. Booing is just now a chain reaction, I am sure the dogs and cats in the track are also booing by now and at this rate he would be booed at the Wimbledon championships, the Moon, the temples and EyesWideShut parties. There is no real reason. It just means he wins a lot. Kudos to Red Bull for presenting such a nice to car Vettel.

 

Alonso. Stunning start. From there on did well to keep the position pretty much.

 

Raikkonen. Lit it up. P13 to P3 while being unwell is what I could expect from him. Hats off to the pass on Button. It was thrill stuff to watch the two fairest drivers get closer and closer and resulting in a somewhat of a cat-and-mouse overtake. Good strategy by Lotus to bring Raikkonen earlier. That got him 3-4 places I think.

 

Mercedes had no chance the moment SC came in. They could have never finished the race from there without stopping.

 

Perez. Another weekend overshadowed by Button.

 

Webber. I can't believe this is the guy that helped Red Bull win so many WCC. I have given him merit for that. But I am also wondering, may be the second drivers of other top teams are even worse, or, the car was carrying him a bit.

 

Grosjean. Underwhelming start and that compromised the good work done yesterday. From there on so and so. Lotus really needs to get Hulkenberg for the second seat. Hulk may be eyeing the McLaren seat as well. di Resta would be the next best option.


Edited by SpaMaster, 22 September 2013 - 16:58.


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:54

Frankly, I think this is the most logical explanation. In my opinion, he is worthy of what he has achieved, no doubt about that, but I am not sure about anybody else opinion

 

On the other hand, I don´t think we are overreacting about the booing, if you are in the middle of an interview, and at some moment the interviewer says to the audience something like “please, don´t do that”…I wouldn´t like to be Vettel in that moment.  

I do feel badly for Seb. The boos have to sting. He's only 26, and probably is expecting support and respect from the crowd for his achievements, but it's the car advantage and relative lack of intra-team competition that are undercutting him. I wish Red Bull ran their team like McLaren in the late '80s. The McLaren Honda's were clearly dominant, but Ron Dennis elimated a lot of the boredom by pairing Prost with Senna, so even though they blitzed the rest of the field, there was still thrilling excitement for F1 fans, watching the two of them battle for supremacy. It did BOTH of their reputations good, as will the Kimi-Alonso battle next year for Ferrari.


Edited by PoleMan, 22 September 2013 - 17:01.


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 16:55

In fairness to Webber once he announced he was leaving F1 he has struggled to find the motivation and that as much as any car trouble will effect his race day performance.



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:08

Yea sure, blame the fans for not liking Vettel. After all, it can't be his personality...

 

I don't like you. I take it this is your fault?



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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:21

I don't like you. I take it this is your fault?

:rotfl: :up:



#742 F1Champion

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:22

The fans don't like the idea of Vettel winning while the other main contenders are miles away. If there was actually a race with Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton then do you think people will boo? Plus you have team principals saying that Alonso/Hamilton/Kimi are the best drivers in the pit lane yet he gets no success, while another driver perceived to be less good is raking in all of the wins? People are booing at the injustice and the boredom. Just my 2 cents.


Edited by F1Champion, 22 September 2013 - 17:28.


#743 404KF2

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:25

F-1 is so boring this year that I haven't watched any races.....it is a seriously lacking series.



#744 JohnCooperF1

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:26

People are booing at the injustice and the boredom. Just my 2 cents.

 

Then the 'people' are directing their frustration at the wrong person and at the wrong time...



#745 JRizzle86

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:35

Variety is the spice of life.

 

What is lacking from Formula One in 2013 is variety.

 

Therefore people respond to that lack of variety, it is only natural.

 

I don't think Seb is the root of the issue here. 

 

My two cents. 



#746 OSX

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:52

Singapore GP: Post-race Press Conference

22 September 2013

 

RGzFkhc.jpg

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110083

 



#747 XAXIXAX

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:57

Sry, but no.....Like Mika Salo said on Finnish TV, Alonso took amazing start, but that's basicly all he did in the race....Kimi meanwhile with broken back (and apparently kers problems at some point of the race) gets from 13th to 3rd and performed the best overtake of the race (Button)...if you didnt know, the pain in Kimi's back was so bad on Saturday morning that he was barely able to drive, but still wanted to go for qualifying and race....so considering all this the man for the weekend for me (besides Vettel naturally) was Kimi....still gotta say that Alonso is brilliant at the starts, the best at the moment

I didn't know the pain was so big.
Anyway, given the pace Ferrari showed through the entire weekend, I stick to Nando for the best overall.
Seb and RB were in another race today.

#748 GiancarloF1

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 17:58

what are you talking about? :drunk:  Romain´s car has broked twice in front of Kimi, when looking set for podium (Valencia 2012, and singapore today) ...team has no reason to hope Kimi will finish in front of Romain as Kimi is leaving the team...and while Romain was set for podium today, Kimi wasnt behind him.

 

Broken twice, teamorder used three times, stewards interruption once. I'm simply fed up that the faster driver of the Lotus team is so badly held back.



#749 Raikkonen94

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 19:41

Broken twice, teamorder used three times, stewards interruption once. I'm simply fed up that the faster driver of the Lotus team is so badly held back.

 

:rotfl:  Good to know that you got nothing against Raikkonen, have you ever said anything positive about him? :lol:



#750 HeadFirst

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 20:12

F-1 is so boring this year that I haven't watched any races.....it is a seriously lacking series.

If you have not watched the races, how could you know it is boring?