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How do you view the Alonso/Webber penalty?

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Poll: Were the reprimands fair? (182 member(s) have cast votes)

Having watched the onboard clip, do you consider the reprimands given to Web and Alo fair?

  1. Yes, Alonso and Webber were rightfully reprimanded (93 votes [51.10%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 51.10%

  2. No, neither should have been reprimanded (73 votes [40.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.11%

  3. Only Alonso should have been reprimanded for stopping on track (6 votes [3.30%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.30%

  4. Only Webber should have been reprimanded for trying to hitch a lift (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. One/both drivers should have been handed a harsher penalty (elaborate please) (10 votes [5.49%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.49%

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#51 GhostR

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 11:53

First up, I have to say that I completely disagree that we should be analysing the chosen punishment here ignoring that Mark was already on two reprimands. The stewards will have known before they decided on what penalty to measure out that giving Mark a reprimand would generate a 10 place grid penalty. They did, therefore, in effect choose to give Mark a 10 place penalty, while only giving Fernando (who was 50% at fault) a reprimand that will probably not result in any form of actual penalty.


Anyway, putting that to one side:


Some form of punishment for both drivers clearly, and absolutely justified. Seeing that video: the way Fernando stops in the middle of the track on corner exit is dangerous. IMO deserves a penalty that is more than just a reprimand (especially if it's his first of the season, as it probably means he'll effectively go without punishment). Similarly, Webber putting himself at risk to go and jump on a car that's parked in the middle of the road was stupid and needed a punishment. But a reprimand isn't the right punishment here, especially knowing what the consequences of giving that reprimand would be.


This isn't what the reprimand system was originally brought in for (the other two Webber picked up are). Unfortunately I think the stewards are using the reprimands system as an easy way out, and have completely failed to consider the potential consequences of the way they've been haphazardly dishing them out. In Webber's case, at least one of his previous two reprimands was given as the "lenient" option, but has now unfortunately become a heavy-handed beat down.


Big financial penalty for both - big enough that it makes all of the drivers sit up and go "well, I'm never doing that then!"


#52 seahawk

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 11:58

Totally deserved. Webber can be happy he did not get punished harder.

#53 undersquare

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:00

They all go really slow on their slow-down lap, I don't think there was any danger at all of someone driving into them.


A fine would have been a lot better.


Though part of the trouble is that 10 places is too many for 3 reprimands.  At most circuits it means weekend destroyed, its value is millions.


Edit: the poll needs an option for a fine, I reckon.

Edited by undersquare, 23 September 2013 - 12:02.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 13:18

Just for those who don't watch GP2:



The reprimands were absolutely justified. Sucks for Webber of course that it happened to be his third.


This puts the penalty in perspective. A bunch of grown men behaving like teenagers is Alonso and Webber. :(

#55 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 15:44

A reprimand and 100,000$  fine for both would be justified.

Action for road safety stickers on their cars and then they do this.

Reprimand for stepping on track and stopping in a dangerous place justified like it can get.

I like the helpful transporting part, but imagine Webbo falling off and getting mauled by the rear tyres...

They should ban this "shotgun riding" also.