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#151 gluon

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:51

The way I see it, Hamilton's simply saying that as a racer he'd get bored. Obviously no one would hate to keep winning.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:13

That makes no sense.  When Seb drives the wheels off of his dominant car without a challenger, the "driver's" input is meaningless.  But if two drivers are driving the wheels off of their more or less equally dominant cars, one can actually give props to the "driver" that comes out on top?  How does that work? 

 

How do you know that one of the cars wasn't just a tad more dominant than the other and that it is the winning car that should still receive the props? 

 

And how do you know in the case of Seb driving his dominant car, it is not his input that makes the difference between a win and a loss?

 

I don't think Hamilton thought that thru carefully if that is what he meant.

 

I don't understand this. Why would you not get credit for beating one of the highest rated drivers in equal machinery?

When Hamilton beat/matched Alonso in 2007 he got credit for it.

If Ricciardo beats Vettel in 2014 he'll get credit for it.

If Bianchi joined Ferrari and beat Alonso or Kimi he would get credit for it whether the car was dominant or a backmarker. That's what happens when you beat someone considered one of the best in equal machinery.

If Hamilton joined Red Bull and beat Ricciardo as his teammate and won races by big margins people would say he has done a great job but it's easier because he has a great car. If however he went there and beat Vettel as his teammate he would get a lot more credit.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:21

Not bitter at all.

 

All the other drivers are just sick and tired of the Red Bull dominance, they want seasons like 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012 in which multiple cars had somewhat similar performance.

 

Now its just like the Schumacher era all over again, the only time someone else wins is when they **** up.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:22

The way I see it, Hamilton's simply saying that as a racer he'd get bored. Obviously no one would hate to keep winning.

He's saying he wants a contest, not a Red Bull parade lap. 



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:52

Not bitter at all.

 

All the other drivers are just sick and tired of the Red Bull dominance, they want seasons like 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012 in which multiple cars had somewhat similar performance.

 

Now its just like the Schumacher era all over again, the only time someone else wins is when they **** up.

 

I don't remember all races in detail, but I think Kimi, Lewis, Nico and Fernando won on merit this year (without RB failures). 



#156 stanga

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:06

2013 has far too much of a smell of 2011 about it. 

 

To be honest, I think Lewis is just being frank about the type of race he likes to win. He clearly wants to win regardless - but he's simply stating that he'd prefer to win after a battle rather than just driving off into the distance from lap 1. 

 

Of course, the usual suspects will put their vitriolic spin on it, as is their want.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:10

Red Bull and Vettel have touched a sweetspot that all other drivers only can Dream off, so keep dreaming for better results Lewis.

 

Does anyone believe that he would ask the technicians to turn the power down  if Mercedes finds anything for 2014?

 

And what about lying to the judges to get an unfair advantage, is that better?



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:11

That looks like a pretty straight forward contradiction... 

 

Yes, funny how times change isn't it, along with wishes and opinions, some of them anyway.

 

“I'd love to dominate this season - wouldn't that be cool," he told Briton's Sun newspaper, "I know people said that when [Michael] Schumacher won all the time F1 was boring because Ferrari were always on top but, as long as the racing is exciting, it should not be a problem."

 

 

http://www.crash.net...ominate_08.html



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:14

I don't see his comments as sincere as it should be. Firstly he will and has already won in this fashion before and if not it's because he hasn't found a chance so far not that he passed those chances, After all he likes to be Senna and Senna won a lot of races in this way.
He is also belittling Vettel's achievements and is bringing up another excuse for the booers. Until yesterday the reasons for the booing were Malaysia, or Some of the "Passionate" = rabid fans of Ferrari in Monza but now "Easy wins" become a new reason for those booers?

He could have easily condamned the booers without needing to big up himself.

Maybe read the article and the context, the media you know present this thing in a certaun way.

 

You are basically looking for a fight or a "dig" that is not there. When Seb said that Lewis did not share the same lifestyle as him, it was just honesty, there was no dig as such. Same here, Lewis just says he likes closely contested races.he did not knock Vettel's talent and ability which he was complimentary to.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:15

Yes, funny how times change isn't it, along with wishes and opinions, some of them anyway.

 

“I'd love to dominate this season - wouldn't that be cool," he told Briton's Sun newspaper, "I know people said that when [Michael] Schumacher won all the time F1 was boring because Ferrari were always on top but, as long as the racing is exciting, it should not be a problem."

 

 

http://www.crash.net...ominate_08.html

 

"As long as the racing is exciting..."  :wave:



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:16

i believe lewis.lewis seems like a driver who likes tough competition.

i do think he'd get bored being 2 seconds a lap quicker than the rest,thats not all driver.seb is not 2 seconds a lap quicker than any f1 driver.

and as far as lewis being bitter goes,,,well he does defend seb in the interview,saying he deserves credit for his achievements,and he shouldnt be boo'd.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:19

"As long as the racing is exciting..."  :wave:

 

It is, for me in any case, i loved it watching him trying to pass Rosberg on Sunday.

 

Its probably still exciting for those who are fans of Vettel as well.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:29

Yes, funny how times change isn't it, along with wishes and opinions, some of them anyway.

 

“I'd love to dominate this season - wouldn't that be cool," he told Briton's Sun newspaper, "I know people said that when [Michael] Schumacher won all the time F1 was boring because Ferrari were always on top but, as long as the racing is exciting, it should not be a problem."

 

 

http://www.crash.net...ominate_08.html

 

 

dominate by fighting for wins...i.e win most races,but scrap hard for the wins to dominate,which makes the races EXCITING.being 2 seconds a lap quicker,doesnt make anything exciting.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:42

dominate by fighting for wins...i.e win most races,but scrap hard for the wins to dominate,which makes the races EXCITING.being 2 seconds a lap quicker,doesnt make anything exciting.

 

I can;t see that phrase in the quote or the article.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 12:00

It is, for me in any case, i loved it watching him trying to pass Rosberg on Sunday.

 

I enjoyed that too, although I blinked and had to rewind my PVR it was over that quick! Vettel had won the race by the time I found where I had left off :p



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 12:07

I can;t see that phrase in the quote or the article.

 

it doesn't exactly take a genius to work out thats what he's getting at when he says "so long as its exciting"



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 12:13

dominate by fighting for wins...i.e win most races,but scrap hard for the wins to dominate,which makes the races EXCITING.being 2 seconds a lap quicker,doesnt make anything exciting.

 

Well he would be seeing the problem wrong.  The problem is that being 2 seconds a lap SLOWER doesn't make anything exiting.  Alonso also drove around unhindered for the entire race after racing to 3rd at the start around the outside (as Seb and Nico went at it in a short lived battle for 1st at the start).  Alonso needed to speed up and challenge the leader. 

 

The problem is blaming the fast team - rather than the teams failing to get up to speed at any given track and causing some a lack of excitement.  Instead of saying he wouldn't want to be that far ahead, Hamilton should have said he wouldn't want all the other top teams to be so far behind.  It is racing - he is a racer - we are race fans - don't we want everything to speed up rather than any one team slowing down?


Edited by bourbon, 24 September 2013 - 12:15.


#168 Thomas99

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 12:29

I don't remember all races in detail, but I think Kimi, Lewis, Nico and Fernando won on merit this year (without RB failures). 

 

Agreed

 

It wasnt too bad prior to Spa, but from here on it its just back to 2011.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 18:52

Maybe read the article and the context, the media you know present this thing in a certaun way.

 

You are basically looking for a fight or a "dig" that is not there. When Seb said that Lewis did not share the same lifestyle as him, it was just honesty, there was no dig as such. Same here, Lewis just says he likes closely contested races.he did not knock Vettel's talent and ability which he was complimentary to.

 

I found it mostly annoying because he (unintentionally i guess) made another excuse for the booers by saying "fans want to see racing and they're not seeing it at the moment".

http://www.mirror.co...-booing-2296456
“I don’t think it’s anything to do with Malaysia,” said Hamilton.
“Fans just want to see racing. And they’re not really seeing a race at the moment.
“I felt I was in a race.
“I hear now that he was already 12 seconds ahead after four laps. That’s not a race. “

A few quotes of him looked funny to me. "But me! I don't want to be that far ahead."
After all he finished the race on P5, behind his teammate, +10 seconds behind Raikkonen and +20 seconds behind Alonso. So he had better find the reasons for his gap to Raikkonnen and Alonso instead of imagining the feelings of Vettel about his dominant win which it mostly had to do with Vettel's new Option tires than his car.
But didn't Hamilton win in Hungary with +10 seconds in his pocket? He not only wasn't unhappy about that win but it also gave him the expectations of winning the remaining 9 races of this year.
 



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 19:07

I found it mostly annoying because he (unintentionally i guess) made another excuse for the booers by saying "fans want to see racing and they're not seeing it at the moment".

http://www.mirror.co...-booing-2296456
“I don’t think it’s anything to do with Malaysia,” said Hamilton.
“Fans just want to see racing. And they’re not really seeing a race at the moment.
“I felt I was in a race.
“I hear now that he was already 12 seconds ahead after four laps. That’s not a race. “

A few quotes of him looked funny to me. "But me! I don't want to be that far ahead."
After all he finished the race on P5, behind his teammate, +10 seconds behind Raikkonen and +20 seconds behind Alonso. So he had better find the reasons for his gap to Raikkonnen and Alonso instead of imagining the feelings of Vettel about his dominant win which it mostly had to do with Vettel's new Option tires than his car.
But didn't Hamilton win in Hungary with +10 seconds in his pocket? He not only wasn't unhappy about that win but it also gave him the expectations of winning the remaining 9 races of this year.
 

 

Right, like his driving behind first wasn't 'racing' and couldn't keep the crowd exciting.  That is his flaw.  Alonso and Vettel sure, but Hamilton, Webber, Kimi, Nico and more kept us very entertained during the race - which is a race even if Lewis is not challenging for 1st. 



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 19:09

I found it mostly annoying because he (unintentionally i guess) made another excuse for the booers by saying "fans want to see racing and they're not seeing it at the moment".

http://www.mirror.co...-booing-2296456
“I don’t think it’s anything to do with Malaysia,” said Hamilton.
“Fans just want to see racing. And they’re not really seeing a race at the moment.
“I felt I was in a race.
“I hear now that he was already 12 seconds ahead after four laps. That’s not a race. “

A few quotes of him looked funny to me. "But me! I don't want to be that far ahead."
After all he finished the race on P5, behind his teammate, +10 seconds behind Raikkonen and +20 seconds behind Alonso. So he had better find the reasons for his gap to Raikkonnen and Alonso instead of imagining the feelings of Vettel about his dominant win which it mostly had to do with Vettel's new Option tires than his car.
But didn't Hamilton win in Hungary with +10 seconds in his pocket? He not only wasn't unhappy about that win but it also gave him the expectations of winning the remaining 9 races of this year.
 

Erm look at the headline, Lewis thinks that Seb himself is not getting booed, but fans are booing the domination. It is not a veiled attack on Seb, if it was it would be "becuase Seb is dominating" Again, Lewis did not agree with the booing anyway, I do not get what your problem is.

 

Again Lewis enjoys the adrenaline rush of a good wheel to wheel race, just stating his case nothing more nothing less. 



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 19:17

Right, like his driving behind first wasn't 'racing' and couldn't keep the crowd exciting.  That is his flaw.  Alonso and Vettel sure, but Hamilton, Webber, Kimi, Nico and more kept us very entertained during the race - which is a race even if Lewis is not challenging for 1st. 

People are always going to be more interested in the front runners fighting, a entertaining scrap behind is less so entertaining as the stakes are usually far less.

 

This whole debate is really something out of nothing, there is no venom on either side.


Edited by sennafan24, 24 September 2013 - 19:17.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 19:17

I found it mostly annoying because he (unintentionally i guess) made another excuse for the booers by saying "fans want to see racing and they're not seeing it at the moment".

 

It seems to me Hamilton is trying to understand why the people paying hundreds of dollars to visit an F1 Grand Prix have developed such a negative attitude towards the reigning champion. These people supposedly love F1 - or the F1 they've been sold in recent years. Why is it so unacceptable to consider that the 'boo-boys' have proper reasons for their behaviour? We can all disapprove of their ways of expressing themselves, but to ascribe it to some mindless hooliganism seems rather pointless to me.

 

In any case, you left out what Hamilton said about the actual behaviour: “Booing is such a negative thing, especially when someone has worked so hard to be successful. (...) No-one should ever be booed or put down for their success, however hard or easy it’s been for them to get where they are.”



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 21:28

I found it mostly annoying because he (unintentionally i guess) made another excuse for the booers by saying "fans want to see racing and they're not seeing it at the moment".

http://www.mirror.co...-booing-2296456
“I don’t think it’s anything to do with Malaysia,” said Hamilton.
“Fans just want to see racing. And they’re not really seeing a race at the moment.
“I felt I was in a race.
“I hear now that he was already 12 seconds ahead after four laps. That’s not a race. “

A few quotes of him looked funny to me. "But me! I don't want to be that far ahead."
After all he finished the race on P5, behind his teammate, +10 seconds behind Raikkonen and +20 seconds behind Alonso. So he had better find the reasons for his gap to Raikkonnen and Alonso instead of imagining the feelings of Vettel about his dominant win which it mostly had to do with Vettel's new Option tires than his car.
But didn't Hamilton win in Hungary with +10 seconds in his pocket? He not only wasn't unhappy about that win but it also gave him the expectations of winning the remaining 9 races of this year.
 

Hungary was very differnt to Singapore as RBR was at least even with Mercedes

BTW there is no excuse for the booers, it only exists in your fantasy, because you want to see it

 

All this quotes are out of context , and they construct something wich was never said in this way.


Edited by Raven8, 24 September 2013 - 21:30.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 22:02

'I don't want to be that far ahead.' - Hamilton


Edited by V3TT3L, 24 September 2013 - 22:03.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 22:07

It seems to me Hamilton is trying to understand why the people paying hundreds of dollars to visit an F1 Grand Prix have developed such a negative attitude towards the reigning champion. These people supposedly love F1 - or the F1 they've been sold in recent years. Why is it so unacceptable to consider that the 'boo-boys' have proper reasons for their behaviour? We can all disapprove of their ways of expressing themselves, but to ascribe it to some mindless hooliganism seems rather pointless to me.

 

In any case, you left out what Hamilton said about the actual behaviour: “Booing is such a negative thing, especially when someone has worked so hard to be successful. (...) No-one should ever be booed or put down for their success, however hard or easy it’s been for them to get where they are.”

Someone (Nonesuch) who thinks before typing. Cheers! :clap:



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 22:17

Why do we keep on discussing quotes that are a lifetime old?  Hamilton gave an interview almost 6 years ago and I'm seeing acres written about it.  I very much doubt if Hamilton remembers giving the interview and I also doubt if the journalist does either, but because the bloody Interweb archives stuff forever, I get to hear about this now, as if it's news and was published yesterday.

 

Whatever someone said over a year ago doesn't mean they agree with it now.  Reading some of the rubbish posted here, it's obvious that some posters can't make their mind up from week to the next.  We all change our minds - get over it.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:10

That Vettel has it easy, just showing up and doing a (easy) job is quite a rude thing to say, especially after some say one of his best drives of his multiple championship campaigns. In a way Hamilton has joined the booing crowd with that.

And saying he would want to fight for the wins unlike Vettel who then by inference has chosen to get his the easy way is not only a dig, but obviously means he would go for the more honorable way to do it than what (that grabber) Vettel is, so it's the usual vainglory though mostly plain stupidity as the choice is obviously not one F1 drivers make.

As all this comes immediately after he swallows the pill of defeat for the season (and likely career) it seems obvious it stemmed from bitterness, I agree with the OP.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:32

Jealousy. 



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:36

That Vettel has it easy, just showing up and doing a (easy) job is quite a rude thing to say, especially after some say one of his best drives of his multiple championship campaigns. In a way Hamilton has joined the booing crowd with that.

And saying he would want to fight for the wins unlike Vettel who then by inference has chosen to get his the easy way is not only a dig, but obviously means he would go for the more honorable way to do it than what (that grabber) Vettel is, so it's the usual vainglory though mostly plain stupidity as the choice is obviously not one F1 drivers make.

As all this comes immediately after he swallows the pill of defeat for the season (and likely career) it seems obvious it stemmed from bitterness, I agree with the OP.

just that Vettel has it easy, and fighting for a victory is the more honerable win . BTW the fact Hamilton joined to mercedes makes your claim about No F1 driver would do it pointless. Maybe the bitter pill is that albeit all his wins & titles many believe, Vettel has had it much too easy  since some years and it's more down to Newey & the car he is dominating current F1. Hamilton is just stating the obvoius, but some use it to have a dig at him  by ignoring the context and his full quotes, because it fits their agenda!



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:40

just that Vettel has it easy, and fighting for a victory is the more honerable win . BTW the fact Hamilton joined to mercedes makes your claim about No F1 driver would do it pointless. Maybe the bitter pill is that albeit all his wins & titles many believe, Vettel has had it much too easy  since some years and it's more down to Newey & the car he is dominating current F1. Hamilton is just stating the obvoius, but some use it to have a dig at him  by ignoring the context and his full quotes, because it fits their agenda!

 

Well his statement does sound as if he generally fought for all of his wins - but in truth, he led like everyone else - with distance.  Perhaps not as big a distance as last Sunday, but it is relative and meaningless.  If you can't be caught, it does not matter if it is 2 seconds or 50.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:45

just that Vettel has it easy, and fighting for a victory is the more honerable win . 

 

I don't think so. There is hard work behind that (beyond the race itself). He is just taking a single race and using that to belittle Vettel's achievements. It follows the same schema as other quotes emphasizing Newey or saying that Vettel can do lots of mistakes and still get pole etc. That's understandable behavior to protect his legacy. Nevertheless, it is good to see that Vettel and him get along a bit better now.

 

Also, I don't really see what exactly made Hamiltons race that much harder? He was cruising more than Vettel as far as I can judge and the benefited more from the SC than Vettel. I am not sure what he thinks the gap to RB is, but he could do 1:49s on mediums in his last stint. Also, Rosberg had an issue costing him 1s/lap emphasizing the gap even further.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:07

Erm look at the headline, Lewis thinks that Seb himself is not getting booed, but fans are booing the domination. It is not a veiled attack on Seb, if it was it would be "becuase Seb is dominating" Again, Lewis did not agree with the booing anyway, I do not get what your problem is.

 

Again Lewis enjoys the adrenaline rush of a good wheel to wheel race, just stating his case nothing more nothing less. 

 

No problems here mate, We're having a discussion after your reply to my first post. For me it doesn't matter what a headline or journalist says, i,m reading his quotes and i can't interpret it as you like.

I don't think Vettel or other drivers have ever said that they don't like a wheel to wheel battle ieder.

This means to me that if Hamilton's car is 2 seconds faster than the rest he won't take part in racing or enjoy it which is a big lie as he has demonstrated before that he has no problems with having a dominant car for himself.

That's why his comments sounded as a joke to me.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:42

That Vettel has it easy, just showing up and doing a (easy) job is quite a rude thing to say, especially after some say one of his best drives of his multiple championship campaigns. In a way Hamilton has joined the booing crowd with that.

And saying he would want to fight for the wins unlike Vettel who then by inference has chosen to get his the easy way is not only a dig, but obviously means he would go for the more honorable way to do it than what (that grabber) Vettel is, so it's the usual vainglory though mostly plain stupidity as the choice is obviously not one F1 drivers make.

As all this comes immediately after he swallows the pill of defeat for the season (and likely career) it seems obvious it stemmed from bitterness, I agree with the OP.

 

Hamilton is the bitter one?



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:44

It seems to me Hamilton is trying to understand why the people paying hundreds of dollars to visit an F1 Grand Prix have developed such a negative attitude towards the reigning champion. These people supposedly love F1 - or the F1 they've been sold in recent years. Why is it so unacceptable to consider that the 'boo-boys' have proper reasons for their behaviour? We can all disapprove of their ways of expressing themselves, but to ascribe it to some mindless hooliganism seems rather pointless to me.

 

In any case, you left out what Hamilton said about the actual behaviour: “Booing is such a negative thing, especially when someone has worked so hard to be successful. (...) No-one should ever be booed or put down for their success, however hard or easy it’s been for them to get where they are.”

Some of the fans like to boo him, the reality is that none of us knows the exact reasons for each one of them. To bring up reasons for them is just excusing their actions even if you condamn them for that. He doesn't know why those fans boo Vettel so he shouldn't do like he knows. He could very simply say booing is wrong no matter what is their reasons.

 

The things that Vettel has done (dominating, having a great car, being Nr1 driver in his team, his childish acts, his mistakes) is nothing new in f1. So if this isn't hooliganism why didn't people do the same before? When was the last time a driver was booed so consistently?

I don't remember a single example even though i remember far worse reasons for fans to boo some races or drivers.
If this wasn't hooliganism and nothing new in f1 then Alonso should have been booed for the rest of his life after 2007.
 



#186 sennafan24

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:15

No problems here mate, We're having a discussion after your reply to my first post. For me it doesn't matter what a headline or journalist says, i,m reading his quotes and i can't interpret it as you like.

I don't think Vettel or other drivers have ever said that they don't like a wheel to wheel battle ieder.

This means to me that if Hamilton's car is 2 seconds faster than the rest he won't take part in racing or enjoy it which is a big lie as he has demonstrated before that he has no problems with having a dominant car for himself.

That's why his comments sounded as a joke to me.

Fair enough

 

I was not saying Vettel does not like a wheel to wheel battle, the "satisfaction" catchphrase would indicate he might be the type of guy.

 

I generally think Lewis is just the type of guy who likes a good tussle on the track, a good adrenaline rush. I do not think he is lying or his comments have any type of venom to it, works both ways as I also think Vettel is the exactly the same with his comments towards Lewis.

 

But we shall agree to disagree  :yawnface:



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:26

Um, isn't everybody missing something?

 

Why should it matter that Vettel is out ahead? If the real racing is actually happening behind Seb, then what is the problem exactly? Everyone should be happy. Just adjust your expectations. Make 2nd place the "real winner". In which case Hamilton should rightly be happy as a pig in sh*t, since he gets to "race hard" every Sunday.



#188 Coral

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:59

Um, isn't everybody missing something?

 

Why should it matter that Vettel is out ahead? If the real racing is actually happening behind Seb, then what is the problem exactly? Everyone should be happy. Just adjust your expectations. Make 2nd place the "real winner". In which case Hamilton should rightly be happy as a pig in sh*t, since he gets to "race hard" every Sunday.

 

But in F1, the driver who finishes 2nd is "the first one to lose." And none of these drivers want to be losers.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 13:21

Yeah, right! So if he get a car like that in the future he will go - "Nah man, I don't like it. The car is too fast, make it slower so I can fight the others." Fat chance!

Or just make a couple of mistakes to keep it exciting. And don't show the speed of the car with single fast laps.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 13:39

just my $0.02 here. People go racing because they want to compete with others in SIMILAR machinery. However, as racing goes, unless you're in a 1-make series, the best car generally wins. What Hamilton is saying that yes, you need the best car in F1, but its one thing to "dominate" the field by 0.3s (yes, that is dominant in my world) and its a whole other kettle of fish to dominate by over 1s.

 

So yeah. the best car certainly makes your life easier. I would think an ideal scenario for someone like Hamilton is having an EQUAL car with 3 races remaining and a 25 point lead... :-)

 

And please, Webber is so far off his prime right now its pathetic. He peaked in 2010. Been downhill since then. Vettel is a supreme talent. But the car is masking that right now.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 13:39

I can;t see that phrase in the quote or the article.

 

I'm sure you can't, Mr. Disingenuousity.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 20:59

just that Vettel has it easy, and fighting for a victory is the more honerable win . BTW the fact Hamilton joined to mercedes makes your claim about No F1 driver would do it pointless. Maybe the bitter pill is that albeit all his wins & titles many believe, Vettel has had it much too easy  since some years and it's more down to Newey & the car he is dominating current F1. Hamilton is just stating the obvoius, but some use it to have a dig at him  by ignoring the context and his full quotes, because it fits their agenda!

 

Since by posting here and vehemently defending Hamilton means you follow F1 and his career there's no denying you don't know that Hamilton tried to be a Red Bull driver before he became a Mercedes one, so saying that it's others ignoring things to fit an agenda here is the usual hypocrisy..



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 00:08

“Me, I don’t want to be able to be that far ahead, I want to be able to fight with him or whoever,” Hamilton told the Independent.

Hamilton’s Mercedes boss Toto Wolff, however, told France’s L’Equipe that “What Red Bull are doing is the goal we have set for the forthcoming years”.

 

I'm with Toto Wolff on this one.  I don't have anything against Hamilton's problem solving techniques, but this negative narrative has got to go.

 

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 00:47

...

So yeah. the best car certainly makes your life easier. I would think an ideal scenario for someone like Hamilton is having an EQUAL car with 3 races remaining and a 25 point lead... :-)  

I think any driver would take that offer when the season begins.


Edited by Winter98, 26 September 2013 - 00:47.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:51

With words like these, I now understand, why Hamilton is not a champion on the level of his idol Senna.

 

AS loved to dominate the rest of the field, he has 19 start/finish-victories - by far the most of all F1 drivers. He wanted to find the last millisecond every time he stepped into the car. He wanted to annihilate his opposition. That's why he was such a great champion. Maybe Hamilton lacks this kind of motivation.

 

By the way: Senna never got booed for this kind of dominance.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:20

With words like these, I now understand, why Hamilton is not a champion on the level of his idol Senna.

 

AS loved to dominate the rest of the field, he has 19 start/finish-victories - by far the most of all F1 drivers. He wanted to find the last millisecond every time he stepped into the car. He wanted to annihilate his opposition. That's why he was such a great champion. Maybe Hamilton lacks this kind of motivation.

 

By the way: Senna never got booed for this kind of dominance.

I watched senna greatest races when i was a kid and i will tell you that Senna loved close combat races where you beat the competition through grit and sweat not a stroll on a sunday afternoon. I am also not a racing driver and at my age and income will never be...but i do like playing an f1 champion on my playstation or a nascar race and i enjoy close battles and wins. When i beat my friends in such races ther is quite an adrenaline rush. That is why iam bored playing novices ans is no fun. I suppose that is what most gamers like and this is purely anecdotal....that most racing drivers in real f1 racing would prefer close combat wins than a 2 second per lap advantage without even breaking a sweat.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:43

 

 

By the way: Senna never got booed for this kind of dominance.

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How could anyone boo this man!


Edited by sennafan24, 26 September 2013 - 11:43.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:46

With words like these, I now understand, why Hamilton is not a champion on the level of his idol Senna.

 

AS loved to dominate the rest of the field, he has 19 start/finish-victories - by far the most of all F1 drivers. He wanted to find the last millisecond every time he stepped into the car. He wanted to annihilate his opposition. That's why he was such a great champion. Maybe Hamilton lacks this kind of motivation.

 

By the way: Senna never got booed for this kind of dominance.

Senna never had this kind of dominance.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:01

Senna never had this kind of dominance.

You are actually right there, but he also did not enjoy the advantages Vettel had machinery wise. Even in 1988 he had Alain Prost as a teammate, 1990 and 1991 the Ferrari and Williams teams were just as strong as his McLaren as well. 

 

No slight on Seb, there are many double standards about to discredit him, but Senna won titles in much more close contested circumstances.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:13

You are actually right there, but he also did not enjoy the advantages Vettel had machinery wise. Even in 1988 he had Alain Prost as a teammate, 1990 and 1991 the Ferrari and Williams teams were just as strong as his McLaren as well. 

 

No slight on Seb, there are many double standards about to discredit him, but Senna won titles in much more close contested circumstances.

No worries.  I wasn't trying to slight Senna either.   :)

 

I do think part of the reason RBR is so dominant at this point in the season is SV's performance earlier in the year when the RBR was struggling.  By emerging ahead in the WDC, and then winning when the RBR was the best, he had effectively ended the WDC hunt with seven races left, forcing Ferrari and Mercedes' hand into putting their resources towards 2014, rather than trying to compete with RBR this year.

 

Effectively ending the WDC race with seven races to go is an amazing accomplishment considering the RBR was struggling the first part of the season, unlike 2011.


Edited by Winter98, 26 September 2013 - 12:25.