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#1 LionAlex

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:48

Breaking News from Sochi.

 

Russian GP2 team «Russian Time», intends to participate in Formula 1. Russian Time plans to go to start in F1 in 2015, said the team leader Igor Mazepa.

 

http://translate.goo...27/russiantime/

(sorry, only russian)



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#2 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:10

Stop (the press). . .

 

RUSSIAN TIME!

 

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#3 Anja

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:15

Looking at their instant success in GP2 - if they have the money, why not.



#4 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:17

Looking at their instant success in GP2 - if they have the money, why not.

Look at who they took over, it's not like they were a new team. Starting a new team with new facilities and new personnel is a very different thing no matter how much money you have.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:21

Looking at their instant success in GP2 - if they have the money, why not.


Buying an existing group of engineers to run Dallara built cars is very different from creating an F1 team where you have to design and build your own cars.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:23

But still they are the only team on the grid who pays there drivers to race for them instead of them bringing money to the team. So obviously they have a lot of backing from Russia.



#7 LionAlex

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:23

Buying an existing group of engineers to run Dallara built cars is very different from creating an F1 team where you have to design and build your own cars.

Of course, but a lot of engineers left iSport before the season.



#8 nosecone

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:27

isn't Marussia russian? Maybe they will take over Marussia



#9 Jimisgod

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:34

Who will they Putin the seat?



#10 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:36

2015??? Quit Stalin and join the grid already!


Edited by TheUltimateWorrier, 27 September 2013 - 11:37.


#11 LionAlex

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:38

isn't Marussia russian? Maybe they will take over Marussia

Maybe. But maybe both.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:59

But still they are the only team on the grid who pays there drivers to race for them instead of them bringing money to the team. So obviously they have a lot of backing from Russia.

 

A lot? It's only GP2.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:08

You shouldn't underestimate the costs for GP2 teams, they also have a lot of bills to pay. Maybe not F1 amount, but still it's quite expensive to run a GP2 team.


Edited by rjsports, 27 September 2013 - 12:08.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:10

You shouldn't underestimate the costs for GP2 teams, they also have a lot of bills to pay. Maybe not F1 amount, but still it's quite expensive to run a GP2 team.

http://gp2insider.wo...09-gp2-budgets/

 

2009 but that should show how "little" money is involved, especially in F1 terms



#15 LionAlex

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:19

A lot? It's only GP2.

Already GP2 and GP3. Today officially announced.

You shouldn't underestimate the costs for GP2 teams, they also have a lot of bills to pay. Maybe not F1 amount, but still it's quite expensive to run a GP2 team.

Thats why Dr.Marko prefer WSR 3.5.


Edited by LionAlex, 27 September 2013 - 12:22.


#16 Amphicar

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:27

Unless they buy one of the existing teams (Toro Russki maybe) it's difficult to see how they would get an F1 entry. The FIA has not given any indication that it intends to open up F1 to new entrants, as it did when Caterham, Marussia and HRT joined (yes, I know they went by different names back then).



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:42

You shouldn't underestimate the costs for GP2 teams, they also have a lot of bills to pay. Maybe not F1 amount, but still it's quite expensive to run a GP2 team.

 

I wasn't. I was being generous and assuming Russian Time is spending 5million on GP2 and the drivers aren't bringing any money at all. 



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:44

Unless they buy one of the existing teams (Toro Russki maybe) it's difficult to see how they would get an F1 entry. The FIA has not given any indication that it intends to open up F1 to new entrants, as it did when Caterham, Marussia and HRT joined (yes, I know they went by different names back then).

 

I would be very surprised if all of the current teams will still be around in 2015.     I would not surprise me if one or more went bust, opening up a spot on the grid. 

 

I am all in favour of one or more teams being added to the grid, given that they seem to have the backing and some infrastructure in place as well as a Russian GP and possibly two Russian drivers that could get on the grid and the money that that part of the world can bring it makes them a pretty good candidate.

 

F1 needs backmarker teams to blood young drivers.  HRT may have been a joke but it was where Riccardio and Senns cut their teeth.   Bianchi at Marussia is giving him a place to showcase his talents.   McLaren have two very good prospects on their books but are unlikely to throw them in at the deep end.  



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:47

There's a long list of teams 'intending' to join F1, which were then never being heard of again. Where's their money coming from anyway? Apart from a tiny sticker for a Russian sports website, their GP2 car is a rolling billboard for the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics - not exactly a sponsor that's gonna stay for 2014 and beyond, is it?



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#20 rosscamero

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:48

There's a long list of teams 'intending' to join F1, which were then never being heard of again. Where's their money coming from anyway? Apart from a tiny sticker for a Russian sports website, their GP2 car is a rolling billboard for the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics - not exactly a sponsor that's gonna stay for 2014 and beyond, is it?

 

I presume it will then be a billboard for the world cup in 2018 after that.


Edited by rosscamero, 27 September 2013 - 12:53.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:50

I am interest in the process of getting a place on the grid.

 

Let's say Carlos Slim wants his own F1 team.   Money is no object.  He wants it based in Mexico so does not want to buy a current team.   How hard would it for him to achieve an entry on the grid?  Compared to a GP2 who have been around the motor sport world for a fair amount of time and have came into some money which could suppourt a F1 entry.   Let's say Horner wants to break out on his own with Arden. 


Edited by rosscamero, 27 September 2013 - 12:53.


#22 ensign14

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 13:01

They should do very well in F1. After all, they're three hours ahead already.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 13:46

I am interest in the process of getting a place on the grid.

 

Let's say Carlos Slim wants his own F1 team.   Money is no object.  He wants it based in Mexico so does not want to buy a current team.   How hard would it for him to achieve an entry on the grid?  Compared to a GP2 who have been around the motor sport world for a fair amount of time and have came into some money which could suppourt a F1 entry.   Let's say Horner wants to break out on his own with Arden. 

Formula 1 is effectively a closed shop. Other than by buying an existing team, a new team can only join if the FIA decides to open up the field to new entries. This last happened in 2009 ahead of the 2010 season, when the teams now known as Caterham and Marussia (and the short-lived HRT) were chosen from 15 bidders. It only happened that time because of Max Mosley's attempt to reduce costs - the teams originally entered the bidding process thinking that there would be a cap on spending, which (in theory) would have given them some chance to become competitive.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 14:07

Formula 1 is effectively a closed shop. Other than by buying an existing team, a new team can only join if the FIA decides to open up the field to new entries. This last happened in 2009 ahead of the 2010 season, when the teams now known as Caterham and Marussia (and the short-lived HRT) were chosen from 15 bidders. It only happened that time because of Max Mosley's attempt to reduce costs - the teams originally entered the bidding process thinking that there would be a cap on spending, which (in theory) would have given them some chance to become competitive.


The FIA would open up the two spare grid slots today if someone came knocking with enough money. It's only closed while there is no serious interest.


The differences between GP2 teams and F1 backmarkers are massive. Even Marussia and Caterham are pushing $100m, running a few teams in feeder series is minuscule in comparison.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 14:11

The FIA would open up the two spare grid slots today if someone came knocking with enough money. It's only closed while there is no serious interest.


The differences between GP2 teams and F1 backmarkers are massive. Even Marussia and Caterham are pushing $100m, running a few teams in feeder series is minuscule in comparison.

 

I heard on a James Allen podcast that Marussia runs at two million a week.  Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. 



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 14:11

Formula 1 is effectively a closed shop. Other than by buying an existing team, a new team can only join if the FIA decides to open up the field to new entries. This last happened in 2009 ahead of the 2010 season, when the teams now known as Caterham and Marussia (and the short-lived HRT) were chosen from 15 bidders. It only happened that time because of Max Mosley's attempt to reduce costs - the teams originally entered the bidding process thinking that there would be a cap on spending, which (in theory) would have given them some chance to become competitive.

 

So if Audi wanted to be in F1 in 2015 and had a huge budget they would be turned away?



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 14:19

 

The FIA would open up the two spare grid slots today if someone came knocking with enough money. It's only closed while there is no serious interest.

 
I dunno, if they did that it would be bye-bye Caterham and Marussia, and possibly Sauber and Williams as well. Their existence is largely predicated on them being franchise holders who cannot be removed other than by purchase.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 14:55

I'm sure if someone credible (or credibly rich - like a really really wealthy Russian oligarch) pops up at the FIA's door asking to field a brand new F1 team they'll at least open up the process for entries again, if not accept them outright.



#29 Baddoer

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 14:57

They should buy a USF1 team then.



#30 Fastcake

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 15:14

 
I dunno, if they did that it would be bye-bye Caterham and Marussia, and possibly Sauber and Williams as well. Their existence is largely predicated on them being franchise holders who cannot be removed other than by purchase.

 

Bernie may want that, but the FIA aren't joined at the hip with him any more. The FIA get a substantial set fee from all the teams now, so the more teams in F1 the more money comes their way.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 15:30

Looking at their instant success in GP2 - if they have the money, why not.

 

Succeeding in a spec formula is a complete different ball game to Formula One. See also Manor Motorsport (Marussia).

 

I am getting a bit bored of these national teams. First of, Force India, fair enough. Then the failed USF1 team, and now Russia Time? It's slowly turning into A1GP. :lol:



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 16:55

I'm sure if someone credible (or credibly rich - like a really really wealthy Russian oligarch) pops up at the FIA's door asking to field a brand new F1 team they'll at least open up the process for entries again, if not accept them outright.

It would be far simpler to buy one of the existing teams. Toro Rosso has been up for sale almost from the day that Dieter Mateschitz bought it and I'm pretty sure that Genii would love to offload Lotus - and that's without even thinking about Force India and Sauber. There is no prohibition on shifting a team's base to Vladivostok or Mexico City if that''s what the new owner wants to do and as Caterham, Lotus, Force India, Marussia and many other examples demonstrate, changing a team's name is easy enough.

 

So why go through the hassle of starting from scratch and having to go cap-in-hand to the FIA, the other teams and Bernie to get in on the Concorde Agreement when a simple cheque opens all the doors. After all, it was good enough for Renault when they bought Benetton, Honda when they bought BAR,  BMW when they bought Sauber and Mercedes when they bought Brawn GP.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 18:27

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 19:49

Toro Russki maybe

 

Krasnyy Byk :p



#35 turssi

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 22:44

Breaking News from Sochi.

 

Russian GP2 team «Russian Time», intends to participate in Formula 1. Russian Time plans to go to start in F1 in 2015, said the team leader Igor Mazepa.

 

http://translate.goo...27/russiantime/

(sorry, only russian)

 

Will they buy Lotus or just Sauber? Surely not Marussia...



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 09:20

Russian Time has an alliance with Williams.

I'm sure they can make it to the F1 grid and be competitive (like Toro Rosso or something like that), but the circumstances for new F1 teams has to improve. 



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 09:31

They should buy a USF1 team then.

they still have all those junks ... i mean properties left behind by  HRT somewhere in spain. maybe Russki times will buy those.



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 15:10

Who will they Putin the seat?

 

 

2015??? Quit Stalin and join the grid already!

 

:up:

 

With it being a brand new car design, hopefully they can start the season without too many Kremlins!



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:10

The FIA would open up the two spare grid slots today if someone came knocking with enough money. It's only closed while there is no serious interest.


The differences between GP2 teams and F1 backmarkers are massive. Even Marussia and Caterham are pushing $100m, running a few teams in feeder series is minuscule in comparison.

Marussia's budget is smth about $60m, Caterham's one is $120.



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#40 LionAlex

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:12

I heard on a James Allen podcast that Marussia runs at two million a week.  Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. 

Pat said they have only $2m to improve the car per season.



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:58

Buy Sauber



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 07:11

Marussia's budget is smth about $60m, Caterham's one is $120.

 

Yeah...okay. 2013 team budget:

 

Ferrari 245 Mio

McLaren 220 Mio

Red Bull 210 Mio

Mercedes 200 Mio

Williams 120 Mio

Lotus 110 Mio

Torro Rosso 83 Mio

Force India 80 Mio

Sauber 75 Mio

Caterham 72 Mio

Marussia 60 Mio


Edited by spaceace1977, 30 September 2013 - 07:14.


#43 LionAlex

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 08:15

Yeah...okay. 2013 team budget:

 

Ferrari 245 Mio

McLaren 220 Mio

Red Bull 210 Mio

Mercedes 200 Mio

Williams 120 Mio

Lotus 110 Mio

Torro Rosso 83 Mio

Force India 80 Mio

Sauber 75 Mio

Caterham 72 Mio

Marussia 60 Mio

Hm. 

I found that.

Caterham F1 Team
Annual budget: 70.000.000€

Marussia F1 Team
Annual budget: 50.000.000€

 

I don't think it's true. But i think gap is real.

 

By Pat Symonds Marussia had £62m for 2012 (http://www.auto-moto...ld-7436558.html)

Russian sport magazine wrote that «Caterham's budget only $ 10 million less than Williams's one»


Edited by LionAlex, 30 September 2013 - 08:22.


#44 Jimisgod

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 16:21

Lotus behind Williams? I find that hard to believe.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 16:47

Yeah...okay. 2013 team budget:

 

Ferrari 245 Mio

McLaren 220 Mio

Red Bull 210 Mio

Mercedes 200 Mio

Williams 120 Mio

Lotus 110 Mio

Torro Rosso 83 Mio

Force India 80 Mio

Sauber 75 Mio

Caterham 72 Mio

Marussia 60 Mio

That's probably Euro or GBP.

I presume it will then be a billboard for the world cup in 2018 after that.

That would make sense in 2017, maybe late 2016. But 2015?



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 23:07

There's no way Williams are squandering that much cash on what are frequently becoming DOA cars.