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#1 cyrilposthumus

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 16:49

Can anyone help me? I need caracciola's race results (date and car no.). First of all, baden-baden races and tournaments, robert batchari fahrt... and how many races could caracciola won?

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#2 larryd

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 18:54

Buy a book or two ?
 
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#3 scheivlak

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 19:19

HIs autobiography 'Meine Welt'/ 'A Racing Driver's World' includes a result overview (not complete I guess) in an appendix, including those of a number of hillclimbs. No car numbers.

According to his autobiography he won 149 races.

 

You can find quite some information about his results in the 1930s GP era on Leif Snellman's excellent site http://www.kolumbus....ellman/main.htm - if you hadn't found it already.


Edited by scheivlak, 02 October 2013 - 07:01.


#4 Felix Muelas

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 23:11

You have big boots to fill with that alias of yours, "cyrilposthumus"...



#5 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:31

Some results here:

 

http://media.daimler...-0-0-0-0-0.html

 

http://www.racingspo...racciola-D.html

 

http://www.ultimater...hp?uniqid=25027

 

Vince H.



#6 D-Type

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 14:44

Back in the 1920's and 1930's coverage in motor (and motor sporting) magazines was not as comprehensive as now.  And with travel being more difficult it was far more localised.  For example the main British magazines, The Motor, The Autocar and Motor Sport,  focussed on British racing and their French, Italian and German counter parts would have focussed on their national scene.  On the other hand, as motor racing generally had a higher profile we often find that the local and national newspapers covered races more fully than now.  Most research has been carried out by the authors of books so their books are the best information that is readily available.  Any websites will have been based on what is readily available: other websites, modern magazine 'historical' articles, books, original research into contemporary magazines and newspapers. 

Good luck!  Can you please let us know what you find out, particularly errors in what others have published?



#7 P.Dron

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 14:56

Back in the 1920's and 1930's coverage in motor (and motor sporting) magazines was not as comprehensive as now.  And with travel being more difficult it was far more localised.  For example the main British magazines, The Motor, The Autocar and Motor Sport,  focussed on British racing...

 

Up to a point, Lord Copper.



#8 cyrilposthumus

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 17:36

I find more than 200 races he started. But If he won 149 races, I miss 19. (I think so Baden-Baden tournament the missing pieces)

The data are being processed. When I finished, naturally I will post.
(In his autobiography (Mercedes Benz Grand Prix Ace/translated by Charles Meisl) including 130 wons...)

#9 Vitesse2

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 18:17

According to the Daimler Benz Global Media website, he scored four class wins and one second place at Baden-Baden between 1923 and 1929:

 

http://media.daimler...-0-0-0-0-0.html

 

You may find more details in the book by Roland Seiter called "Ein Bugatti brüllt auf, als wolle er zum Mond starten!



#10 Simon Davis

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 12:21

I find more than 200 races he started. But If he won 149 races, I miss 19. (I think so Baden-Baden tournament the missing pieces)

The data are being processed. When I finished, naturally I will post.
(In his autobiography (Mercedes Benz Grand Prix Ace/translated by Charles Meisl) including 130 wons...)

 

I am afraid Caracciola's racing history is not as clear cut as this. The various autobiographies and biographies over the years have tended to only list the events in which he did well. As great a driver as he was, he also tasted a number of retirements and lowly finishes in his entensive career. Apart from the major grand prix and sports car races that most people are aware of, Caracciola competed in a variety of minor events that are less well recorded for the reasons already mentioned. As participants of the Nostalgia Forum will be aware I am currently writing a book about Caracciola. One of the main objectives of this project is to identify as many of the events as possible. This has been an arduous task involving many hours of studying old magazines/newspapers and travelling to various European archives. By the time one includes DNAs and DNSs Caracciola has been involved in many more than 200 events. It should also be borne in mind that the early events such as Baden-Baden were split into separate components eg, hillclimbs, speed trials, reliability runs, technical tests etc. I have now created a sizeable database of Caracciola's races which will of course feature in my book. For this reason I am sure you can appreciate that I do not wish to share this material prior to publication. Going back to the autobiographies I can also confirm that there are some mistakes in the published race details.

 

Roland Seiter was very helpful to me with information about Baden-Baden and he is a very nice guy to boot. However, even his data is limited mainly due to the fact that a lot of material about the Baden-Baden Automobile Tournaments was lost in WW2. Once again, it is possible to fill some of the gaps by researching old German publications.

 

I wish you good luck with your research.


Edited by Simon Davis, 26 December 2013 - 12:32.