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#1 michal2009b

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 19:28

Less than 11 hours until the five red lights go out in Korea. I want to see a repeat of 2010 classic with the same result :D

 

Will Vettel score his fourth win in a row dashing Alonso's remaining title hopes?

How good Mercedes and Grosjean will be compared to Red Bull?
Is Alonso capable of doing anything in the dry?
How good Webber will recover from his 13th grid slot?

And will it be wet or dry tomorrow?

 

Let's begin the discussion.



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#2 fisssssi

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 19:30

Yes.

Not good enough.

No.

4th.

Dry.



#3 Muppetmad

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 19:34

Yes.

Not good enough.

No.

4th.

Dry.

Yeah, pretty much this. Sadly, I'm not convinced this will be a great race - I look forward to being proven wrong, though.



#4 GAZF1nut

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 20:05

What is the weather forecast for the race? 



#5 Longtimefan

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 20:43

This is the first race I wish the BBC were doing live.

 

I could record it and stay in bed :D

 

but as I stream SKY, its impossible for me to record it.  bah!



#6 MikeV1987

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 20:44

Hopefully the rain delays it a bit so I can catch it after my nightshift  :clap:



#7 ClubmanGT

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 20:48

This race will suck, Vettel will power away and then condescendingly imply that his rivals aren't trying again. He'll get away with it too because no one will boo him by virtue of no-one being there. 



#8 Nonesuch

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 20:55

Yes.

Not good enough.

No.

4th.

Dry.

 

Don't get too excited! :lol:

 

Anyway, I don't have high hopes for this track, but behind Vettel there's some possibilities of a few good scraps between Grosjean, the Mercedes duo and perhaps Alonso. Sadly that's probably also what they'll be fighting over, but it is what it is.

 

The first lap should be good for a nice photo with a long-focus lens, though:

 

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#9 Fastcake

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 21:03

This will almost certainly be the last race ever held here, so enjoy it while you can.

 

Unless you don't like the circuit or have no interest in Vettel cruising around at the front, in which case happily wave it goodbye.



#10 Farhannn15

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 21:07

FP2 times suggest that the Mercs and Bulls are very close, but then again no-one really knows how fast the Red Bull can go. If Lewis can get in front of Seb at the beginning there is a chance that either of the Mercs have a good chance at victory.



#11 slmk

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 21:10

GRO and HAM will have to be aggressive at the start and take advantage of the slipstream.

 

If VET is in front by T3, it is game over.

Oh, and for once, rain would be appreciated.



#12 Antonov

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 21:31

I quite like this track. Yes, first sector seems a bit dull, but it really comes alive after.

 

I find the track length very long because it always seems like such a compact little place, a bit like Aida used for the 1994 and 1995 season.

 

The scenery is nice (nature and heavy industry in the distance). One of the more interesting places to me.



#13 AlexS

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 21:44

Me too, i really like the track, and you can get the speed from the cameras. So even if there isn't a fight for 1st place i will enjoy it more.

 

The only thing i don't like is the walls so near it in certain parts. A racing circuit not in a city should only have walls in pitbox.



#14 Nonesuch

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 21:57

The only thing i don't like is the walls so near it in certain parts. A racing circuit not in a city should only have walls in pitbox.

 

The whole project was supposed to include a 'city' around the S3 area, but the Koreans have failed to complete the project to any meaningful degree.

 

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#15 muramasa

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 22:34

What is the weather forecast for the race? 

 

yeongam is expected to remain cloudy with 30% chance of rain throughout the day

 

http://web.kma.go.kr...00000&x=39&y=11

 

 

there's a strip of cloud stretching from typhoon, kind of front formed by warmer and moisture air sent from typhoon.

 

http://www.jma.go.jp...me=201310060730

 

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judging from the expected course of the typhoon, the cloud strip should remain pretty much at the same place, hence above prediction. perhaps, depending on the weather's mood it may possibly rain some time.



#16 Kristian

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 22:34

I like having walls near the circuit; it gives an impression of speed - its not often these days I go 'ooomph'' when I see someone getting lary on the onboards. And it actually punishes drivers who make mistakes. 

 

Actually I don't think its that bad a circuit; there are others I'd rather get rid of (Delhi and Abu Dhabi). 

 

Looking at all the weather forecasts though, it seems it will be a dry race with any rain in the morning. Winds will be high so the track will be dry. Damn, we are so overdue a wet one. 



#17 John Player

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 22:50

I think the circuit is pretty good, i like the walls too. It would be a shame if this would be indeed the last race there.



#18 Callisto

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 22:59

This is the first race I wish the BBC were doing live.
 
I could record it and stay in bed :D
 
but as I stream SKY, its impossible for me to record it.  bah!

Are you watching the full rerun instead?

#19 aray

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:00

so no rain...another boring race... :(



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#20 Gasp

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:04

3hours to go! :clap:  I am hoping Ham and Gro can battle with Vettel somehow. Kimi& Alonso will be there too. It would be nice if some rain comes. I want to see crazy action. Not some boring merry go around. Fingers crossed.



#21 eronrules

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:06

Revised Grid line up ... after applying penalties. the racing line is on the right hand side of the circuit. 
 
1. Vettel (RBR)
                                                         2. L.hamilton (MGP)
 
3. R.Grosjean (lotus)
                                                          4. N.Rosberg (MGP)
 
5. F.Alonso (SF)
                                                          6. F.Massa (SF)
 
7.N.Hulkenberg (Sauber)
                                                          8.E.Gutierez (sauber)
 
9. K.Raikkonen (lotus)
                                                          10. S.perez (Mclaren)
 
11. J.Button (Mclaren)
                                                          12. D.Ricciardo (STR)
 
13. M. Webber (RBR) [P]
                                                          14. A.Sutil (FI)
 
15. P.D.Resta (FI)
                                                           16. J.E.Vergne (STR)
 
17. V.Bottas (Williams)
                                                           18. P.Maldonado (Willams)
 
19. C.Pic (CT)
                                                            20. GVdG (CT)
 
21. M.Chilton (Marrusia)
                                                            22. J.Bianchi (Marussia) [P]
 
does anyone knows where the pole position will be??? i.e left or right hand side???
 
 

 

Q: Mark, what about you? A difficult qualifying for you in a way because you’re thinking of where you’re going to start. I noticed that your speed trap time was about 5km/h up on Sebastian’s.

 

Mark WEBBER: Yeah, we had to take a bit of pace out of the car for quali. Not much but just looking at how we would compromise quali a little bit more for the race. Actually pretty happy with quali. I could be two positions further up but that means I’d be 11th instead of 13th with the penalty. It was a pretty tight quali, as Seb touched on with two Mercs, Seb and myself. It was a good little battle. I think the race will be interesting. Obviously well and truly out of position but we will fight and come back through. ....

 

Q: Interesting DRS here in that you have two successive DRS zones; how much of a threat is that, do you feel?

 

SV: To be honest with you, it largely depends on tomorrow’s conditions, the wind. I think we had a race two years ago where there was a massive head wind. It’s a long straight from turn two down to the hairpin in turn three. Obviously it gives you flexibility to have the DRS zones right after each other, also on two quite long straights so we’ll see. I think you can pick your corner but there’s another straight after that where you could lose the position in case you gained it in the first place, so the same goes for turn one as it does for turn three.

 

Q: Lewis, how much are you looking at the successive DRS zone? Is that going to work in your favour if you hold position after the start?

 

LH: I don’t know. Yeah, you’ve got the long straights; I really don’t know what to expect tomorrow. I’m just going to be pushing as hard as I can to get past Sebastian and to put myself in the best position to fight. Hopefully long run pace is not so bad so let’s hope that’s the case tomorrow. 

 

Q: Mark, we were talking about how you’ve taken pace off the car; is that pace in the corners and how does that affect the car?

 

MW: Well, we didn’t set the car up to be super slow in qualifying but we had to keep an eye on the race so it’s wing level, obviously (gear) ratios, a lot of little things which you try, to have a little bit more of a balanced view of the weekend because we know that I was going to be out of position. Irrespective of if I qualified on pole, I can’t qualify on pole by ten places further ahead than pole because it doesn’t exist, so I knew I was going to be out of position, and I had to factor some of that in so we have done. Yeah, you would like your cake and eat it obviously, have all the downforce on the car for sectors two and three and then have a super super top speed but that’s not possible, in a Formula One car you need to compromise which we have and we’ll come to it tomorrow.

 

Q: Has that changed the strategy as well?

 

MW: Yes.

 

Q: And just to clarify, does that give you a free choice of tyres, because you’re starting outside the top ten?

 

MW: No, it’s a nice penalty actually! You have to start on what you qualified on as well. We’ll do that and we’ll see what we do with the strategy from there, but it might not be too different to everyone else. There’s not many options here.

 

 

 



#22 Kelateboy

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:13

GRO and HAM will have to be aggressive at the start and take advantage of the slipstream.

 

If VET is in front by T3, it is game over.

Oh, and for once, rain would be appreciated.

 

A wet race under the safety car would greatly benefit Sebastian as he would have clear visibility in front. The only drama would be if he spins out or when the crossover period for wet to inters and inters to slicks which they might probably use Webber as the guinea pig. 



#23 Kelateboy

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:17

 

Revised Grid line up ... after applying penalties. the racing line is on the right hand side of the circuit. 
 
does anyone knows where the pole position will be??? i.e left or right hand side???
 
 

 

Pole position will be on the clean side, ie right hand side of the circuit.



#24 kosmos

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 04:14

Hembery backpeddaling from yesterday :rotfl:



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 04:34

If ever there was a track destined for a huge pile-up at the start, this is the one. Every time I see a car on that straight to turn 2 I'm gobsmacked at how little it would take to block the track there.



#26 eronrules

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 04:39

If ever there was a track destined for a huge pile-up at the start, this is the one. Every time I see a car on that straight to turn 2 I'm gobsmacked at how little it would take to block the track there.

nop, korea doesn't even come in the top 5, that would be Nurburgring, followed by Spa, Monza and Canada (i won't mention Monaco, that's not a race track :o )



#27 Kelateboy

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 04:41

RBR mechanics are working on Webber's car, taking off the floor and topping up pressurized air into the system. Grosjean retired in Singapore from the loss of air pressure.



#28 eronrules

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 04:43

The whole project was supposed to include a 'city' around the S3 area, but the Koreans have failed to complete the project to any meaningful degree.

 

U8UYE2U.jpg

Has it even started ???  :lol: also, IIRC there's no harbor/water at the final left hand parabolica, were they supposed to dig a canal or something???



#29 punknhedd

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 04:47

The only thing that stops Vettel from winning this race is a problem with the car or someone else's mistake, unfortunately.



#30 DeLoreanFan

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:02

Will Vettel score his fourth win in a row dashing Alonso's remaining title hopes?

How good Mercedes and Grosjean will be compared to Red Bull?
Is Alonso capable of doing anything in the dry?
How good Webber will recover from his 13th grid slot?

And will it be wet or dry tomorrow?

1)Vettel will finish 2nd.
2)Grosjean or Lotus will win. And Mercedes will drop a little.
3)Alonso will finish 3rd.
4)webber will be in the first 5 or 6.
5)It will be dry.

#31 gm914

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:08

The whole project was supposed to include a 'city' around the S3 area, but the Koreans have failed to complete the project to any meaningful degree.

 

U8UYE2U.jpg

 

Hermann Tilke should retire and buy the racetrack and build his TilkeTown all around it. 

And we should make him live in it. Just him, like.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:16

Formula one coutdown on German TV is brilliant. The most important questions:

 

"What can you learn from a boxing champion?"

ROS: "ehh"

 

"Why do you play table tennis?"

ROS:"To train my quickness/jerks"

"And for what do you need this quickness in F1?"

ROS: "...."

 

Question to the board: Why does a F1 driver need good jerks?


Edited by nosecone, 06 October 2013 - 05:16.


#33 eronrules

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:27

Formula one coutdown on German TV is brilliant. The most important questions:

 

"What can you learn from a boxing champion?"

ROS: "ehh"

 

"Why do you play table tennis?"

ROS:"To train my quickness/jerks"

"And for what do you need this quickness in F1?"

ROS: "...."

 

Question to the board: Why does a F1 driver need good jerks?

to get off  :p



#34 Junky

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:47

F*** is not going to rain...



#35 SamH123

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:49

Ted is destroying the grid walk interviews before they even start lol

"just a word Seb"

 

So he gives a 1 word answer and walks off :lol:



#36 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:51

Just woke up and it was a struggle but this is what F1 does to us :drunk:



#37 Kelateboy

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:54

Ted is destroying the grid walk interviews before they even start lol

"just a word Seb"

 

So he gives a 1 word answer and walks off :lol:

 

He can't be that sharp. I think it was just a coincidence...  :lol:



#38 turssi

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:55

OK, ready for the warm-up lap. Is this the live commentary thread?



#39 Farhannn15

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:55

If not the Mercedes, I want Romain to win for a change



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#40 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:55

nice lil piece there by Sky Sports F1, gave me goosebumps.



#41 kimister

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:55

Gro has a very good chance to win here  :up:



#42 kimister

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:58

Good luck to all drivers  :p  I want a clean but exciting race  :up:



#43 Kelateboy

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:58

Gro has a very good chance to win here  :up:

 

But he needs to make sure that he is ahead of Alonso after Turn 3. The question is can he do that?



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:59

Damn I'm tired. Maybe I'll watch just the start live.



#45 kimister

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 06:00

But he needs to make sure that he is ahead of Alonso after Turn 3. The question is can he do that?

 

Yeah, my suspicion is also that, anyway we will find out in a few minutes  :p



#46 Kelateboy

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 06:00

If Webber stucks behind Ricciardo on primes, he is toasted....



#47 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 06:01

We'll see how the Medium tyre works for Dan Ric



#48 turssi

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 06:02

If Webber stucks behind Ricciardo on primes, he is toasted....

 

A RBR stuck behind a TR? In your dreams...



#49 tmzxaar

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 06:02

Too bad RB are faster than Merc in S1



#50 Massa

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 06:04

MASSA IDIOT