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#1 Timstr11

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:33

http://www.motorspor...s-13100706.html

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#2 superdelphinus

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:36

Merc have denied it though

#3 Timstr11

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:40

They have not denied it.

They said there is nothing to report at this stage.

 

Apparently he made his decision known in Korea.

 

This corroborates with Lauda who said a couple of weeks ago that he asked Ross to stay beyond this year but that he was awaiting an answer from Ross.

 

I think Ross lost appetite with Toto arriving at the team and the affair with the taped conversation where he criticized Brawn and Lauda. Brawn was actually planning to stay beyond this season.



#4 David1976

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:41

Dear oh dear...  Bet's on Lewis returning to McLaren Honda in 2016 anyone?



#5 peroa

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:44

Well, that's Martin's top-news signing right there, or better Honda's...



#6 Timstr11

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:44

Lauda wants Brawn to stay:

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110425



#7 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:44

Lauda wants Brawn to stay at Mercedes F1 team amid speculation

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110425

 

A report in Germany on Monday suggested that Brawn had informed Lauda over the Korean Grand Prix weekend that he was actually quitting Mercedes, and it suggested he could even switch to a role with Honda.

That has been dismissed, however, with Lauda saying that talks with Brawn continue, and he is still hopeful he can be convinced to stay on board for the crucial 2014 campaign.

"I am in negotiations with Ross Brawn," Lauda told German media. "There's no decision on how things will be in the long term.

"That's the situation. And that's been the situation for some time.

 



#8 Vesuvius

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:44

Brawn to McLaren then



#9 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:46

Well, that's Martin's top-news signing right there, or better Honda's...

Not for this thread there's a separate thread for McLaren's tech signings, but not Brawn according to McLaren

 

High-level sources at McLaren have dismissed any talk that Brawn is on his way there.

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110425



#10 keiichi

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:48

Dear oh dear...  Bet's on Lewis returning to McLaren Honda in 2016 anyone?

 

Never say never...

 

Regarding Brawn, either he stays at Merc ou goes to Mclaren. But since there seems to be an impression of him not being that interested in Merc anymore and he and Honda have unfinished business afterall, so I could see him moving to Mclaren.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:49

Dear oh dear...  Bet's on Lewis returning to McLaren Honda in 2016 anyone?

 

If Brawn goes to McLaren - then it could be even sooner than that.... because it was alleged by a few folk ITK that Hamilton's contract states that Brawn must be boss. I.e. the whole project was sold to Hamilton on the premise that he would build a WDC charge, with the new 2014 rules, under the guidance and protection of Brawn.

 

I guess it'll be a case of seeing how next years car, and team performance goes..........



#12 Timstr11

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:52

The Mercedes board and Lauda want him to stay. That's the majority of shareholders.

Hope he stays.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:54

The Mercedes board and Lauda want him to stay. That's the majority of shareholders.

Hope he stays.

I doubt it, it's either him or Toto and we know the latter won't go anywhere.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:56

When Brawn leaves Mercedes, he'll leave F1.  He's got nothing to prove and has a large enough pension fund to never worry about working again.

 

http://cars.uk.msn.c...ich-list?page=5

 

 

2013 Sunday Times motoring Rich List

777th richest person in Britain - Ross Brawn £100m

 



#15 Anonymous

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:59

When Brawn leaves Mercedes, he'll leave F1.

 

Yeah right :rotfl:



#16 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:07

Wasn't there a story about a swap with Williams? Wolff to Merc and Brawn to Williams.



#17 SanDiegoGo

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:18

Brawn to McLaren then

 Nope.



#18 kosmos

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:36

Come home Ross.

#19 Amphicar

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:40

Come home Ross.

Indeed - RB to Ferrari to replace the woeful Stefano as TP and prepare the ground for Vettel (and Newey?) in 2015 or whenever - so history can repeat itself. Seven (or more) titles for SV will be a formality. Well, it's a nice dream anyway!


Edited by Amphicar, 07 October 2013 - 11:41.


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#20 ArkZ

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:44

Indeed - RB to Ferrari to replace the woeful Stefano as TP and prepare the ground for Vettel (and Newey?) in 2015 or whenever - so history can repeat itself. Seven (or more) titles for SV will be a formality. Well, it's a nice dream anyway!

That would be great but without Newey/Vettel part. Ross would make great asset with Byrne, Allison, Fry , Alonso and Raikkonen what a team that would be!



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:53

Brawn, now 58, has been in and out of F1 since the 1980s. If wants to do something different, now is as good a time as any as he still has a good number of productive years in front of him. I often think it's somewhat sad to see the heroes of the past linger on a few years too long, but perhaps Brawn thinks he still has a lot to give. If so, good for him, and I'll wish him the best of luck. :up:

 

It'll be interesting to see how this rumoured exit from Mercedes will influence Hamilton. He seemed to be quite fond of the prospect of working with Brawn when he signed with the team last year.


Edited by Nonesuch, 07 October 2013 - 11:54.


#22 Shiroo

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:01

You heard it first:

 

Brawn to Lotus to replace Boullier



#23 Timstr11

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:12

I doubt it, it's either him or Toto and we know the latter won't go anywhere.

 

As Chairman, Lauda represents the interests of Daimler GmbH, the largest shareholder.

Lauda himself has a 10% stake. Together, that's the majority of the shareholders, so my conclusion is that the majority wants Brawn to stay in his role.

And BTW, it's Brawn or Lowe (not Brawn or Toto).

The role that is (overseeing technical and sporting operations).

Toto will the commercial guy.


Edited by Timstr11, 07 October 2013 - 12:19.


#24 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:26

A bit off-topic, but wasn't part of Hamilton's Mercedes deal/signing the assurance that Brawn would be around for a couple of years to come?



#25 Jon83

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:29

Someone on that live F1 show a few months back suggested Brawn to McLaren.



#26 Gorma

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:30

A bit off-topic, but wasn't part of Hamilton's Mercedes deal/signing the assurance that Brawn would be around for a couple of years to come?

I seriously doubt that.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:35



I seriously doubt that.

Maybe not contractual per se, but when Hamilton signed there were lots of articles about this and quotes form Lewis himself:

 

Lewis Hamilton believes Ross Brawn will stay at the Mercedes Formula 1 squad, having been personally assured of the team principal's long-term commitment

"I've been assured by Ross that his commitment is for the long term and he's here to try and win with me. That reassures me and gives me a positive feeling going forward."

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105255

 

and

 

Hamilton maintains that at the start of his three-year deal he has been given assurances by team principal Ross Brawn as to the 58-year-old's future with the Brackley-based marque.
 


Edited by F.M., 07 October 2013 - 12:38.


#28 EthanM

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:12

Maybe not contractual per se

 

Well a verbal assurance isn't worth the paper it's written on ;)



#29 eronrules

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:27

thinking rationally ...

 

1. Ross Brawn isn't a 'TOP TECH GUY', not anymore, he is a very very good management guy who has vast experience in running a team, i.e Team Principal

 

2. If, and a big if, he decides to leave mercedes, and decides to stay in F1, it's more likely we'll see him either at Ferrari, or at williams as a TP

 

mclaren already has Twitmarsh and Co. if they want 'tech signing' it'll be a guy who is good with the car development, might be from RBR or SF (which acc. to Ted is Pat fry). they don't need Ross's TP experience, they have that already

 

it'll make more sense for RB to buy into Williams, or return to SF, i think the later has a higher possibility as LDM and Co. are on a crusade to bolster Tech and organisational lineup and return of RB will be welcomed by maranello.

 

also, RB could buy into Williams, where he worked before (IIRC) and a team that can benefit from his insight. Williams, in terms of infrastructure isn't a bad team at all, they need the right people at the right place. and Brawn (if he wants) can help the team to claw it's place back to atleast top midfield.

 

or ... he might decide to call it a day and go fishin ... he already has the millions he got from selling Brawn to MGP ... what else does he cares for??? 



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:30

I would like to see brawn stay, but if Lowe can get the team wins, I don't care who sits on that silly box in pitlane.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:34

What about RB to RBR replacing Horner who then succeeds Bernie? ... just a thought



#32 Gorma

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:41

Come home Ross.

Williams?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:41

What about RB to RBR replacing Horner who then succeeds Bernie? ... just a thought

C.Horner isn't Old and Senile enough to rule FOM ... yet  :p



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:43

Williams?

or Enstone ... where he got his first taste of WDCs


Edited by eronrules, 07 October 2013 - 13:45.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:49


or ... he might decide to call it a day and go fishin ... he already has the millions he got from selling Brawn to MGP ... what else does he cares for??? 

Weren't those largely the same millions that he supposedly was due to pay to Honda for getting a 1 billion dollar investment and slap his name on it?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 13:58

With all the hype around Merc's holy grail 2014 I would be baffled if Brawn didn't stick around for 2014. 



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 14:02

I also think that Brawn may be calling Mercs bluff.......

#38 eronrules

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 14:02

Weren't those largely the same millions that he supposedly was due to pay to Honda for getting a 1 billion dollar investment and slap his name on it?

a bit OT but ...

 

 

 

Honda Motor Company slipped out of Formula 1 this week, selling its factory team to Ross Brawn, who had been the Honda F1 Racing team principal. The deal cost the company some $200mUS, including fixed assets (leased land, buildings and equipment), a year's salary for the 700 staffers, plus the writing off of the debts owed Honda Motor Co. by the British-based racing team.

In addition, Honda paid Brawn GP the amount of money it would have had to pay Brawn and lead driver Jenson Button to cancel their contracts, both held by the automaker. A further $40mUS has been deposited with Brawn GP to pay back television revenues owed Honda F1 by Bernie Ecclestone's Formula One Management.

more on how Brawn and fry were paid for by HONDA and earnings ... read

 

http://adamcooperf1....profit-in-2009/

 

and regarding the sales  :drunk:

 

http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2h2pp9uRX 

 

 

Ross Brawn stands to make £100million profit in 12 months after Mercedez-Benz announced they are taking over the Brawn GP Formula One team.

 

Team principal Brawn, who paid Honda just one euro for the team a year ago, will remain in his role.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 14:19

Well, that's Martin's top-news signing right there, or better Honda's...

 

That doesn't make me any more optimistic for McLaren.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 15:14

Dear oh dear...  Bet's on Lewis returning to McLaren Honda in 2016 anyone?

 

He won't move back as long as Whitmarsh is TP. 



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 15:14

Williams?Hmm, okay.



#42 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 15:19

I can't see Brawn leaving just as MB is really getting close to being one the best in the sport.
A note to Ross, if you are thinking of retiring at 58, don't, I retired at 57 and am now bored and ready to get back in the biz. Yes, I've had some consultant gigs, but it's just not the same and having a salaried position.

#43 HoldenRT

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 15:27

Newey/Horner/Vettel/Marko and 50 engineers to Ferrari in 2015. :lol:



#44 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 15:42

Was fishing with Ross a few weeks back nice chap, let me use his fishing deck! Anyway.... He spoke fondly of Williams and how sad it is to see them back at the front

#45 Cool Beans

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 15:56

Ross came by about three weeks ago to borrow my brand new fishing deck. Never returned it, the bastard. Probably showing off with it to random forumers.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 16:03

Mercedes is retarded for letting all of this happen.  Ross Brawn is the man they should leave in charge.

 

Toto Wolff is a distraction, not sure what the heck he brings to Mercedes.  I would be happy to see him go.

 

Paddy Lowe seems like a nice guy, but he doesn't seem to be a strong personality and he comes from the Whitmarsh era of McLaren... he isn't the person I would want to run the team.  He should remain in the tech department.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 16:12

Ross came by about three weeks ago to borrow my brand new fishing deck. Never returned it, the bastard. Probably showing off with it to random forumers.


My mate Nathans' brother built it, http://www.concretelinepumping.co.uk so unless your names Chris Brown you're not having your concrete back lol

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 17:52

My mate Nathans' brother built it, http://www.concretelinepumping.co.uk so unless your names Chris Brown you're not having your concrete back lol

 

He came with a huge crane and a barge. He was very insistent.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 14:16

You heard it first:

 

Brawn to Lotus to replace Boullier

 Brawn to replace a frenchmen at the helm of a french Renault car team?

 

But then again, it would mean Brawn heading back to Benetton. He can give a call to MS and tell him to rejoin as well. Why not.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 14:30

Mercedes is retarded for letting all of this happen.  Ross Brawn is the man they should leave in charge.

 

Toto Wolff is a distraction, not sure what the heck he brings to Mercedes.  I would be happy to see him go.

 

Paddy Lowe seems like a nice guy, but he doesn't seem to be a strong personality and he comes from the Whitmarsh era of McLaren... he isn't the person I would want to run the team.  He should remain in the tech department.

I agree with all of the above points. Neither Wolff nor Lowe are team principal caliber people.

 

Furthermore, I am appalled that a company of Daimler's stature cannot keep this type of news in-house as part of whatever contracts/additional paperwork the team's staff has to sign. Even if this "leak" is part of an internal power struggle, it does nothing but harm the company's image.