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#1 Alfisti

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 17:44

Not a typo for once, more a homage to my bogan buddies. 

 

Smells like controversy this year with the new manufacturers asking "how the hell can we keep up when you've had 20 years to develop your cars" and the Holden camp (does Ford even still participate??) saying "we've invested gazillions in this series and we're not running hobbled so you can keep up". 

 

TBH I do tend to side with Holden and Ford just because it's such a mess trying to even up cars that are not even and they have been great supporters of the series. Let's forget Merc who really are a backyard job and talk about Nissan, I mean really with their factory money they should be able to get the engine sorted sooner rather than later. 

 

Nissan claiming that even though all participants have been forced to make 7 stops (what a silly, silly rule) they will still be at a massive disadvantage as they need to carry more fuel in each stint. 



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#2 Alfisti

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 22:29

Bump cos the aussies should be at work by now.

Edited by Alfisti, 07 October 2013 - 22:29.


#3 Ian G

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 22:59

Nissan claiming that even though all participants have been forced to make 7 stops (what a silly, silly rule) they will still be at a massive disadvantage as they need to carry more fuel in each stint. 

 

I think that may be a ploy,Merc. & Nissan have been aiming for this race all season and should at least be in the top Ten.

 

...by the way its pronounced "Barthurst",don't you watch Top Gear..... :lol:  



#4 krapmeister

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 23:44

Considering the amount of whining we are getting from Team Kelly/Nissan perhaps it should be pronounced 'Butthurts' :lol:



#5 chumma

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 00:19

V8 Thupercars still exists? Serious note though, the series is dwindling and it wouldn't surprise me if the Mercs and Nissans disappear, Volvo probably regret committing and the series will need to reinvent itself (not this COTF crap) completely for it to survive. I will watch 'some' of Bathurst though, but it has definitely lost its 'magic' that it used to have that drew me to the telly all day Sunday.



#6 mongo580

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:07

Let's go back to Group C and Group A racing of the 70s and 80s!



#7 teejay

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:39

Attendance numbers say you are wrong chumma.

 

This and Japanese grand prix = Sunday sorted.

 

Go Craig, anyone but Jamie really.



#8 Brother Fox

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:00

The twisted child inside me wants to see Nissan take the win just for the crowd reaction :)



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:42

V8 Thupercars still exists? Serious note though, the series is dwindling and it wouldn't surprise me if the Mercs and Nissans disappear, Volvo probably regret committing and the series will need to reinvent itself (not this COTF crap) completely for it to survive. I will watch 'some' of Bathurst though, but it has definitely lost its 'magic' that it used to have that drew me to the telly all day Sunday.

 

You ask wether it still exists then you continue on to say its dwindling and will dissapear? if you actually watched the series you would realise its actually going pretty good this year! Nissan and merc are actually competitive, but the field is so tight that being in the top 10 is very hard.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:53

Well tbh I have had little interest in the series this year but part of that is purely not having the time to watch. Bathurst though will be the exception - I just love this race! Looking forward to sitting in front of the telly consuming beer/snacks and then following it up with the Japanese GP :up:

 

Gonna be tears from the daughter because she can't watch Peppa Pig but stuff it she can go without ABC 4 kids for one day a year :p I might have to talk the missus into heading over to the in-laws with the kids for the day/evening so I can get my racing in peace :clap:


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 22:50

Apologies for apparently killing this thread :p

 

At the hope of kickstarting it again I thought some of you might appreciate this blog by John Birmingham: 

 

Die screaming, worthless Holden nerds. Kneel before your betters, lowly Ford losers. For this is the last occasion on which you shall rule the so-called mountain. Take what meagre and pitiable consolation you might from this weekend’s Bathurst 1000.

Come 2014 the V8 Supercar Series will return to its rightful owners.

 

Volvo.

 

MwahaHAHA!

 

Scoff all you like, bogan refuse!

 

You shall soon be choking on the dust thrown up by our boxy but undeniably safer rear end. For too long now this nation has been riven by a phoney war between the mouth-breathing yahoos of one American corporate subsidiary and the knuckle dragging munters of another US colonial possession.

Prepare to feel the wrath of your one true Nordic God, as he or she rides down upon you in a sensible yet undeniably stylish European sedan. Ignore the Chinese parent company! They are but a source of gold to stoke the furnace of our insatiable drive to put you in your place.

For years now you worthless vermin have mocked and even pitied your one true road master, the Driver of the Volvo. For years, safe in our superiority, we have allowed you to play at the grown up business of driving automobiles at a sufficient speed to accomplish the end goal of reaching a desired destination at an appropriate time, but your arrogance, your self-regard, your lack of respect and your terrible manners have convinced us that perhaps we have been too lenient. Indulgent, even.

 

Now cometh the lesson.

 

The flag will fall, the engines will roar, and we will accelerate at an appropriate pace given the traffic and road surface conditions and you will sit, as is only reasonable, somewhere behind us, for as many hours as it takes to complete the 1000km circuit in a reasonably timely fashion without undue risk to the other road race users.

 

Do not imagine that your usual shenanigans of punching some poor innocent dashboard and grunting the same tired old insults will make any difference. When we of Volvo have finished with you and your sad little race you will know your place; trapped behind us, maintaining a sensible pace which conserves fuel while allowing the driver ample time to react to any untoward developments on the track.

 

We shall start slowly, as is our wont, but before long the very Mountain of Panorama shall groan beneath our wheels.

 

For we are Volvo.

 

And we are legion.

 

 

:lol:


Edited by krapmeister, 09 October 2013 - 23:12.


#12 Brother Fox

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 23:09

:lol:

 

Apologies for apparently killing this thread :p

 

You didnt kill it, we're treating it like an enduro - bit of a flurry at the start, but now we've settled into a good conservative pace to assess where we're at knowing theres a long way to go



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:11

Will the Volvo drivers need to wear a helmet, or will a hat suffice?



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:14

Glorious Morning up here. But some of my Sydney friends are a little worried about the forecast frost on Saturday morning
 
 
 
Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL   Laps   Fastest...Lap        Gap
 
1   888  Red Bull Racing Australia      Craig Lowndes            Holden Commodore VF  5000         16    13 2:10.1021* 
2     5  Pepsi Max Crew FPR Ford        Mark Winterbottom        Ford Falcon FG       5000         13    11 2:10.2767  0:00.1746
3     8  Team BOC                       J.Bright/A.Jones         Holden Commodore VF  5000         14    11 2:10.3569  0:00.2548
4    55  The Bottle-O FPR Ford          David Reynolds           Ford Falcon FG       5000         15     8 2:10.3828  0:00.2807
5     1  Red Bull Racing Australia      Jamie Whincup            Holden Commodore VF  5000         16    13 2:10.5640  0:00.4619
6     6  Pepsi Max Crew FPR Ford        Will Davison             Ford Falcon FG       5000         14    10 2:10.6310  0:00.5289
7   360  Norton Hornets                 James Moffat             Nissan Altima        5000         14    13 2:10.6889  0:00.5868
8    88  Dodo Insurance Racing          D.Fiore/M.Halliday       Holden Commodore VF  5000         14    11 2:10.6905  0:00.5884
9    47  Heavy Haulage Australia Racing T.Slade/A.Thompson       Mercedes E63 AMG     5000         14     7 2:10.7169  0:00.6148
10   33  Fujitsu Racing GRM             S.McLaughlin/J.Perkins   Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    10 2:10.7212  0:00.6191
11    4  Irwin Racing                   L.Holdsworth/C.Baird     Mercedes E63 AMG     5000         14     8 2:10.8609  0:00.7588
12   10  XBOX ONE Racing                Andy Priaulx             Holden Commodore VF  5000         18    16 2:10.9728  0:00.8707
13   97  TEKNO team VIP Petfoods        S.Van Gisbergen/        
                                        J.Bleekemolen            Holden Commodore VF  5000         16    11 2:10.9977  0:00.8956
14   17  Wilson Security Racing         Chaz Mostert             Ford Falcon FG       5000         14    11 2:11.1025  0:01.0004
15    3  Team HIFLEX                    Tony D'Alberto           Holden Commodore VF  5000         12    12 2:11.1194  0:01.0173
16    2  Holden Racing Team             Garth Tander             Holden Commodore VF  5000         12     7 2:11.1406  0:01.0385
17   34  Fujitsu Racing GRM             A.Premat/G.Ritter        Holden Commodore VF  5000         14    12 2:11.2423  0:01.1402
18   14  Lockwood Racing                Fabian Coulthard         Holden Commodore VF  5000         15     7 2:11.4321  0:01.3300
19  300  Norton Hornets                 Michael Caruso           Nissan Altima        5000         10     9 2:11.4626  0:01.3605
20   18  Jeld-wen FPR Ford              Alex Davison             Ford Falcon FG       5000         14    14 2:11.6330  0:01.5309
21   80  Sargent Security Racing        S.Pye/P.Morris           Holden Commodore VF  5000         16     8 2:11.6365  0:01.5344
22   22  Holden Racing Team             James Courtney           Holden Commodore VF  5000         12     6 2:11.6742  0:01.5721
23   19  TEKNO team Darrell Lea         J.Webb/M.Lieb            Holden Commodore VF  5000         15     9 2:11.8059  0:01.7038
24   12  Wilson Security Racing         Tim Blanchard            Ford Falcon FG       5000         15     9 2:11.9393  0:01.8372
25    7  Jack Daniel's Racing           T.Kelly/D.Russell        Nissan Altima        5000         14    10 2:12.0850  0:01.9829
26   66  Supercheap Auto Racing         R.Ingall/R.Briscoe       Holden Commodore VF  5000          9     3 2:12.4682  0:02.3661
27   15  Jack Daniel's Racing           Rick Kelly               Nissan Altima        5000         13    12 2:12.5138  0:02.4117
28   21  Wilson Security Racing         David Wall               Holden Commodore VF  5000         16    12 2:12.5859  0:02.4838
29    9  SP Tools Racing                Maro Engel               Mercedes E63 AMG     5000         17    15 2:12.7221  0:02.6200


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:44

Will the Volvo drivers need to wear a helmet, or will a hat suffice?

 

A bowling hat and very large, dark fit-over sunglasses are compulsory...



#16 Brother Fox

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:53

God I hope they name their cars - like Mavis, Ethel, Royce or Clarry



#17 Alfisti

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:58

Ironically volvo make some pretty nasty cars over here, the t5 and t6 engines are beasts. I also reakon they make some nice cars, though the front end of the s60 is a bit weird. The xc60 is the only cuv I can look at.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:12

Oh yeah Volvo cars these days are a far cry from what they once were - tbh easily better looking than a lot of cars going around.

 

Still going to be a little while before they totally get rid of the Volvo stigma though - as has been illustrated here... :p



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:14

God I hope they name their cars - like Mavis, Ethel, Royce or Clarry

I hope they bring back Robbie Francevic!



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#20 Alfisti

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:30

They are literally one if the last makes left that still make a wagon here, everyone else has stopped.

#21 Brother Fox

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:47

Still going to be a little while before they totally get rid of the Volvo stigma though - as has been illustrated here... :p

 

No doubt thats playing a big part in their decision to become 'blokey race cars'.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:14

V8SC practice 2

 

 

 

 
1     5  Pepsi Max Crew FPR Ford        Steven Richards          Ford Falcon FG       5000         14    13 2:10.5531* 
2     1  Red Bull Racing Australia      Paul Dumbrell            Holden Commodore VF  5000         10     7 2:10.9692  0:00.4161
3   888  Red Bull Racing Australia      Warren Luff              Holden Commodore VF  5000         14     6 2:11.0196  0:00.4665
4     9  SP Tools Racing                Steven Johnson           Mercedes E63 AMG     5000         11    11 2:11.2905  0:00.7374
5   360  Norton Hornets                 Taz Douglas              Nissan Altima        5000         12     9 2:11.4141  0:00.8610
6     4  Irwin Racing                   Craig Baird              Mercedes E63 AMG     5000         13    11 2:11.4941  0:00.9410
7    10  XBOX ONE Racing                Mattias Ekstrom          Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    13 2:11.5488  0:00.9957
8     7  Jack Daniel's Racing           David Russell            Nissan Altima        5000         12    12 2:11.7921  0:01.2390
9    80  Sargent Security Racing        Paul Morris              Holden Commodore VF  5000         12     9 2:11.8116  0:01.2585
10    6  Pepsi Max Crew FPR Ford        Steve Owen               Ford Falcon FG       5000         12    12 2:11.8303  0:01.2772
11   88  Dodo Insurance Racing          Matthew Halliday         Holden Commodore VF  5000         12    10 2:11.8714  0:01.3183
12    8  Team BOC                       Andrew Jones             Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    13 2:12.0125  0:01.4594
13   21  Wilson Security Racing         Chris Pither             Holden Commodore VF  5000         14    14 2:12.0562  0:01.5031
14   55  The Bottle-O FPR Ford          Dean Canto               Ford Falcon FG       5000         13    13 2:12.0651  0:01.5120
15   18  Jeld-wen FPR Ford              John McIntyre            Ford Falcon FG       5000         12    12 2:12.1637  0:01.6106
16   17  Wilson Security Racing         Dale Wood                Ford Falcon FG       5000         11     9 2:12.1920  0:01.6389
17   34  Fujitsu Racing GRM             Greg Ritter              Holden Commodore VF  5000         11     5 2:12.2532  0:01.7001
18   22  Holden Racing Team             Greg Murphy              Holden Commodore VF  5000         12    11 2:12.4780  0:01.9249
19   33  Fujitsu Racing GRM             Jack Perkins             Holden Commodore VF  5000         11     6 2:12.5271  0:01.9740
20   97  TEKNO team VIP Petfoods        Jeroen Bleekemolen       Holden Commodore VF  5000         14    14 2:12.5477  0:01.9946
21   14  Lockwood Racing                Luke Youlden             Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    13 2:12.5908  0:02.0377
22    2  Holden Racing Team             Nick Percat              Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    12 2:12.6727  0:02.1196
23  300  Norton Hornets                 Daniel Gaunt             Nissan Altima        5000         12    12 2:12.9489  0:02.3958
24   47  Heavy Haulage Australia Racing Andrew Thompson          Mercedes E63 AMG     5000          2     2 2:13.0915  0:02.5384
25   15  Jack Daniel's Racing           Karl Reindler            Nissan Altima        5000         12    12 2:13.3974  0:02.8443
26   19  TEKNO team Darrell Lea         Marc Lieb                Holden Commodore VF  5000         15    14 2:13.4970  0:02.9439
27   66  Supercheap Auto Racing         Ryan Briscoe             Holden Commodore VF  5000         12    12 2:13.6329  0:03.0798
28   12  Wilson Security Racing         Ashley Walsh             Ford Falcon FG       5000         11     6 2:13.7964  0:03.2433
29    3  Team HIFLEX                    Jonny Reid               Holden Commodore VF  5000          8     8 2:13.8152  0:03.2621


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:15

Practice 3 V8SC

 

1     1  Red Bull Racing Australia      J.Whincup/P.Dumbrell     Holden Commodore VF  5000         11    10 2:08.3240* 
2     5  Pepsi Max Crew FPR Ford        Mark Winterbottom        Ford Falcon FG       5000         10     9 2:09.0533  0:00.7293
3    55  The Bottle-O FPR Ford          D.Reynolds/D.Canto       Ford Falcon FG       5000         13    11 2:09.3292  0:01.0052
4     6  Pepsi Max Crew FPR Ford        Will Davison             Ford Falcon FG       5000         14    13 2:09.3548  0:01.0308
5    97  TEKNO team VIP Petfoods        Shane Van Gisbergen      Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    12 2:09.3665  0:01.0425
6     8  Team BOC                       Jason Bright             Holden Commodore VF  5000          7     7 2:09.5468  0:01.2228
7     4  Irwin Racing                   Lee Holdsworth           Mercedes E63 AMG     5000         13    11 2:09.6406  0:01.3166
8    14  Lockwood Racing                Fabian Coulthard         Holden Commodore VF  5000         12    11 2:09.7805  0:01.4565
9    33  Fujitsu Racing GRM             Scott McLaughlin         Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    12 2:09.8811  0:01.5571
10   17  Wilson Security Racing         Chaz Mostert             Ford Falcon FG       5000         12    10 2:09.8831  0:01.5591
11   34  Fujitsu Racing GRM             Alexandre Premat         Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    11 2:09.9198  0:01.5958
12   21  Wilson Security Racing         David Wall               Holden Commodore VF  5000         14     8 2:09.9583  0:01.6343
13   22  Holden Racing Team             J.Courtney/G.Murphy      Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    10 2:10.0866  0:01.7626
14    3  Team HIFLEX                    Tony D'Alberto           Holden Commodore VF  5000         12    11 2:10.2792  0:01.9552
15    2  Holden Racing Team             Garth Tander             Holden Commodore VF  5000         12     8 2:10.3405  0:02.0165
16  300  Norton Hornets                 Michael Caruso           Nissan Altima        5000         10     6 2:10.3930  0:02.0690
17  888  Red Bull Racing Australia      C.Lowndes/W.Luff         Holden Commodore VF  5000         10     9 2:10.4230  0:02.0990
18   12  Wilson Security Racing         Tim Blanchard            Ford Falcon FG       5000         13    13 2:10.4995  0:02.1755
19   88  Dodo Insurance Racing          Dean Fiore               Holden Commodore VF  5000         10     8 2:10.6018  0:02.2778
20   80  Sargent Security Racing        Scott Pye                Holden Commodore VF  5000          8     7 2:10.6393  0:02.3153
21  360  Norton Hornets                 James Moffat             Nissan Altima        5000         10     8 2:10.7456  0:02.4216
22   15  Jack Daniel's Racing           Rick Kelly               Nissan Altima        5000         13     6 2:10.9340  0:02.6100
23   66  Supercheap Auto Racing         Russell Ingall           Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    11 2:11.1236  0:02.7996
24   10  XBOX ONE Racing                A.Priaulx/M.Ekstrom      Holden Commodore VF  5000         14    14 2:11.2431  0:02.9191
25   19  TEKNO team Darrell Lea         J.Webb/M.Lieb            Holden Commodore VF  5000         13    11 2:11.4405  0:03.1165
26   47  Heavy Haulage Australia Racing Tim Slade                Mercedes E63 AMG     5000          2     2 2:11.4588  0:03.1348
27    9  SP Tools Racing                Maro Engel               Mercedes E63 AMG     5000         14    13 2:11.5287  0:03.2047
28    7  Jack Daniel's Racing           Todd Kelly               Nissan Altima        5000          6     6 2:11.8446  0:03.5206
29   18  Jeld-wen FPR Ford              A.Davison/J.McIntyre     Ford Falcon FG       5000          4     2 2:11.8797  0:03.5557


#24 wonk123

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:19

Interestingly the times from the Dunlop cars was only marginally slower! I have been wanting them to combine both classes for the 1000km race, even if the dunlop guys only did 1 hour and then stopped. I think they would need to be slowed a little, as Jack Perkins was quicker in the dunlop car than COTF

 

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Practice 2 times

 

1    54  Eggleston Motorsport           Jack Perkins             Holden Commodore VE  5000         12    10 2:09.6779* 
2    26  GB Galvanizing/Wilson Security Dale Wood                Ford Falcon FG       5000         12     9 2:09.7927  0:00.1148
3    99  Sherrin Rentals                Steve Owen               Ford Falson FG       5000         12     9 2:10.0969  0:00.4190
4    20  Biante Modle Cars              Andrew Jones             Holden Commodore VE2 5000         13    11 2:10.8775  0:01.1996
5    87  Infants Friend                 Ashley Walsh             Ford Falcon FG       5000         12    11 2:11.0844  0:01.4065
6    49  Image Racing/Arvo              Taz Douglas              Ford Falcon FG       5000          8     6 2:11.2974  0:01.6195
7    48  R&J Batteries/NDD              Geoff Emery              Holden Commodore VE2 5000         13    11 2:11.4139  0:01.7360
8    67  Sargent Security Racing        Paul Morris              Holden Commodore VE2 5000         13    10 2:11.5695  0:01.8916
9    27  Triple Eight Race Engineering  Casey Stoner             Holden Commodore VE2 5000         13     9 2:11.6471  0:01.9692
10   58  Go Karts Go                    Drew Russell             Ford Falcon FG       5000         12     9 2:11.7709  0:02.0930
11   98  Linde Material Handling-Enzed  Cameron Waters           Holden Commodore VE2 5000         13    11 2:11.9085  0:02.2306
12   35  I Seek                         George Miedecke          Ford Falcon FG       5000         12    11 2:11.9629  0:02.2850
13   59  CEG Rentals/Go-Karts-Go        Aaren Russell            Ford Falcon FG       5000          6     5 2:12.1184  0:02.4405
14   64  Finance Ezi Racing             Andre Heimgartner        Ford Falcon FG       5000         13     5 2:12.2296  0:02.5517
15  999  Rodney Jane Racing/Sonic       Gary Jacobson            Ford Falcon FG       5000         13    10 2:12.5299  0:02.8520
16   42  Icebreak Racing                Chris Pither             Holden Commodore VE2 5000         13     6 2:12.6372  0:02.9593
17   30  Tony Dlberto Racing            Nick McBride             Ford Falcon FG       5000         12    11 2:12.7301  0:03.0522
18   31  Ozstaff Racing                 Kristian Lindbom         Ford Falcon FG       5000         12    10 2:12.7813  0:03.1034
19  777  Rodney Jane Racing/Sonic       Rodney Jane              Ford Falcon FG       5000         13    11 2:12.8596  0:03.1817
20   28  Haber Excavation/MiraFlores    Morgan Haber             Ford Falcon FG       5000         12     9 2:13.1866  0:03.5087
21   43  Blackchrome Sports & Workwear  Sam Walter               Holden Commodore VE2 5000         13    10 2:13.2871  0:03.6092
22   44  Finance Ezi Racing             Josh Hunter              Ford Falocon FG      5000         12     5 2:13.6030  0:03.9251
23   11  Schweppes Aust/Rev Trans WA    Brett Hobson             Holden Commodore VE2 5000         14    10 2:13.8774  0:04.1995
24   71  Action Racing                  Marcus Zukanovic         Holden Commodore VE  5000         11     6 2:13.9490  0:04.2711
25   60  Gulf Western Oil               Michael Hector           Ford Falcon FG       5000         13    12 2:15.0953  0:05.4174
26   62  Warrin Mining Volvo Constructi Adam Wallis              Holden Commodore VE  5000         12     7 2:15.3576  0:05.6797
27   32  Alphabet Financial Services    Josh Kean                Holden Commodore VE2 5000         11     6 2:16.5741  0:06.8962
28   73  Formula Tech/Interquip Racing  Brett Stewart            Holden Commodore VE  5000         12    11 2:18.3313  0:08.6534
29   51  Poll Performance               Jim Pollicina            Holden Commodore VE  5000         13    10 2:18.3683  0:08.6904
30   24  Pacific Hoists & Hitachi       Nandi Kiss               Holden Commodore VE  5000          7     2 2:19.5902  0:09.9123


#25 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 09:02

Jack Perkins so far cumulatively is 8th outright. In a 4+ year old car run on a shoestring comparitivly.
Just pipped by a Benz.
As for V8 Ovlovs!! My comments have been made before. A front drive V6 car converted to a rear drive V8,,, by a Datsun Dealer! That will sell a lot of Volvos! Though the bowls hat brigade have have moved on to Camrys. Ovlovs are now driven by school teachers, public servants with a salary lease deal and similar types.

I have still yet to see a V8 Altima on Australian roads either.

Evidently today was a crash fest, and it is only practice. Tim Slade's Benz crashed in 2 different sessions. The co driver had no brakes and probably Tim had no car after!
Nissan supposedly have new engine parts,, all for fuel economy ofcourse!
The SEVEN stop race to help the minnows makes any strategy and good engineering pointless. The Fords and Holden can drive them harder and disappear gain. Though if they get too far ahead Schenken will throw a pace car.

Oh and crowd numbers are down, talking to people involved [owners, team personel] they are more than worried. Watch the TV telecasts, you can see the lack of crowds.
The overseas extravaganzas have been curtailed [except for NZ] because there is more people in the teams than the crowds.

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 10 October 2013 - 09:07.


#26 wonk123

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:08

I don't often agree with you Lee, but it is dissapointing that  Jack Perkins can be almost 3 seconds a lap slower in a new car than the old one. I am sure tyres have a lot to do with it, but COTF should be so much better



#27 krapmeister

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:22

Geez the whining from the Merc and Nissan crowd is verging on ridiculous. It's their first season - surely they should be expecting to develop the cars not going for wins this year? I mean really, if they put as much energy into developing the engines as they have been on whinging they'll be up there in no time...



#28 wonk123

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 11:57

Yep, they are having a sook! But seriously, how did they ever expect to be competitive with the tiny bit of development they have done! The Kelly's in particular are a joke, especially if rumours of their budget are to be believed. Harden Up!



#29 wonk123

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 11:58

It's going to be much cooler in the morning, I may even take a jumper.



#30 Brother Fox

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 13:17

What a joke the whinging is.
"It's not fair because they're better than us" is basically what they're saying. They knew the situation when they signed up for the game.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 13:34

MotorsTV in the UK is showing the race live from 11:30PM Saturday evening, channel 447 on Sky.

#32 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 22:28

Geez the whining from the Merc and Nissan crowd is verging on ridiculous. It's their first season - surely they should be expecting to develop the cars not going for wins this year? I mean really, if they put as much energy into developing the engines as they have been on whinging they'll be up there in no time...

The Benz and Nissans already have advantages over the Holdens and Fords. 4 valve engines, taller deck heights etc. But cannot engineer decent power and economy.
Though yesterday the Benzs had brake issues and Kelly evidently broke another rear upright. That is BASIN engineering they are falling down on.
This is all late 70s GpC again,, cry we cannot win and get freedoms. Nissan did that then too. At least this batch of cars do not blow up in 10 laps when pushed. Nobody cried about fuel economy then ofcourse, or the extra weight.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:19

Nostalgia strikes, the DJR Greenstuff Ford crashes hard,,, just 30 years on.

#34 Thomas99

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:28

Decent race by stoner



#35 BellisEndis

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:28

Jack Perkins so far cumulatively is 8th outright. In a 4+ year old car run on a shoestring comparitivly.
Just pipped by a Benz.
As for V8 Ovlovs!! My comments have been made before. A front drive V6 car converted to a rear drive V8,,, by a Datsun Dealer! That will sell a lot of Volvos! Though the bowls hat brigade have have moved on to Camrys. Ovlovs are now driven by school teachers, public servants with a salary lease deal and similar types.

I have still yet to see a V8 Altima on Australian roads either.

Evidently today was a crash fest, and it is only practice. Tim Slade's Benz crashed in 2 different sessions. The co driver had no brakes and probably Tim had no car after!
Nissan supposedly have new engine parts,, all for fuel economy ofcourse!
The SEVEN stop race to help the minnows makes any strategy and good engineering pointless. The Fords and Holden can drive them harder and disappear gain. Though if they get too far ahead Schenken will throw a pace car.

Oh and crowd numbers are down, talking to people involved [owners, team personel] they are more than worried. Watch the TV telecasts, you can see the lack of crowds.
The overseas extravaganzas have been curtailed [except for NZ] because there is more people in the teams than the crowds.

 

 

 

 

Couple of points..

- Maybe the guys in old cars rocking up with years worth of data vs COTF with nothing means times were slow to start.

- since they only get something like 8 sets of tyres they would save them for when it matters and be using the 4 sets of tyres from previous rounds they are allowed to use to practice on. (p1 2.08 and +1.6 to the last position in qualifing)

 

the rest Blah blah blah same old shit I CBF'd responding to..

 

 

 

The Benz and Nissans already have advantages over the Holdens and Fords. 4 valve engines, taller deck heights etc. But cannot engineer decent power and economy.
Though yesterday the Benzs had brake issues and Kelly evidently broke another rear upright. That is BASIN engineering they are falling down on.
This is all late 70s GpC again,, cry we cannot win and get freedoms. Nissan did that then too. At least this batch of cars do not blow up in 10 laps when pushed. Nobody cried about fuel economy then ofcourse, or the extra weight.

 

The Nissians and Merc ain't down on power tho... area under the curve was a problem early on and still not on par just yet.

 

Fuel economy is a different problem that could of been solved in the short term by e70, but will take a bit more devlopment to get there on e85..


Edited by BellisEndis, 11 October 2013 - 09:33.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:34

Nostalgia strikes, the DJR Greenstuff Ford crashes hard,,, just 30 years on.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qs2Brc2vmfw

 

Fairly big hit...



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:52

Yep, looked massive, car didn't look too bad when it came back to the pits, front end damage, while looking superficially bad, seemed like a  reasonably easy fix, however the new rear ends are not quite like a 9 inch, and is going to take some fixing.

 

Friday crowd was like a normal Friday, not like last year which was much larger.

 

Stoner looked good, overdrove it a little bit when the rears started to give up, but he is showing potential.

 

Jack Perkins commented that the COTF was a lot less settled across the top of the mountain.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:29

MotorsTV in the UK is showing the race live from 11:30PM Saturday evening, channel 447 on Sky.

 

Anyone know if they are using the Radio Le Mans commentary feed?



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 16:57

I mean seriously, where do they get off? She wants a break? Why? I find it so low that they would go on like this, you're at a disadvantage cos you rushed the entry, you should have been building for two years. Absolutely laughable. The concessions made, particularly the compulsory 7 stops, is a disgrace. 



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#40 OvDrone

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 18:57

So that race start tomorrow 12th at 12:30 pm CET,  right, so ( as a complete Bathurst virgin) how long does it usually last?


Edited by OvDrone, 11 October 2013 - 19:01.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 19:51

about 6 1/2 hours. Get the supplies ready. 



#42 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 22:55

Yep, looked massive, car didn't look too bad when it came back to the pits, front end damage, while looking superficially bad, seemed like a  reasonably easy fix, however the new rear ends are not quite like a 9 inch, and is going to take some fixing.
 
Friday crowd was like a normal Friday, not like last year which was much larger.
 
Stoner looked good, overdrove it a little bit when the rears started to give up, but he is showing potential.
 
Jack Perkins commented that the COTF was a lot less settled across the top of the mountain.

Reading Speed Café this morning Dick is quoted he does not like these cars. And the rear is a LOT harder to repair. If you look at the pic of the car the parts by Ford are quite minimal! Reputedly a 100k accident. Yet V8SCA tell us these cars are cheaper to build! Blind Freddy can see that they are not.
Steve Johnson is also quoted that the bottom end torque of the engines is not great, but Conrod etc is ok.

#43 wonk123

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 00:35

The engines could do with a lot more compression, I have no idea what they would keep it at 10:1 when the went to E85



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 01:02

If anyone has the Scanner+ or the Aus scanner app on your iPad or iPhone you can listen to the Bathurst track officials radio coms and also the other channel is the v8 teams

Edited by mouserat159, 12 October 2013 - 01:06.


#45 krapmeister

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:33

What a joke the whinging is.
"It's not fair because they're better than us" is basically what they're saying. They knew the situation when they signed up for the game.

 

I mean seriously, where do they get off? She wants a break? Why? I find it so low that they would go on like this, you're at a disadvantage cos you rushed the entry, you should have been building for two years. Absolutely laughable. The concessions made, particularly the compulsory 7 stops, is a disgrace. 

 

Yep :up:  And apart from development the other thing they needed to do this year was to build up a bit of a fanbase. Which I am sure all the whinging isn't helping with at all...

 

So that race start tomorrow 12th at 12:30 pm CET,  right, so ( as a complete Bathurst virgin) how long does it usually last?

 

As Alfisti says about 6 - 6 1/2 hours. Don't forget the Japanese GP is straight after as well - last year Bathurst finished literally as the F1 cars were lining up on the grid in Suzuka... :clap:


Edited by krapmeister, 12 October 2013 - 02:34.


#46 Eff One 2002

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 03:47

:clap: Yeah! Bathurst! Day off work, BBQ fired up, family and friends over and alcohol consumption in my shed with dual-screen goodness is my plan. FPR is looking decent but it seems Red Bull are the team to beat (just like that other series I follow). If it HAS to be a Holden win, I hope Lowndsey can take it again but I'd love to see FPR get their first win at the mountain.   :up:



#47 Wuzak

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:05

Now that was a surprise!

 

The best driver in the best team got the best time!



#48 DrProzac

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:35

Did the race start?

I can't find a working stream..

#49 krapmeister

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:45

You're a bit early mate...



#50 DrProzac

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:56

Lol, it's PM not AM, sorry :) There was something fishy about that start time.. :p