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#1 RealRacing

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 00:56

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110439

 

FA has said again that he's "over-performing" for having scored some second positions and still being in contention for the championship. Does this mean that Kimi and Lewis are also "over-performing"? If yes, why have they so been so quiet about it? :confused:


Edited by RealRacing, 09 October 2013 - 01:00.


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#2 Andrew Hope

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 00:59

Alonso is over-performing just stringing more than three sentences together where he doesn't sound like an entitled shithead.



#3 Kingshark

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 00:59

Fernando Alonso says it's a miracle Ferrari still has F1 title hope

 

A "miracle" does not mean that he boasts about over-performing. He calls it a miracle, because both Ferrari and himself have been quite lucky.



#4 RealRacing

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:02

Fernando Alonso says it's a miracle Ferrari still has F1 title hope

 

A "miracle" does not mean that he boasts about over-performing. He calls it a miracle, because both Ferrari and himself have been quite lucky.

I didn't see the word "luck" anywhere in that article or FA's words...



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:03

I didn't see the word "luck" anywhere in that article or FA's words...

 

Nor did I read him make the claim that he is over-performing, so your conclusion is just as baseless as mine.



#6 discover23

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:05

Nor did I read him make the claim that he is over-performing, so your conclusion is just as baseless as mine.


Good one.

#7 RosannaG

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:09

Nor did I read him make the claim that he is over-performing, so your conclusion is just as baseless as mine.

 

Ferrari suffered a downturn in form in Korea, with Alonso finishing sixth after a hat-trick of second places in Belgium, Italy and Singapore.

But he believes that while Korea was a difficult weekend, those second places were not representative of Ferrari's place in the competitive order.

"The three consecutive second positions were over-performing," said Alonso. "We had the car to be third, fourth or fifth.

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110439

 

Yeah, he said it. 



#8 discover23

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:14

The team as a whole overperformed not just Alonso. Some of those second places were all due to his amazing starts.. And strategy which is the team's call.. Webber goes backward so his results are not representative of what his car is capable of and mercedes is faster but make some strategy blunders ..
Kimi also has underperformed in recent qualifyings..

Edited by discover23, 09 October 2013 - 01:15.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:18

The team as a whole overperformed not just Alonso. Some of those second places were all due to his amazing starts.. And strategy which is the team's call.. Webber goes backward so his results are not representative of what his car is capable of and mercedes is faster but make some strategy blunders ..
Kimi also has underperformed in recent qualifyings..

 

Let's not forget Ferrari's generally flawless pit work this season. Sharp contrast to, say, 2008.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:19

LH has underperformed this season .... only mitigation is he is new to his team but he should at least be second in the standings with that car... to be 4th behind FA and KR is pretty shabby IMO.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:26

"The three consecutive second positions were over-performing," said Alonso. "We had the car to be third, fourth or fifth.

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110439

 

Yeah, he said it. 

 

"We", key word.

 

He praises the team as a whole, including everything from the good launch system, to the flawless reliability, to the spot-on team work, pit work & strategy, and indeed himself as the driver.

 

And yes, he's right, the Ferrari car alone should not have beaten Webber's Red Bull in Belgium and Monza, and it sure as hell shouldn't have finished 2nd in Singapore. Those 54 points earned were down to a solid combination of team work and strategy, and not just his own driving skills (although they were undoubtedly a big part of it).


Edited by Kingshark, 09 October 2013 - 01:28.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:35

"We", key word.

 

He praises the team as a whole, including everything from the good launch system, to the flawless reliability, to the spot-on team work, pit work & strategy, and indeed himself as the driver.

 

And yes, he's right, the Ferrari car alone should not have beaten Webber's Red Bull in Belgium and Monza, and it sure as hell shouldn't have finished 2nd in Singapore. Those 54 points earned were down to a solid combination of team work and strategy, and not just his own driving skills (although they were undoubtedly a big part of it).

 

Sorry, I guess you are right. Nevertheless, I missed the bold part, I did not find it anywhere in the article.  



#13 RealRacing

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:56

Nor did I read him make the claim that he is over-performing, so your conclusion is just as baseless as mine.

Look at Massa, see FA's interviews after most race weekends not only this but also last year, do the math...


Edited by RealRacing, 09 October 2013 - 01:57.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:03

Roll up, roll up for the weekly Alonso bash. Come one, come all... you might win a novelty samurai sword... or our grand prize, a Vettel finger ride.

Or you can go next door for the "Lewis said something, let's over analyze it" soapbox session, 1 to 5, every day.

#15 RealRacing

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:14

"We", key word.

 

He praises the team as a whole, including everything from the good launch system, to the flawless reliability, to the spot-on team work, pit work & strategy, and indeed himself as the driver.

 

Wow, if the first post was a novel, this is a play...



#16 RosannaG

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:15

Roll up, roll up for the weekly Alonso bash. Come one, come all... you might win a novelty samurai sword... or our grand prize, a Vettel finger ride.

Or you can go next door for the "Lewis said something, let's over analyze it" soapbox session, 1 to 5, every day.

 

A little over-sensitive perhaps?   ;)



#17 krea

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:40

You can't overperform.

 

Either your car is good enough to drive for the second place or other teams ****ed it up - which would mean that the other teams underperformed.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:45

 

Ferrari suffered a downturn in form in Korea, with Alonso finishing sixth after a hat-trick of second places in Belgium, Italy and Singapore.

But he believes that while Korea was a difficult weekend, those second places were not representative of Ferrari's place in the competitive order.

"The three consecutive second positions were over-performing," said Alonso. "We had the car to be third, fourth or fifth.

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110439

 

Yeah, he said it. 

 

That's what he said, but nowhere in there does he make any claim that the over-performance is down to his abilities.

 

Nothing to see here.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:11

LH has underperformed this season .... only mitigation is he is new to his team but he should at least be second in the standings with that car... to be 4th behind FA and KR is pretty shabby IMO.

I think it is a good fight.

 

Mercedes starts ahead and fall behind...Lotus starts behind and comes ahead.

 

Ferrari was very good at the start of the year... in decline now i think.



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#20 RealRacing

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:20

That's what he said, but nowhere in there does he make any claim that the over-performance is down to his abilities.

Nothing to see here.


Now that would be too simple, wouldn't it?

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:49

The team as a whole overperformed not just Alonso. Some of those second places were all due to his amazing starts.. And strategy which is the team's call.. Webber goes backward so his results are not representative of what his car is capable of and mercedes is faster but make some strategy blunders ..
Kimi also has underperformed in recent qualifyings..

 

You can set-up the car for the race or for the fastest lap. RBR chose the latter, which means that if they get pole and clean start, they are off and running. Unfortunately only 1 Red Bull car could get the pole, so the other one had to contend with damage limitation.

 

RBR could set-up the car for the race too just like they proved in Abu Dhabi last year. My take is that Ferrari is set-up with the race in mind because they could always rely on their lightning quick start to recover a few positions early on.



#22 Gorma

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:49

Let's keep this over-performing nonsense to Alonso. He's been pushing 110%, 150% for a couple of years now...



#23 eronrules

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:05

kimi overperforming ....  :eek:  you must be joking

 

we all know how it goes

 

Lewis always wears his heart on his sleeves

 

Alonso ALWAYS outperforms the car, the cars he drives are always shit

 

KImi is a lazy drunken moneygrabbing whore who lukes into podium finishes, last race, he robbed RoGro of 2nd place

 

Paul Di Resta ... erm ... no body cares really

 

Sebastian vettel ... it's always the car, even a monkey can win WDC

 

Mark webber ... eternal tragic hero, Horner and marko always sabotages the car

 

etc etc etc ...

 

seriously, what is the point of this thread??? every driver in F1 drives to his limits, no matter what armchair forummers / MSM journos says. and it's not possible humanly to outdrive a car, it's not even possible to extract 100 % it's more between 95-98% and that 3% seperats a top driver to a mediocre one. it doesn't matter what Telfonso says. 

 

now to distract everyone ... kimi double doing the Gangnam style

 



#24 HPT

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:13

If starters of threads like these would put in so much effort and paid so much attention to what they do in real life instead of scrutinizing drivers' every word, I'm sure they'd be a lot more successful at their jobs. Just saying.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:21

"miracle for 15 races" takes it a bit too far. Ferrari/Alonso lost some points early in the season when their car appeared to be best, so I think the gap could to Vettel could be quite a bit smaller in a perfect/miracle season. Other than that the interview looks pretty normal.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:22

Never understood why reliability, pit operations, strategy, launch capabilities, etc. are downplayed so much relative to raw pace of the car and driver capability. So much so that if all those other things are done really well relative to the opposition, it is called a "miracle". we saw in 2012 how having a fast car AND a fast driver was not enough for McLaren to clinch the WDC. Those other things are crucial and are a result of hard work and innovation, not luck. So calling it a "miracle" is a bit of a joke really.

#27 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:52

Thread title is Are Kimi and Lewis also "over-performing" and it has been nothing but another thread about Alonso