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Japanese GP 2013: FP1, FP2, FP3 and Qualifying SUZUKA!


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#1 molpid

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:08

Some selective race transcript via F1Fanatic:

 

http://www.f1fanatic...dio-transcript/

 

 

9 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Hamilton is told he’ll be pitting a lap early.
Target minus one so you can push, push.

9 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington You’re confusing the hell out of me, man.

 

 

27 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington Am I under threat from people behind?

27 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Nico the car behind, 7.5 seconds.

27 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington That’s not what I asked. I asked am I under threat? Is he catching me?

 

 

29 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington Meanwhile Hamilton, who was supposed to come in on that lap, was held up by his team mate and had to pit a lap later. Message censored by FOM.
When are you going to call me in, man? These tyres are *******.

29 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Copy that Lewis. We need to service Nico this lap, you’re next lap.


Edited by molpid, 10 October 2013 - 10:09.


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#2 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:20

40 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Just be aware Lewis was over-stressing his front-right tyre in turn 11 which caused high wear.

#3 Timstr11

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:41

 

the 2008 World Champion is refusing to elaborate on the reasons why he struggled with wear tyre during last Sunday's race.

"There is an explanation but I am not going to tell you!" he told reporters. "But it's me, not the car." [source: SkyF1]

Lewis likes to drive the car 'on the nose'. That's what he requires to do well. Unfortunately the front tyres wouldn't have it.



#4 molpid

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 11:11

Lewis likes to drive the car 'on the nose'. That's what he requires to do well. Unfortunately the front tyres wouldn't have it.

 

good point, wonder if there are any other tracks for the remaining of the season which are front limited?



#5 Markn93

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 11:27

Intrigued by this car's pace around Suzuka, if it can hang/beat a Red Bull round here you'll know it's a demonlly quick machine. 



#6 maxx7

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 11:32

what the weather for tomorrow? heavy-rain all day?



#7 Raven8

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:32

Some selective race transcript via F1Fanatic:

 

http://www.f1fanatic...dio-transcript/

 

 

9 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Hamilton is told he’ll be pitting a lap early.
Target minus one so you can push, push.

9 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington You’re confusing the hell out of me, man.

 

 

27 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington Am I under threat from people behind?

27 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Nico the car behind, 7.5 seconds.

27 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington That’s not what I asked. I asked am I under threat? Is he catching me?

 

 

29 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington Meanwhile Hamilton, who was supposed to come in on that lap, was held up by his team mate and had to pit a lap later. Message censored by FOM.
When are you going to call me in, man? These tyres are *******.

29 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Copy that Lewis. We need to service Nico this lap, you’re next lap.

He 's not really ahelp that Mr Bonnington



#8 Markn93

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:38

It's odd. He's seemed pretty useful till now. They just weren't on the same page at all last week.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 13:12

Some selective race transcript via F1Fanatic:

 

http://www.f1fanatic...dio-transcript/

 

 

9 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Hamilton is told he’ll be pitting a lap early.
Target minus one so you can push, push.

9 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington You’re confusing the hell out of me, man.

 

What's confusing about that?

 

27 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington Am I under threat from people behind?

27 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Nico the car behind, 7.5 seconds.

27 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington That’s not what I asked. I asked am I under threat? Is he catching me?

 

Why didn't Lewis just say: Is he catching me?

 

 

29 Lewis Hamilton Peter Bonnington Meanwhile Hamilton, who was supposed to come in on that lap, was held up by his team mate and had to pit a lap later. Message censored by FOM.
When are you going to call me in, man? These tyres are *******.

29 Peter Bonnington Lewis Hamilton Copy that Lewis. We need to service Nico this lap, you’re next lap.

 

Here Lewis' annoyance is more understandable.

 

 

What's going on between Lewis and his RE?

 

It took years for it to reach this point with Andy at McLaren.



#10 race addicted

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 15:43

Yeah, they don't seem to have good chemistry at all anymore, but it didn't start in Korea, 'cause Hamilton has had complaints before.

I get the impression Hamilton thinks Bonnington is stupid.



#11 jrg19

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 16:51

 

Q3 with Alonso last year.

 

Looking like a dry weekend: http://www.myweather...ka-Circuit.aspx

 

 

(Vettel give someone else a chance)   ;)



#12 Amin

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 17:09

Day off tomorrow, so i'll be staying up for FP1. I don't mind who wins (although I would love a Kimi victory) as long as we have an exciting race. It's hard to look past a Vettel pole/win though.



#13 eronrules

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 18:06

just found this in youtube (not my upload)

 

driver's press conference for japanese gp 

 

 

Jenson should never clean shave, he looks hideous.  :p

 

p.s if the mods think this is inappropriate, please delete this.  :wave:



#14 f1fastestlap

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 18:17

It's odd. He's seemed pretty useful till now. They just weren't on the same page at all last week.

 

They aren't for a long time and my guess is it started in Monaco...



#15 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:55

Day off tomorrow, so i'll be staying up for FP1. I don't mind who wins (although I would love a Kimi victory) as long as we have an exciting race. It's hard to look past a Vettel pole/win though.

Unlikely. Dry races at Suzuka have become a borefest in recent years.



#16 Markn93

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 21:11

I think it may be more team related than just Pete, for eg the strategists got that race horribly wrong despite what Merc maintain.  What Pete has to work on is feeding Lewis the right info which has evidently been an issue for most of the year as they are a new partnership. There's no reason not to believe it won't improve,  it's just doubly frustrating when you're sitting at home and you can see the right call when those in the box seats being payed, can't or don't. 



#17 pingu666

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 22:24

Lewis likes to drive the car 'on the nose'. That's what he requires to do well. Unfortunately the front tyres wouldn't have it.

its actually understeer that will kill front tyres normaly, as they scrub accross the track, get hotter.. a on the nose car will "cut" and turn well, maybe too well and have the rear tyres slide

 

can only guess he was sustaining higher load through some turn(s), and the tyre took it then fell off a cliff. its also possible it was a bad tyre



#18 undersquare

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 22:35

its actually understeer that will kill front tyres normaly, as they scrub accross the track, get hotter.. a on the nose car will "cut" and turn well, maybe too well and have the rear tyres slide

 

can only guess he was sustaining higher load through some turn(s), and the tyre took it then fell off a cliff. its also possible it was a bad tyre

There is an issue about slip angle isn't there, that if they exceed a certain threshold the tyre behaves differently.  Brundle istr was talking about the surface of the tyre 'cutting', which I understood to be splitting and opening up. 

 

Though it might just have been speed through Turn 11 as Nico's RE said, or as you say a variable quality tyre.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 22:36

just found this in youtube (not my upload)

 

driver's press conference for japanese gp 

 

 

Jenson should never clean shave, he looks hideous.  :p

 

p.s if the mods think this is inappropriate, please delete this.  :wave:

If, as is rumoured, Gillette becomes McLaren's new title sponsor, you may have to get used to a stubble-free JB!



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#20 pingu666

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 22:51

the cutting im talking about comes nascar termanolgy i think, it means where the car turns cleanly and easily through the turn, well balanced, stuck to the track, its like a good cut i guess on card or paper.



#21 Seano

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 23:29

A sharp turn in aka pointy, on the nose, nervous is quite often related to the caster on the steering wheels, understeer mid to exit of a corner is more related to camber grip.

 

That's why your shopping trolley behaves the it does - unless you get the 3 wheel tesco defective one!

 

I think Lewis is still quite karty in the way he drives - thats exciting to watch while he has quick reactions but it will hurt these Pirelli's if he get to carried away. 



#22 teejay

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 00:24

He was the only guy to suffer so badly - so something must of been going on outside the old bs of Lewis being a tyre killer



#23 Kelateboy

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 00:58

Clear blue sky for friday and the rest of race weekend.

 

Dry weekend and a borefest!



#24 DanardiF1

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 01:33

Right of passage for rookie Bianchi there. Going off at Degner 2 is part of the learning curve at Suzuka.



#25 turssi

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 01:45

Yeah, it's interesting to see who push over the limit at older, more unforgiving circuits.

#26 turssi

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 01:50

Massa burning some oil in the garage. Let's see if Ferrari manage to get him back out.

#27 jrg19

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:03

Pretty good showing for the Mercedes so far, tyres looking pretty hard too. 



#28 DanardiF1

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:06

Can Susie Wolff please shut up? Putting herself in the camp of the 'next generation' of drivers who need track time in F1. Please Susie, you had your chance 10 years ago to prove yourself in motorsport. You couldn't, so got your beau to put you in a DTM car where you did nothing but prop up the grid, and then once your now husband was a shareholder in Williams you got a test drive there.

 

You are not the 'next generation'.



#29 Amin

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:09

Second victim of Degner 2.



#30 DanardiF1

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:11

Second victim of Degner 2.

 

Not as bad as Jules, but the 2nd rookie... Gutierrez's turn next?



#31 TomNokoe

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:11

10 place grid penalty for Pastor?

#32 SamH123

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:14

That was a bit scary with Pastor, he the car almost spun into the path of its own loose wheel



#33 turssi

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:14

Bianchis Marussia neatly parked next to Van Der Gardes Caterham. Who's next?

That tire coming loose on Maldonados Williams could earn a fine for the team?

On other news, Massa is back on the track.

#34 toofast

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:17

Merc looks good



#35 TomNokoe

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:34

Chilton not faster than Bianchi, ouch. Good time from Perez early on.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:38

Can Susie Wolff please shut up? Putting herself in the camp of the 'next generation' of drivers who need track time in F1. Please Susie, you had your chance 10 years ago to prove yourself in motorsport. You couldn't, so got your beau to put you in a DTM car where you did nothing but prop up the grid, and then once your now husband was a shareholder in Williams you got a test drive there.

 

You are not the 'next generation'.

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Totally. 



#37 Kelateboy

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:39

Right of passage for rookie Bianchi there. Going off at Degner 2 is part of the learning curve at Suzuka.

 

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson says Jules Bianchi crashed earlier in this session because he got his arm caught between the seat and the chassis and couldn't get the opposite lock off. "I'll add that to my book of excuses," jokes Alexander Rossi, Caterham's reserve driver who is acting as a BBC F1 analyst for this session.



#38 Markn93

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:52

Great pace in FP1, both on single lap and heavier fuel. Bodes well.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:59

Great pace in FP1, both on single lap and heavier fuel. Bodes well.

Early days yet, remember we thought similar last weekend.



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#40 Neolew

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:13

Chilton not faster than Bianchi, ouch. Good time from Perez early on.

 

Ouch indeed!  Bianchi crashed early in FP1 but is was 1 second faster than Chilton? surely chilton was running full fuel or Max just showing us how shockingly bad and undeserving of an F1 seat he is again... 

 

 

 

Loving the great atmosphere at the Japanese GP with 1000s of enthusiastic spectators turning up today, better than the empty stands and tumbleweeds at some other circuits!

Suzuka is one of my favorite circuits because it hasn't been infected with Hermann Tilke's blandness and the highly technical track punishes drivers for making errors, a rarity in modern Formula 1.



#41 Markn93

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:28

But I expected RB domination this week,  plus weren't they much better in the long runs in Korea?  Of the few laps the Mercs did they were impressive.  



#42 Kelateboy

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:36

@F1pitradio - Perez informed Vettel ran 24 laps and "looked like he had pretty high degradation on high fuel".

 

There is still hope for the MGP boys....  :yawnface:



#43 garagetinkerer

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:18

Mercedes one-two in practise 1! Who would've thunk that?



#44 mangeliiito

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:25

Anything special in P1? (Except of the run offs) Just got up to get ready for school, but the teacher texted me and said no school. Let's bring on P2!

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:37

Practice 1:  :: Sector times :: Lap Chart
 



#46 Kelateboy

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:07

Tyres are going off pretty quickly in FP1. Track temperature now is 41C. 



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:12

A challenging circuit that punishes mistakes, how refreshing.



#48 Kelateboy

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:13

Maldonado is in the barrier at Degner 2. But the Japanese marshals are 10x more efficient than their counterparts in Korea...



#49 Kelateboy

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:18

Perez into the barrier on the entry into Spoon. He is ok. 



#50 mangeliiito

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:19

Suzuka is mad today, she's eating a lot of cars!