Jump to content


Photo
* * * * * 1 votes

Japanese GP 2013: FP1, FP2, FP3 and Qualifying SUZUKA!


  • Please log in to reply
374 replies to this topic

#51 Anderis

Anderis
  • Member

  • 2,665 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:21

Ouch indeed!  Bianchi crashed early in FP1 but is was 1 second faster than Chilton? surely chilton was running full fuel or Max just showing us how shockingly bad and undeserving of an F1 seat he is again..

He was a match for Bianchi in the last 3 races so watch out for your words.



Advertisement

#52 ElDictatore

ElDictatore
  • Member

  • 856 posts
  • Joined: January 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:35

Alonso spun. Haven't seens that from him in a long time.



#53 KingTiger

KingTiger
  • Member

  • 483 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:55

rofl raikkonen!



#54 Diablobb81

Diablobb81
  • Member

  • 3,476 posts
  • Joined: August 09

Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:56

Kimi having a beach party.



#55 Miggeex

Miggeex
  • Member

  • 461 posts
  • Joined: May 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:57

Weirdly behaving rear in that Lotus there even if he was off-line.



#56 KingTiger

KingTiger
  • Member

  • 483 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:06

3 commercials in the last 10 minutes for NBC. What a complete joke.  :down:



#57 Lights

Lights
  • Member

  • 9,316 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:14

As others have said: refreshing circuit. Why am I not surprised by reading particular drivers crashing off... The only thing I regret is waking up so late, Suzuka has the best Friday practice sessions of all.



#58 KingTiger

KingTiger
  • Member

  • 483 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:24

Red Bull are just so much faster than everyone else....



#59 Lights

Lights
  • Member

  • 9,316 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:53

Red Bull are just so much faster than everyone else....

Ah come on. This is the part of the weekend where some still like to have hope, and where the media makes us believe so.



Advertisement

#60 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:56

Ah come on. This is the part of the weekend where some still like to have hope, and where the media makes us believe so.

Haha they can't fool anyone anylonger. It will be RBR dominance again



#61 TF110

TF110
  • Member

  • 810 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:06

Ham's time in fp1 on the hards was only 3 tenths off Vettels best in fp2 on mediums. The heat probably messed with the tire usage in practice 2. Hopefully the track is closer to fp1 in qualifying.

#62 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:09

Ham's time in fp1 on the hards was only 3 tenths off Vettels best in fp2 on mediums. The heat probably messed with the tire usage in practice 2. Hopefully the track is closer to fp1 in qualifying.

Differnce between mediums & hards alledgedly 0,5 sec according to Brawn.

Lewis had yellow flaggs on his 1st run, and went wide on the 2nd. IMO he would be closer to Vettel if he had a  good lap. BUt at race pace RBR seems to be miles ahead again. Hamilton did not sound very optimistic after FP2 and said tyre conservation will be the main issue for them


Edited by Raven8, 11 October 2013 - 07:10.


#63 TF110

TF110
  • Member

  • 810 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:10

RB on mediums were only 3 tenths up on Hamilton's practice 1 time on Hards. There is still a chance imo.

#64 TF110

TF110
  • Member

  • 810 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:12

If Rosberg can get up there with him, they may spoil the Vettel party. I can only hope they lock out the front row.

#65 SophieB

SophieB
  • RC Forum Host

  • 2,053 posts
  • Joined: July 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:16

Ah come on. This is the part of the weekend where some still like to have hope, and where the media makes us believe so.

 

I believe the new agreed party line from the press is something like 'Red Bull will obviously win but that's okay because rather than being excited about who might win the race you should be just as happy watching people scrap for the honour of finishing third or fourth.'



#66 Lights

Lights
  • Member

  • 9,316 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:17

Haha they can't fool anyone anylonger. It will be RBR dominance again

Yeah I know...



#67 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:17

Ham's time in fp1 on the hards was only 3 tenths off Vettels best in fp2 on mediums. The heat probably messed with the tire usage in practice 2. Hopefully the track is closer to fp1 in qualifying.

Hamilton is very good & fast on a green track out of the box, but this advantage is neglected when the track improves and set up gets tuned in others catch up - unfortunately



#68 Lights

Lights
  • Member

  • 9,316 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:20

I believe the new agreed party line from the press is something like 'Red Bull will obviously win but that's okay because rather than being excited about who might win the race you should be just as happy watching people scrap for the honour of finishing third or fourth.'

 

True! And commentators like Brundle will express how 'excited' they are and how they don't understand the recent criticism by fans on the sport, the moment a fire truck shows up in front of Vettel, like that was the exciting surprise we desired.


Edited by Lights, 11 October 2013 - 07:21.


#69 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:24

I believe the new agreed party line from the press is something like 'Red Bull will obviously win but that's okay because rather than being excited about who might win the race you should be just as happy watching people scrap for the honour of finishing third or fourth.'

I does not really work



#70 SamH123

SamH123
  • Member

  • 1,171 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:28

Hamilton is very good & fast on a green track out of the box, but this advantage is neglected when the track improves and set up gets tuned in others catch up - unfortunately

 

That's true, but Hamilton shouldn't get slower on an improved track...

 

Good chance the current trend continues, merc will be an agonising tenth or so short in qualifying and then run into some strategy glitch during the race and finish 4th/6th  :p



#71 Juggles

Juggles
  • Member

  • 896 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:31

Red Bull's race pace in another sphere. The only thing I've been clinging on to over the last few races is that Vettel's dominance will cease at the most unexpected moment. From looking at the times today this truly would be the most unexpected moment.



#72 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:32

That's true, but Hamilton shouldn't get slower on an improved track...

 

Good chance the current trend continues, merc will be an agonising tenth or so short in qualifying and then run into some strategy glitch during the race and finish 4th/6th  :p

Lotus shows better race pace, too. It needs eveything to come together if the Mercs will get a podium, I'm under no illussions. As much as I wish especially for Hamilton to beat Vettel, Mercedes seems not to be the fastest car in race trimm. Maybe Hamilton can pull one out in qualy, & Rosberg , too if he finds the right set up, but in the race it will be hard to stay ahead even  of Lotus, RBR is a different matter


Edited by Raven8, 11 October 2013 - 07:33.


#73 Juggles

Juggles
  • Member

  • 896 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:39

If Rosberg can get up there with him, they may spoil the Vettel party. I can only hope they lock out the front row.

 

I can't see anyone but Vettel on pole. In the first half of the season Mercedes was the fastest car in dry qualifying but already by Germany Red Bull had drawn level. In Hungary I think Red Bull was superior and since the summer break they have been significantly ahead (Spa was wet). The trend is not going in the right direction sadly.



#74 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:43

I can't see anyone but Vettel on pole. In the first half of the season Mercedes was the fastest car in dry qualifying but already by Germany Red Bull had drawn level. In Hungary I think Red Bull was superior and since the summer break they have been significantly ahead (Spa was wet). The trend is not going in the right direction sadly.

It has much to do with the new tyres since Hungary, both Mercedes drivers have their problems on them( said in a recent interview), while they IMO seemed to be a gift for RBR



#75 Obi Offiah

Obi Offiah
  • Member

  • 8,345 posts
  • Joined: November 04

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:44

Differnce between mediums & hards alledgedly 0,5 sec according to Brawn.

Lewis had yellow flaggs on his 1st run, and went wide on the 2nd. IMO he would be closer to Vettel if he had a  good lap. BUt at race pace RBR seems to be miles ahead again. Hamilton did not sound very optimistic after FP2 and said tyre conservation will be the main issue for them

Listening to the interviews even Ross (who was spoken to during FP2 by the Sky F1 team) is getting tired of the tyres, suggesting too much time is spent trying to figure them out and develop strategies to manage them.


Edited by Obi Offiah, 11 October 2013 - 07:48.


#76 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:47

Listening to the interviews even Ross (who was spoken to during FP2 by the Sky F1 team) is getting tired of the tyres, suggesting to much time is spent trying to figure them out and develop strategies to manage them.

Had the impression, too. How much of the car potential might be wasted because of the chewing gum tyres? Must be really frustrating, as I think Mercedes has a great car, but the tyres limit it too much.



#77 Slackbladder

Slackbladder
  • Member

  • 1,163 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:01

Another Vettel borefest for the win then... brilliant.



#78 Slackbladder

Slackbladder
  • Member

  • 1,163 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:04

RB on mediums were only 3 tenths up on Hamilton's practice 1 time on Hards. There is still a chance imo.

 

It's more about the long term runs than one lap pace that Red Bull are showing their dominance..



#79 plumtree

plumtree
  • Member

  • 712 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:20

Rosberg's long run pace on medium tyres was very very impressive. It looks better than Vettel's and over longer stint. He hardly losing any pace and went quicker at the end of the session.



Advertisement

#80 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:29

Rosberg's long run pace on medium tyres was very very impressive. It looks better than Vettel's and over longer stint. He hardly losing any pace and went quicker at the end of the session.

Rosberg was on new tyres, after he flatt spotted the others, did Vettel have new tyres, too?



#81 plumtree

plumtree
  • Member

  • 712 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:03

Rosberg was on new tyres, after he flatt spotted the others, did Vettel have new tyres, too?

Vettel: 12 timed laps on Mediums (1:39.x ~ 1:40.x laps)  → 40 seconds in box → 10 laps on Hards

Rosberg: 6 on Hards + 40s in box + 4 on Hards(?) → 20s in box → 13 laps on Mediums (1:38.x ~ 1:39.x)

Somehow I assumed they refueled Rosberg's car before the option set run to simulate first stint of race, which doesn't seem possible considering theshort pit stop time. Now I'm not so sure if fuel loads difference confused me. :o



#82 SamH123

SamH123
  • Member

  • 1,171 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:04

Rosberg didn't put on him mediums until his 2nd stint (when his fuel had started to deplete) so looked fast because others had done their 1st stint on mediums



#83 Kelateboy

Kelateboy
  • Member

  • 5,791 posts
  • Joined: October 07

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:05

Rosberg was on new tyres, after he flatt spotted the others, did Vettel have new tyres, too?

 

I don't quite get this question.

 

Everyone uses 1 set of hards and 1 set of mediums in FP2. These 2 sets will be returned to the FIA upon the completion of FP2. The 2 race simulations by Vettel, 1 on prime and the other on options, utilized the same sets previously used when he did his quick short runs earlier in the session. 



#84 Coral

Coral
  • Member

  • 2,730 posts
  • Joined: January 07

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:10

I believe the new agreed party line from the press is something like 'Red Bull will obviously win but that's okay because rather than being excited about who might win the race you should be just as happy watching people scrap for the honour of finishing third or fourth.'

Oh well...yet another Vettel borefest coming up this weekend. :(

 

The truth is, I get more enjoyment out of watching Classic F1 races on Sky than I do watching them live nowadays. The Red Bull/Vettel borefests have just killed off my interest in F1. I am no longer even remotely excited about the races.

 

The press don't care as nearly all of them are fully paid-up members of the Red Bull/Vettel Fan Club. :|


Edited by Coral, 11 October 2013 - 09:11.


#85 plumtree

plumtree
  • Member

  • 712 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:15

I don't quite get this question.
 
Everyone uses 1 set of hards and 1 set of mediums in FP2. These 2 sets will be returned to the FIA upon the completion of FP2. The 2 race simulations by Vettel, 1 on prime and the other on options, utilized the same sets previously used when he did his quick short runs earlier in the session.

I guess he asked if I thought all race simulations were done on the same set of tyres.

 

Rosberg didn't put on him mediums until his 2nd stint (when his fuel had started to deplete) so looked fast because others had done their 1st stint on mediums

Probably, still the way he managed the option set looks very good.



#86 sopa

sopa
  • Member

  • 2,835 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:16

Oh well...yet another Vettel borefest coming up this weekend. :(

 

The truth is, I get more enjoyment out of watching Classic F1 races on Sky than I do watching them live nowadays. The Red Bull/Vettel borefests have just killed off my interest in F1. I am no longer even remotely excited about the races.

 

The press don't care as nearly all of them are fully paid-up members of the Red Bull/Vettel Fan Club. :|

 

What should the press care about?

Press cares about covering F1 in an interesting way for the audience and they have to deal with the superiority of Red Bull-Vettel combo too. So they have to put a good spin on it and find interesting ways to cover it. If media tells "nah, this RB domination thing is rubbish", how is it supposed to attract the audience?



#87 SamH123

SamH123
  • Member

  • 1,171 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:20

 

Probably, still the way he managed the option set looks very good.

 

Yeah agreed, sorry I hadn't seen your post when I posted



#88 Slackbladder

Slackbladder
  • Member

  • 1,163 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:21

What should the press care about?

Press cares about covering F1 in an interesting way for the audience and they have to deal with the superiority of Red Bull-Vettel combo too. So they have to put a good spin on it and find interesting ways to cover it. If media tells "nah, this RB domination thing is rubbish", how is it supposed to attract the audience?

 

Even guys like Brundle are giving up trying to make the race interesting at the moment.



#89 sopa

sopa
  • Member

  • 2,835 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:56

Even guys like Brundle are giving up trying to make the race interesting at the moment.

 

Well, you can still find bits and pieces here and there. Like someone said, if the battle for first isn't interesting, maybe for 3rd it is.

 

And Korean Grand Prix was interesting overall, despite Vettel winning. But everything going on behind him was interesting.



#90 Slackbladder

Slackbladder
  • Member

  • 1,163 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:09

Well, you can still find bits and pieces here and there. Like someone said, if the battle for first isn't interesting, maybe for 3rd it is.

 

And Korean Grand Prix was interesting overall, despite Vettel winning. But everything going on behind him was interesting.

 

Meh... whilst that's true, how many people do you see in the street going 'wow that fight between 4 and 5th in that marathon was awesome...'

 

It's like cheering on the 3rd and 4th play off in the World Cup.



#91 turssi

turssi
  • Member

  • 1,190 posts
  • Joined: October 10

Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:20

@slackbladder: Considering the form of Spain lately the World Cup is not so different from F1, so maybe your selection of words was not the best one there!

#92 Group B

Group B
  • Member

  • 13,971 posts
  • Joined: March 02

Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:28

Meh... whilst that's true, how many people do you see in the street going 'wow that fight between 4 and 5th in that marathon was awesome...'

 

It's like cheering on the 3rd and 4th play off in the World Cup.

 

Well that's the difference between people who enjoy the contest and those only interested in the result. You're right that Joe Public will often only rembember the winner of a given event, but real fans of any sport will enjoy (and remember) any example of an exciting, quality contest.



#93 7MGTEsup

7MGTEsup
  • Member

  • 370 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:33

Meh... whilst that's true, how many people do you see in the street going 'wow that fight between 4 and 5th in that marathon was awesome...'

 

It's like cheering on the 3rd and 4th play off in the World Cup.

 

You do realise people support the teams who are playing for third and fourth right? The race isn't all about the winner but then again I'm pretty neutral and don't have a favourite driver so as long as there are some battles going on I don't mind.



#94 SophieB

SophieB
  • RC Forum Host

  • 2,053 posts
  • Joined: July 12

Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:41

alanbaldwinf116m

You picked a fine time to leave me, loose wheel. Williams fined 60,000 euros for leaving Maldonado with a three-wheeler in first practice.

 

 

Included mostly for the play on words, which I enjoyed.



#95 vista

vista
  • Member

  • 535 posts
  • Joined: April 13

Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:02

Pole time last year was 1.30.8 so a long way to go. Wonder why they are so slow this year.



#96 Crossmax

Crossmax
  • Member

  • 983 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:06

Pole time last year was 1.30.8 so a long way to go. Wonder why they are so slow this year.

 

No DRS between hairpin and Spoon, and out of Spoon till the casino triangle. That has to account for quite some time loss.
 



#97 Slackbladder

Slackbladder
  • Member

  • 1,163 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:10

 

Included mostly for the play on words, which I enjoyed.

 

 

To be fair, that Williams seems like a Robin Reliant at the moment, given it's performance.



#98 anti

anti
  • Member

  • 383 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:40

Practice 2:  :: Sector times :: Lap Chart
 



#99 Trust

Trust
  • Member

  • 3,170 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:07

On what tyres Kimi started his long run pace when he beached it? And on what tyres was Grosjean?

Ferrari duo seems faster and more consistent on long run than Romain.



Advertisement

#100 Bloggsworth

Bloggsworth
  • Member

  • 7,445 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:16

Chilton very close to VderG and showing some excellent car control - Watching the Marussia reminds me I once had a breakdown truck that handled better...