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#1 FastnLoud

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 18:53

KERS units will be twice as powerful and deliver ten times the current performance.

 

http://www.f1reader....rful-kers-21054

 

Redbull have always struggled with their KERS so could this be an issue for them next year and give Mercedes an advantage, add that to the apparent news that Merc engine is alot more powerful than the others.



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#2 engineblock1

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 18:55

For once it appears there would be a season where engine will matter a lot than it does right now. However, we have seen RBR still doing great with less powerful Renault engines. Every time fans expect RBR to be eaten up on the straights, they destroy the competition in corners. And not to mention, there are other factors like engine weight and its consumption which can offset the horsepower advantage.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:03

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#4 FastnLoud

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:06

Single exit exhaust aswell so - blown diffusers will be a thing of the past, although Newey will probs come up with something.



#5 Andrew Hope

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:07

Does this mean talking about KERS will be 10 times more boring next year as welll?



#6 ApexMouse

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:33

Since when do RBR design KERS? Its a Magneti Marrelli Job.



#7 chrcol

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:33

I think the renault is weak thing is a load of rubbish, frequently now we see merc powered cars struggling on straights.

 

Currently I think the pecking order for engine power is.

 

Ferrari -> Renault -> Merc

 

for 2014? noone knows its all guesswork.



#8 fisssssi

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:36

Does this mean if car has a KERS failure next year they will lose so much performance they might as well retire?

No wonder Webber is leaving...



#9 Bloggsworth

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:39

Since when do RBR design KERS? Its a Magneti Marrelli Job.

 

To Newey's specification...



#10 Bloggsworth

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:40

I think the renault is weak thing is a load of rubbish, frequently now we see merc powered cars struggling on straights.

 

Currently I think the pecking order for engine power is.

 

Ferrari -> Renault -> Merc

 

for 2014? noone knows its all guesswork.

 

Which is odd, as the power of the units was supposed to be fixed a while ago...



#11 Jon83

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 19:41

For once it appears there would be a season where engine will matter a lot than it does right now. However, we have seen RBR still doing great with less powerful Renault engines. Every time fans expect RBR to be eaten up on the straights, they destroy the competition in corners. And not to mention, there are other factors like engine weight and its consumption which can offset the horsepower advantage.

 

I'm not sure that is really the case to be honest. I doubt there is much between the current engines.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 20:40

For once it appears there would be a season where engine will matter a lot than it does right now. However, we have seen RBR still doing great with less powerful Renault engines. Every time fans expect RBR to be eaten up on the straights, they destroy the competition in corners. And not to mention, there are other factors like engine weight and its consumption which can offset the horsepower advantage.

 

Renault engines are by the best in F1 at the moment. It's not even close. 



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 21:39

I wonder if Red Bull can carry their 'advantage' over to next year if it is KERS related and they use some sort of hybrid system (from the traction control thread). Does anybody know if they still can to this next year or just likely? Assuming the theories are accurate or, at least, some are..



#14 engineblock1

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:03

Renault engines are by the best in F1 at the moment. It's not even close. 

 

 

From what I have seen, they consume lesser fuel, hence Renault powered cars are able to carry lesser fuel for race than their rivals. But of course an engine pushing against lot of drag doesn't give us clear picture of how powerful it is in comparison to rivals. Renault isn't the most powerful engine, but the weight advantage coupled with some genius aero offsets the loss in terms of power. I would say Ferrari/Mercedes engines are nearly equal with Renault a bit behind.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:21

KERS units will be twice as powerful and deliver ten times the current performance.

 

http://www.f1reader....rful-kers-21054

 

Redbull have always struggled with their KERS so could this be an issue for them next year and give Mercedes an advantage, add that to the apparent news that Merc engine is alot more powerful than the others.

 

KERS next year won't work the same way as today's KERS. It will not be button-activated (think of Prius) and given the big percentage of power it contributes, any failure will most likely lead to retirement. The KERS system will be part of the powertrain package which means if Red Bull struggles with it, all of Renault-powered teams will struggle as all teams must be supplied powertrain with the same spec.


Edited by toofast, 14 October 2013 - 06:36.


#16 Shiroo

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:38

we all know that Renault has the best engine. RBR problem with the KERS is related to the positioning of it and also battery packs. RBR's KERS has 2 batteries that are seperated and are located on the sides of gearbox, also it is close to the exhaust pipes. It has inferior cooling to ther other cars, that's why it sometimes has problems. Other cars has battery alongside the fuel cell.

Due to such positioning RBR has better rear package but shitty KERS.

Though without exhaust tricks, maybe they will change the KERS, cause it will be really important to have it working next year.



#17 CoolBreeze

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:59

Next year will be a clean slate for everyone.



#18 muramasa

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:20

There's no way of knowing current engine's pecking order. Renault engine didnt make any difference to Caterham form at all, yet Renault engine cannot be ****. Also now it seems Renault engine didnt affect Williams performance at all either (I have to infer Cosworth is actually very competitive engine. Shame they will go out of F1 next year). Meanwhile RBR keep dominating, yet Merc/Ferrari engines cannot be that inferior to Renault engine. All in all it's just impossible to compare performance b/w eingnes, and if you dare compare, the conclusion is that they are equal for the above reason. In F1, in the past 5 years or so, engine itself has been practically standard element.

 

Also, current engine is hardly irrelevant to 2015 as all manufacutres are established entities with no shortage in funds, and been in F1 for long time.

 

Maybe only relevant and interesting guessing is how RBR/Newey's propensity to squeeze everything so tight will affect their reliablity and performance in the new era where power train and integration around it will be more important. They are pretty much the only team still plagued by KERS issues regularly, arnt they?