Jump to content


Photo
* * * * - 8 votes

Kimi's relationship with Lotus


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
1937 replies to this topic

#1901 quidam

quidam
  • Member

  • 188 posts
  • Joined: June 12

Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:57

well maybe they told him that the situation is shitty. But he lost his patience. I would understand it in 100%. I mean, someone can bear up with not being paid for month, two. But not for god damn almost year.

 

Last year Kimi was payed at the end of the year. So why Kimi react like that this year ???



Advertisement

#1902 MikeTekRacing

MikeTekRacing
  • Member

  • 5,784 posts
  • Joined: October 04

Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:23

there are two options he must understand. the team can invest in performance and pay him at the end of the year or pay his salary on time and have no money for car development. 

 

he's worked a lot, has a valid contract and deserves any cent (plus bonuses and everything). However he will get paid, it's not like he's out of money and the team gave him a fantastic car for their possibilities. They gave him a chance after being fired by Ferrari and taking a break and they gave him a great car. he delivered great performances so both parties need to take a cold shower and relax.



#1903 boldhakka

boldhakka
  • Member

  • 2,802 posts
  • Joined: September 10

Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:29

Last year Kimi was payed at the end of the year. So why Kimi react like that this year ???


An equally valid question is why he did not react like this last year. He should have.

#1904 Oho

Oho
  • Member

  • 7,734 posts
  • Joined: November 98

Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:30

Last year Kimi was payed at the end of the year. So why Kimi react like that this year ???

 

Maybe he wasn't yelled at last year by his bosses about what an ungrateful brat and lousy employee he is.



#1905 redreni

redreni
  • Member

  • 2,831 posts
  • Joined: August 09

Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:39

Heh -- one more thing, if you would be a Lotus rep., that would annoy you, right mate?

Do not worry, though, he will do just fine at Ferrari, unless it pertains to him speaking Italian. God forbid he even tries, as that is just deadly for the ears.


Did you check with the FIA yet? Sounds like a mouth watering scenario, maybe you could point it out to them in case they didn't notice? I mean, not that you care about Kimi, pfft, but maybe just absent mindedly bombard them with emails about it? Just in case?


Wow. But Kimi fans aren‘t touchy....

You can argue about whether leaving the track almost immediately after returning to the paddock is acceptable behaviour from a driver who hasn‘t been paid, seeing as top management at Lotus don‘t appear to have have any right to expect more from him and I can‘t imagine anyone else at the team cares if he does his media work properly, but anyone with any common sense at all would realise it‘s not a good thing to be filmed leaving the track an hour before the end of the event.

Writing letters to the FIA about whether Kimi fulfilled his media commitments would be an egregious waste of time, but no more so than trawling through every Kimi thread flaming anyone who fails to fawn over him.

Man, you really are something. Don't know if I should be angry or laugh at your post.



#1906 NexusIcon

NexusIcon
  • Member

  • 154 posts
  • Joined: July 13

Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:43

Kimi definitely talked to Natalie Pinkham for Sky after his 'race'. They (Sky) were angling for him to be angry at Lotus for not starting from pit lane, it was so blatant, yet when she asked him if he thought he should have he said, "No!"

Kimi often leaves the track immediately. I didn't see anything unusual about that.

#1907 jedioriginal

jedioriginal
  • Member

  • 675 posts
  • Joined: August 13

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:04

there are two options he must understand. the team can invest in performance and pay him at the end of the year or pay his salary on time and have no money for car development.

he's worked a lot, has a valid contract and deserves any cent (plus bonuses and everything). However he will get paid, it's not like he's out of money and the team gave him a fantastic car for their possibilities. They gave him a chance after being fired by Ferrari and taking a break and they gave him a great car. he delivered great performances so both parties need to take a cold shower and relax.

I think Kimi understands and KNOWS the situation better than you from your home sofa, so don't bother.

#1908 Oldie

Oldie
  • Member

  • 88 posts
  • Joined: May 13

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:42

Well perhaps Kimi decided to act this year, because the same problem with the pay also happened last year. One time might be forgiven, but second...? And I'm sure he had all the promises everything being so great for 2013, Honeywell and other sponsors knocking at Lotus door. but just to be scared away.
Once Kimi decided to jump on Ferrari, team has kind of turned against him. I don't mean any sabotage, god no, but the athmosphere, mentality. While considering who has been the driver responsible for their wins and clear majority of points, with the pay problems, and then some senior member says you are a bad team player based on one incident that had no effect on anything, I personally see why Kimi might not feel that happy. It is not like the team gave him WDC, and then he complains lack of support.

And it has nothing to do Lotus not having money. Genii has it, and it very could have injected some more to pay Kimi and the employees.
Again Lotus/the enstone team is just a pawn in their business plan.

#1909 Wolfie

Wolfie
  • Member

  • 1,330 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:44

Ecclestone may be wiling to do that. But Raikkonen may not have any interest in that. As I said earlier, Raikkonen's problem is not money per se. If they had been straightforward and said the situation is difficult, I don't think Raikkonen would have reacted like this. What we can see from his statements is that he was being told one thing after another and was being evaded. Raikkonen would have found this dishonest and deceiving. That is probably what has peeved him off.

 

If you heard what he said on Friday it was not the money alone, not the disrespectful radio message alone, but when he read after India GP how the team blamed him for not being a team player and not having the team's interests in mind, that's when he got enough of it.

 

Robertson laid out different options for Kimi - after Kimi told him that this is enough - and Kimi chose how he wants to deal with the situation and we saw the outcome of it on Friday.

 

It's important to take into account that he did it the right way. Robertson was the right man to make sure everything was done in a professional way. And just look at the outcome - Kimi silenced Lotus effectively. Lotus couldn't start 'fighting him back' in the media.

 

Now that it's all come out it's Lotus who looks bad, especially after all their lies during the year about one week paying him and the next week planning to pay him in the next few days etc. etc. In Japan EB assured the media that all salaries had been taken care of :rolleyes:

 

So if you race for them for free, work yourself up to the podium and points time after time again, and then hear your team cursing at you on the track... and to make it even worse the team leaders come out with statements about him not being a team player and how they have to have discussions with him in the office - no wonder that he got enough of it. Own team dragging your reputation through the mud - not the media like in 2009 - but your own team :mad:

 

It was very stupid and very shortsighted of them. Did they really believe that, after Lopez scolding Kimi for being after money only Kimi would stay hush-hush about him not being paid at all :rolleyes:

 

It's safe to say that Permane started the chain of events, that's when the whole team crossed the line and started to disrespect Kimi in public and it's amazing that they didn't know what was going to happen next?!?!

 

Did you hear anyone apologize to Kimi in person? Did you hear anyone putting Permane straight?

 

Nope! All they came with was some wishy-washy apologies where no names were mentioned and it was made clear that both parties were to blame in India.

 

But hey, JV who never misses a chance to take a dig at Kimi, he changed his tune when talking to Kulta/TS yesterday:

 

 

– Kimi was 100% right when bringing up this matter to our knowledge, Villeneuve assured Turun Sanomat.

– It's not only a question about part of the salary being unpaid, he hasn't been paid anything. When you make a contract in this business everyone expects both parties to take care of their obligations.

– Kimi has done everything he was supposed to do and he has worked his ass off without getting any compensation for it. On top of that the way he was spoken to in the radio in India showed a complete lack of respect.

– Being treated like that and not being paid would get anyone frustrated. I would also be completely embarrassed if I was in his situation. While Kimi is over 100% right, the team again is over 100% lost.

– After a treatment like that, what would Kimi have to lose even if he wouldn't drive for Lotus anymore? As a matter of fact I would had expected Kimi to react even earlier in the same way. I believe he came to Abu Dhabi only because of hoping to still get paid.

 

 



#1910 ph7

ph7
  • New Member

  • 24 posts
  • Joined: January 04

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:53

Last year Kimi was payed at the end of the year. So why Kimi react like that this year ???

Is it really so difficult to see why?

It's the damn attitude of the team, that's why. Ever since the Ferrari deal was announced they changed their attitude towards him, don't you see that?

Undermining comments in the press about his career, team player ability, motivation etc. Read between the lines. All while being unpaid by his "buddy" Lopez. And the cherry on top was the radio messages in India.

It's only understandable that he changed his attitude as well. I would be surprised if he didn't.



#1911 Raven8

Raven8
  • Member

  • 705 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:57

Kimi & Lotus , it's a shame for F1, both!



#1912 Shiroo

Shiroo
  • Member

  • 4,012 posts
  • Joined: October 12

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:01

Kimi & Lotus , it's a shame for F1, both!

 

Also there was a bit of shame for F1, when Hamilton were writing a crap about telemetry on the twitter.

 

Be serious, ya it isn't best for F1 for sure. But F1 had more shit that was way more serious like crash gate or spy gate. Here with have problems with cash flow.



#1913 intelligentsia

intelligentsia
  • Member

  • 2,357 posts
  • Joined: October 07

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:03

Last year Kimi was payed at the end of the year. So why Kimi react like that this year ???

 

Fool me once, fool me twice...

 

there are two options he must understand. the team can invest in performance and pay him at the end of the year or pay his salary on time and have no money for car development. 

 

he's worked a lot, has a valid contract and deserves any cent (plus bonuses and everything). However he will get paid, it's not like he's out of money and the team gave him a fantastic car for their possibilities. They gave him a chance after being fired by Ferrari and taking a break and they gave him a great car. he delivered great performances so both parties need to take a cold shower and relax.

 

Kimi renegotiated his contract after last year because Lotus struggled to pay him. The team should have used their fiances better. Kimi didn't hold them at gunpoint to sign him, they agreed and signed a contract. The other employees and car performance ultimately isn't Kimi's responsibility he isn't the team owner. It is the team owners job to think about these things, and to budget accordingly.

Lotus wasted a lot of money to develop the PDRS for two years, couldn't they have used that money on real developments? They have used a lot of money on upgrading their simulator, they already had simulator if you had to choose between upgrading a simulator or paying the wages of the work force, then you should pay the workforce. Lotus also used millions on making expensive videos for marketing, couldn't that money have been used better? It is not just as simple as saying that Kimi should wait for his money because of car development or employees that have to be paid.

We dont have Lotus's full budget in front of us, we dont know how they are spending their money, are they actually just using their money for the most bare necessities? Just from those few examples that we know of, it is clear that they could have used their budget better. That is why it shouldn't be Kimi's responsibility, he is not the one who designed the budget and he is not the one who is spending the money. 

 

 

On top of that Lotus could have handled the situation better. Why did Lotus at first insinuate that it was only Kimi's bonuses that was missing? Why did they have to lie publicly and said Kimi's salary was paid in full 4 weeks ago?

Lopez accused Kimi of only going to Ferrari because of the money, while they in fact haven't paid him anything for the whole season. At the same time Permane constantly has snide remarks, when Kimi's gets a podium he was only lucky, in Singapore Permane said that it was the most annoying podium ever and then Kimi got screamed at, in public. It is a lot of nonsense to put up with when are not getting paid.

Lotus could have been upfront about the situation, but instead they decided to act deceitful. There is simply no reason or explanation for why Lotus couldn't atleast have paid a portion of the salary to Kimi. Kimi is paying for his own accommodation and travelling to and from the races, could Lotus not at the very least have paid those costs? There is simply a lack of effort here. There is also a risk to racing, Kimi already injured his back in Singapore, that must surely be something to think about when you not getting paid. 

 

Everyone is repeating with certainty that Kimi will get paid at the end of the year, but there is no real guarantees about that, Lotus is engaging with investors that have murky backgrounds, and he will be leaving the team soon, what recourse would he then have on Lotus? Now that Kimi has spoken up, and people are aware of the issue, he might stand a better chance to get paid.   


Edited by intelligentsia, 04 November 2013 - 11:15.


#1914 MikeTekRacing

MikeTekRacing
  • Member

  • 5,784 posts
  • Joined: October 04

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:08

I think Kimi understands and KNOWS the situation better than you from your home sofa, so don't bother.

are you his lawyer or just speaking nonsense?

 

this is a forum, if you don't like debates don't join them.



#1915 halbvoll

halbvoll
  • Member

  • 49 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:13

well maybe they told him that the situation is shitty. But he lost his patience. I would understand it in 100%. I mean, someone can bear up with not being paid for month, two. But not for god damn almost year.

 

According to that SPIEGEL Online article, the accumulated debt from 2012 and 2013 is 16 mi Euro. They quote Steve Robertson as the source of information.

 

http://www.spiegel.d...h-a-931543.html



#1916 jedioriginal

jedioriginal
  • Member

  • 675 posts
  • Joined: August 13

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:14

are you his lawyer or just speaking nonsense?

this is a forum, if you don't like debates don't join them.

You do realise it is a bit ridiculous that you are giving advice to Kimi?'Cos one could think that Kimi,Robertson's and their lawyers has a bit better information about the situation,what really has happened. But what ever,im sure you know better:)

#1917 MikeTekRacing

MikeTekRacing
  • Member

  • 5,784 posts
  • Joined: October 04

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:15

Fool me once, fool me twice...

 

 

Kimi renegotiated his contract after last year because Lotus struggled to pay him. The team should have used their fiances better. Kimi didn't hold them at gunpoint to sign him, they agreed and signed a contract. The other employees and car performance ultimately isn't Kimi's responsibility he isn't the team owner. It is the team owners job to think about these things, and to budget accordingly.

Lotus wasted a lot of money to develop the PDRS for two years, couldn't they have used that money on real developments? They have used a lot of money on upgrading their simulator, they already had simulator if you had to choose between upgrading a simulator or paying the wages of the work force, then you should pay the workforce. Lotus also used millions on making expensive videos for marketing, couldn't that money have been used better? It is not just as simple as saying that Kimi should wait for his money because of car development or employees that have to be paid.

We dont have Lotus's full budget in front of us, we dont know how they are spending their money, are they actually just using their money for the most bare necessities? Just from those few examples that we know of, it is clear that they could have used their budget better. That is why it shouldn't be Kimi's responsibility, he is not the one who designed the budget and he is the one who is spending the money. 

 

 

On top of that Lotus could have handled the situation better. Why did Lotus at first insinuate that it was only Kimi's bonuses that was missing? Why did they have to lie publicly and said Kimi's salary was paid in full 4 weeks ago?

Lopez accused Kimi of only going to Ferrari because of the money, while they in fact haven't paid him anything for the whole season. At the same time Permane constantly has snide remarks, when Kimi's gets a podium he was only lucky, in Singapore Permane said that it was the most annoying podium ever and then Kimi got screamed at, in public. It is a lot of nonsense to put up with when are not getting paid.

Lotus could have been upfront about the situation, but instead they decided to act deceitful. There is simply no reason or explanation for why Lotus couldn't atleast have paid a portion of the salary to Kimi. Kimi is paying for his own accommodation and travelling to and from the races, could Lotus not at the very least have paid those costs? There is simply a lack of effort here. There is also a risk to racing, Kimi already injured his back in Singapore, that must surely be something to think about when you not getting paid. 

 

Everyone is repeating with certainty that Kimi will get paid at the end of the year, but there is no real guarantees about that, Lotus is engaging with investors that have murky backgrounds, and he will be leaving the team soon, what recourse would he then have on Lotus? Now that Kimi has spoken up, and people are aware of the issue, he might stand a better chance to get paid.   

it's not about the money. i agree completely he should be paid. it's a contract, agreed by both parties, no way out of a deal for Lotus and they have failed here.

about the development part...don't take it personally but have you managed any r&d project? lotus have done a fantastic job when people doubted they could keep the ball up. Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren have done far worse with probably more impressive budgets. they deserve praise there, kimi has been LUCKY to be in such a team and he doesn't seem to behave like that.

 

he behaves like an a$$ with his team over the radio (not shouting but also not polite). well guess what, that doesn't win you friends and people will bite back the first time that get the chance. 

 

they have failed to pay him and shouldn't have shouted. however he's far from perfect either, that's why I said they both need a cold shower



#1918 MikeTekRacing

MikeTekRacing
  • Member

  • 5,784 posts
  • Joined: October 04

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:18

You do realise it is a bit ridiculous that you are giving advice to Kimi?'Cos one could think that Kimi,Robertson's and their lawyers has a bit better information about the situation,what really has happened. But what ever,im sure you know better:)

I don't talk about contracts. there he is 100% right, he needs to get paid by Lotus. period.

 

i talk about the fact that he's been lucky to be in such a team. the fact that he delivered very well does not take anything away from the good team that was behind him in his comeback.



#1919 jedioriginal

jedioriginal
  • Member

  • 675 posts
  • Joined: August 13

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:24

I don't talk about contracts. there he is 100% right, he needs to get paid by Lotus. period.

i talk about the fact that he's been lucky to be in such a team. the fact that he delivered very well does not take anything away from the good team that was behind him in his comeback.

Ok. With this i agree 100%

Advertisement

#1920 Cyanide

Cyanide
  • Member

  • 3,169 posts
  • Joined: October 11

Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:33

And the award for dumbest comment of the year goes to...

 

Kimi & Lotus , it's a shame for F1, both!



#1921 intelligentsia

intelligentsia
  • Member

  • 2,357 posts
  • Joined: October 07

Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:24

 

it's not about the money. i agree completely he should be paid. it's a contract, agreed by both parties, no way out of a deal for Lotus and they have failed here.

about the development part...don't take it personally but have you managed any r&d project? lotus have done a fantastic job when people doubted they could keep the ball up. Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren have done far worse with probably more impressive budgets. they deserve praise there, kimi has been LUCKY to be in such a team and he doesn't seem to behave like that.

 

he behaves like an a$$ with his team over the radio (not shouting but also not polite). well guess what, that doesn't win you friends and people will bite back the first time that get the chance. 

 

they have failed to pay him and shouldn't have shouted. however he's far from perfect either, that's why I said they both need a cold shower

 

Lotus has done a good this season with development, no doubt about it. And I agree that they have clearly done a better job then some other teams with bigger budgets, Lotus has some great people working for them. But clearly the management of the team could have used their budget even better, and that is their responsibility. Everyone has live within their means, or cope with what they have, it isn't Kimi's fault if they cant live within their means. 

 

Kimi is a professional driver, and one the best drivers in F1, he didn't just get to where he is because of luck. He is good at what he does, and as a result he gets paid for what he does. If you said a pay driver should be lucky to be in the team, then fair enough. 

Lotus is also very lucky to have Kimi, their options for 2012 before Kimi was in the picture, was between Petrov and Senna. If Kimi haven't been driving the car then all of the good work of the team would have been for nothing, because the team would just have appeared like any normal midfield team, with the occasional good results. In the hands of Kimi the car became one of the top cars, if Kimi haven't been driving the car then no one would have known how good the car was. On top of that Lotus got Kimi for a bargain he even renegotiated his contract this season to earn less then what was originally agreed upon, Kimi currently earns the least out of all of the WDC, he earns less then the no.2 drivers in the top teams. Would Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton actually join Lotus? Lotus was lucky in this situation but they have pushed their luck to far, the irony is that Kimi would properly have stayed with the team, if they had only honored his contract.  

 

Kimi can be rude and blunt at times, but at least gets the job done and he was on his way to win a race during those radio messages, which he did win. Permane also seems to have a blunt personality, but he is a senior figure in the team, when he screamed at Kimi, it was because he didn't do his job properly, if he did his job properly from the start then Kimi would never have been in that situation. There is difference in getting your job done, and screaming to cover up your own deficiencies, then to crown it off you tell the media how disappointed you are with the driver and you jump on twitter and discuss the matter with his fans, that is very mature. For a senior team member that is certainly not very professional. And for all of these public events we simply dont know what Kimi's relationship is with his own mechanics,  they wear the radio T-shirts at the races, so perhaps they are not trying "bite" KImi in the "back" every chance they get. Kimi has never been rude to Permane in public, and Permane wasn't on the other end those radio messages in Abu Dhabi. 

For all of Kimi's bluntness and rude behavior he does not lie or try to deceive the public, and he doesn't speak out about his team or against his team in public. When has Kimi ever made snide remarks about Boullier, Permane or Lopez in the media? Even after the event at the Indian GP, Kimi didn't say anything negative about Permane. 

 

There is no reason whatsoever why Lotus had to lie about this salary in public, or why they didn't try to at least pay Kimi's traveling and accommodation expenses. You might perceive Kimi as an a$$ which is fine, but at least he isn't a lying, deceitful a$$ who doesn't pay his debts.  



#1922 Wolfie

Wolfie
  • Member

  • 1,330 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:52

Parts from Jukka Mildh:

 

 

* Kimi Räikkönen let the situation go unusually far. Lotus didn't follow the schedule of paying his salaries last year either. Now things in the team are even more messed up. This has been known already when the season began. Yet Räikkönen and his manager have been surprisingly patient. I would even say too kind.

* On Räikkönen's behalf money is the main issue; several millions. Not paying is the most substantial breach of contract one can do.

* Before signing the Ferrari-contract he simply could not afford to skip races. And I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about the driver's prestige. Making results on track was much more valuable than getting the money from Lotus when thinking of the future.

* The whole tangle exploded in their hands when it was clear that Räikkönen is really going to Ferrari. The co-existence with Lotus practcially ended right there. The final countdown began. There was no real reason to be silent and just bear with the situation. This had nothing to do with his driver performances. Räikkönen had a clean report; he had done an impeccable job.

* Disputes over salaries, radio discussions, speculations about the team's icy atmosphere has been an efficient media campaign, which Lotus lost. Räikkönen got to show his power and get even more appreciation above the team. Only a few drivers in history have managed to wrap a team around their little finger in the same way. I can only remember one driver: Ayrton Senna. Whatever Senna wanted from McLaren and whatever he said in public was approved by Ron Dennis.

* Tense radio discussions are only one visible indication of Lotus-team's unstable situation. n these situations the genuine personal chemistry surface. During crisis real emotions and attitudes come out. Hypocracy vanishes and the truth is revealed.

* Räikkönen finally got enough after they accused him of supposedly not keeping the team's interests in mind. After the Ferrari-announcement some in the team probably felt that "Kimi is no longer interested in us" and started to talk out loud about it. Can anyone think - and act - more childish?

* Until the whole amount is paid Räikkönen has been - and is - one of Lotus-team's biggest, if not the biggest sponsor. And at the same time he has performed top results on the track.

* One can hardly prove their own committment and loyalty any stronger than that.

http://yle.fi/urheil... ... ta/6915757

 



#1923 Jon83

Jon83
  • Member

  • 1,925 posts
  • Joined: November 11

Posted 04 November 2013 - 13:16

Leaving the track early isn't a new thing. I think it was the Spanish GP in 2007 whilst driving for Ferrari, he left after the car broke down. Hardly worthy of discussion.



#1924 JeePee

JeePee
  • Member

  • 591 posts
  • Joined: December 11

Posted 04 November 2013 - 13:21

In Monaco '06 he didn't even return to the pits :p



#1925 FirstWatt

FirstWatt
  • Member

  • 422 posts
  • Joined: February 12

Posted 04 November 2013 - 13:28

Parts from Jukka Mildh:

[...]Until the whole amount is paid Räikkönen has been - and is - one of Lotus-team's biggest, if not the biggest sponsor.[...]

:drunk:  So he is a pay driver now .... :drunk:

 

Just to cheer you all up a bit, come on, there are other things in life than living in anger because someone doesn't pay Kimi (though it's something which cannot be accepted of course).

Apart that, he is right to challenging them now as now he still has something in his hands in this dispute. Lotus needs his points he'll get until end of season. After the last race, there is nothing he can do other than go to court.


Edited by FirstWatt, 04 November 2013 - 13:29.


#1926 Oho

Oho
  • Member

  • 7,734 posts
  • Joined: November 98

Posted 04 November 2013 - 13:57

After the last race, there is nothing he can do other than go to court

 

Well that should be plenty as he probably can put Lotus into receivership and effectively shut it down.


Edited by Oho, 04 November 2013 - 13:58.


#1927 Kimifinfan

Kimifinfan
  • Member

  • 125 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 04 November 2013 - 14:00

Thiere is more to it than just the Money, guys and gals....

 

This also has to do with the technical side as well, Lotus stopped supporting kimi once the Ferrari deal was announced. At the same time this storey started was the same time they came out with the LWB car. Lotus said that it was a half a second faster in the simulator. But is it? did they ever prove it? During The first LWB test Kimi did not like it and did not believe it was faster so they decided to start that race with the SWB car. But, once the deal was done vola the LWB car comes out making Kimi look bad and Romain the wonder boy. This race the SWB is back for Kimi and he out-qualifies Romain in the LWB car that is supposedly a half a second faster.   

 

Comon



#1928 kimister

kimister
  • Member

  • 1,009 posts
  • Joined: May 12

Posted 04 November 2013 - 17:56

Shock new F1 poverty study

 

A shocking new report released today by the European Economic Institute Of Europe claims that at least one in every 22 Formula 1 drivers is currently living in poverty.

 

The report is based on a case study of a Scandinavian driver who, according to EEIOE analysts, has not earned any money all year and yet is forced to keep working in the hope that he will eventually receive a pay cheque. The driver is anonymous and throughout the report is referred to only as ‘Kimi’.

 

‘We were alarmed at the level of poverty ‘Kimi’ endures,’ noted EEIOE’s Head of Research, Ed Ovresearch. ‘During the course of our study we discovered that he has had to sell at least two of his speedboats, take extra passengers on his private jet and desperately glug the dregs from bottles of free Champagne in public.’

 

‘What is particularly sad about this is that our subject has a great deal of talent yet no money,’ Ovresearch continued. ‘This makes him the exact opposite of another driver in our survey who we refer to only as ‘Max’.’

 

http://sniffpetrol.c...-poverty-study/ 

 

:rotfl:  :rotfl:  :lol: 


Edited by kimister, 04 November 2013 - 17:56.


#1929 KKKR

KKKR
  • New Member

  • 6 posts
  • Joined: November 13

Posted 04 November 2013 - 21:05

Kimi pays for his own flights. He can leave the track anytime he wants. 



#1930 metz

metz
  • Member

  • 9,790 posts
  • Joined: July 01

Posted 04 November 2013 - 21:10

Did we spot some Finnish humour?

 

and they said it doesn't exist...... :cool:



#1931 bourbon

bourbon
  • Member

  • 7,192 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 05 November 2013 - 02:25

Shock new F1 poverty study

 

A shocking new report released today by the European Economic Institute Of Europe claims that at least one in every 22 Formula 1 drivers is currently living in poverty.

 

The report is based on a case study of a Scandinavian driver who, according to EEIOE analysts, has not earned any money all year and yet is forced to keep working in the hope that he will eventually receive a pay cheque. The driver is anonymous and throughout the report is referred to only as ‘Kimi’.

 

‘We were alarmed at the level of poverty ‘Kimi’ endures,’ noted EEIOE’s Head of Research, Ed Ovresearch. ‘During the course of our study we discovered that he has had to sell at least two of his speedboats, take extra passengers on his private jet and desperately glug the dregs from bottles of free Champagne in public.’

 

‘What is particularly sad about this is that our subject has a great deal of talent yet no money,’ Ovresearch continued. ‘This makes him the exact opposite of another driver in our survey who we refer to only as ‘Max’.’

 

http://sniffpetrol.c...-poverty-study/ 

 

:rotfl:  :rotfl:  :lol: 

 

LOL. :up:



#1932 quidam

quidam
  • Member

  • 188 posts
  • Joined: June 12

Posted 05 November 2013 - 05:48

Yes very poor  :lol:

 

http://www.f1i.com/p...84#main-content

 

click on the picture to see his very poor house.



#1933 Oho

Oho
  • Member

  • 7,734 posts
  • Joined: November 98

Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:08

Yes very poor  :lol:

 

http://www.f1i.com/p...84#main-content

 

click on the picture to see his very poor house.

 

 

So which way do you want it? For my taste people in your demographics have frequently argued that Räikkönen made his way back into F1 only for squandering all his dough needing to boost his bank balance and now he suddenly is well enough off to be expected to pay for the privilege of driving an F1 car for a team which clearly does not appreciate him despite him having been instrumental in about 70% of the teams tangible results on track over the past two seasons.

 

Oh if that's his house, well the man does not only have money he also seems to have taste and style.


Edited by Oho, 05 November 2013 - 07:10.


#1934 eronrules

eronrules
  • Member

  • 3,231 posts
  • Joined: January 12

Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:50

BBCF1 - http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/24798486

 

 

.... It got worse after the race (indian gp), with Permane accusing Raikkonen of "not being a team player". Raikkonen, who has scored a comfortable majority of Lotus's points in the last two seasons, took extreme exception to that and when he flew back home to Switzerland from Delhi he seriously considered not coming to Abu Dhabi at all. .....

 benson gives his 2 cents on the raikkonen-lotus issues

 

@ Redreni ...  :rotfl:



#1935 santababy

santababy
  • Member

  • 419 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:50

So which way do you want it? For my taste people in your demographics have frequently argued that Räikkönen made his way back into F1 only for squandering all his dough needing to boost his bank balance and now he suddenly is well enough off to be expected to pay for the privilege of driving an F1 car for a team which clearly does not appreciate him despite him having been instrumental in about 70% of the teams tangible results on track over the past two seasons.
 
Oh if that's his house, well the man does not only have money he also seems to have taste and style.


Good one Oho!
This his house in Switzerland. He has an even nicer house in Finland. Haters gonna hate.

#1936 Lee Nicolle

Lee Nicolle
  • Member

  • 6,138 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 05 November 2013 - 09:01

Good one Oho!
This his house in Switzerland. He has an even nicer house in Finland. Haters gonna hate.


Probably both mortgaged. He needs his salary to pay those mortgages. He can afford the mortgages however IF he is paid his salary.


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 05 November 2013 - 09:01.


#1937 Oho

Oho
  • Member

  • 7,734 posts
  • Joined: November 98

Posted 05 November 2013 - 10:00

 


Probably both mortgaged. He needs his salary to pay those mortgages. He can afford the mortgages however IF he is paid his salary.

 

Somehow I doubt that, even at 20 million a pop the properties would only amount to about 30% of his estimated net worth at 2012.



#1938 Gilles4Ever

Gilles4Ever
  • RC Forum Admin

  • 20,593 posts
  • Joined: June 04

Posted 05 November 2013 - 10:22

Looks like this thread has run it's course, it's more a Kimi thread discussing his houses than Kimi's relationship with Lotus.