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#1 Anonymous

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:36

Interesting stuff :D

 

http://escapeartistd...d-liveries.html

 

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#2 keiichi

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:39

Pretty good stuff. For me, any of them look way better than the majority of the liveries we see nowadays in F1.



#3 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:40

very cool, just shows how shitty some current liveries are.



#4 JHSingo

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:44

Thank god this wasn't a thread containing yet more pictures of cars in Gulf/JPS colours.

 

Don't get me wrong, great liveries, but they've been rather done to death recently. Pretty sure you could form a racing series right now of cars just in those two liveries.



#5 johnmhinds

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:45

I really hope McLaren go back to those colours when their Honda engine deal starts.



#6 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:48

Should have a NSFW warning :love:  :p



#7 stillOrange

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:52

Simple. Clean (most of them). Beautiful.

#8 katmen

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:16

DAMN!  :love:



#9 10e10

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:47

That McLaren and Williams are almost too good for the eye!



#10 Ali_G

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:55

Would love to see the return of the red and white McLaren.  The Chrome livery is simply disgusting.



#11 SenorSjon

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:59

It shows how crap current designs are. Those old ones from early '90s look very nice </pink glasses>

 

The Ferrari crimson is long gone for some kinda Marlboro red... bring back the black wings as well. The old McLaren livery is to me more iconic than the current one. The West livery was also very nice, but the current one is a bit meh in my book. To many sponsors have used the same livery (Vodafone, Lucazade?) on that team.

 

Oddly enough, the best ones were with tabacco sponsoring...


Edited by SenorSjon, 22 October 2013 - 13:00.


#12 Ali_G

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:04

I actually didn't mind the older McLaren West livery of black and grey.  Thought it was kinda edgy in fact. 

 

Seeing a deep Scarlet red on the Ferrari would indeed be a welcome sign.  Ferraris haven't been the right colour since 1995 and the 412 T2.  Seeing a return to black on the rear wing endplate would also be nice.

 

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:12

Is it nostalgia, or are the cars genuinly uglier than they used to be?

 

All of the above liveries look so much cleaner than more balanced than what we have today. I still can't get used to the look of the current cars. I have never got used to the skinny back wings/oversized snow plough front wing and platypus nose combo, I think they are just plain ugly at the moment. I didn't much care for the days of 2008 era excessive wingletts and aero bits all over the cars either.

 

I have to admit the above cars do look decent side on, but from the front? No thanks.

 

What is so hard to produce something that looks simple, balanced and clean?


Edited by spacekid, 22 October 2013 - 13:12.


#14 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:19

I actually didn't mind the older McLaren West livery of black and grey.  Thought it was kinda edgy in fact. 

 

Seeing a deep Scarlet red on the Ferrari would indeed be a welcome sign.  Ferraris haven't been the right colour since 1995 and the 412 T2. 

 

1996 and the F310 too. Marlboro red came in in 97 IIRC.



#15 Mrluke

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:23

I think half the problem is that Tobacco companies marketed their colour scheme as much as their name (if not more) therefore the colours were carefully chosen by a marketing team and I would imagine they had a good say in the team liveries. Now it doesnt really seem to matter. 



#16 Gorma

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:27

I actually didn't mind the older McLaren West livery of black and grey.  Thought it was kinda edgy in fact. 

 

Seeing a deep Scarlet red on the Ferrari would indeed be a welcome sign.  Ferraris haven't been the right colour since 1995 and the 412 T2.  Seeing a return to black on the rear wing endplate would also be nice.

Actually scarlet red is more of an orange which the team ran 1996-2007 for Marlboro's sake. 



#17 ViMaMo

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:53

Williams and Mclaren  :eek:  :eek:  :clap:  :clap:



#18 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:58

I think half the problem is that Tobacco companies marketed their colour scheme as much as their name (if not more) therefore the colours were carefully chosen by a marketing team and I would imagine they had a good say in the team liveries. Now it doesnt really seem to matter. 

 

It's always going to help when your sponsor sells directly to the public, as their brand awareness is going to be very important.

 

Actually I'd say the Williams livery was a particular triumph in that it wasn't the colour scheme of one brand. It was Williams own blue combined with Canon's white and ICI's (later Camel's) yellow. That it worked and is so fondly remembered is a credit to the designers.



#19 SenorSjon

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:27

Is it nostalgia, or are the cars genuinly uglier than they used to be?

 

All of the above liveries look so much cleaner than more balanced than what we have today. I still can't get used to the look of the current cars. I have never got used to the skinny back wings/oversized snow plough front wing and platypus nose combo, I think they are just plain ugly at the moment. I didn't much care for the days of 2008 era excessive wingletts and aero bits all over the cars either.

 

I have to admit the above cars do look decent side on, but from the front? No thanks.

 

What is so hard to produce something that looks simple, balanced and clean?

 

It is one major complaint of many people.

 

They are slower and uglier and have to much rules these days. They race drive around on more and more ugly tracks with empty grandstands. Actually, helmet designs are on the same path. Most of them are busy things with many details which are lost on camera. You used to be able to spot a helmet from a distance.


Edited by SenorSjon, 22 October 2013 - 14:28.


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#20 barrykm

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 15:22

Tyrrell is lovely... :up: Hesketh and GLTL are great as well. IMHO.



#21 Andrew Hope

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 15:27

All of these are very nice. I wish I had some Photoshop skillz so I could throw some of these on new cars:

 

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Thank god this wasn't a thread containing yet more pictures of cars in Gulf/JPS colours.

 

Don't get me wrong, great liveries, but they've been rather done to death recently. Pretty sure you could form a racing series right now of cars just in those two liveries.

JPS colors are good but not great. Never got the fuss over Gulf colors myself.

 

The old ORECA livery, on the other hand..

 

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:love:

 

 

 

 



#22 stanga

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 15:46

There's something about gold and navy which just looks classy.



#23 CSquared

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 15:50

The current cars are still hideous. There's no covering that up.

#24 Lemans

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 15:57

The current cars are still hideous. There's no covering that up.

 

Very true. They are way too long. They look ponderous in profile.



#25 dionisi

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 17:09

Jordan was just and already 10 years ago. renault`s livery for 2010 looked also nice. 

i would also add on list

parmalat brabham

leyton house

ligier

matra in incredible french racing blue



#26 Amphicar

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 17:19

It's always going to help when your sponsor sells directly to the public, as their brand awareness is going to be very important.

 

Actually I'd say the Williams livery was a particular triumph in that it wasn't the colour scheme of one brand. It was Williams own blue combined with Canon's white and ICI's (later Camel's) yellow. That it worked and is so fondly remembered is a credit to the designers.

I don't think the blue was particularly Williams's own. Before the FW10 the Williams cars tended to feature green rather than blue. The blue on the FW10 was associated with increased Denim branding in 1985 (denim blue) but was continued in subsequent years because blue also featured in the corporate colours of Mobil, ICI, Labatts, ELF, Camel and Rothmans - all of which were significant Williams sponsors in those years. It all changed with the FW20 and FW21 and the switch to Winfield red before darker BMW/Compaq blue highlights returned on the basically white FW22.

 

Having said that, the Williams liveries between 1985 and 1997 were an object lesson in how to integrate different sponsors harmoniously. By contrast, the Renault R27 and R28 were a masterclass in how not to do it.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 17:22

I actually didn't mind the older McLaren West livery of black and grey.  Thought it was kinda edgy in fact. 

 

Seeing a deep Scarlet red on the Ferrari would indeed be a welcome sign.  Ferraris haven't been the right colour since 1995 and the 412 T2.  Seeing a return to black on the rear wing endplate would also be nice.

 

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Wasn't the '09 Ferrari in scarlet red??  :confused:  (What was it called again, was it F60?)



#28 SenorSjon

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 17:59

Wasn't it metallic red? I do hope they use black wings again.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 18:25

That Jordan...



#30 RealRacing

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 18:25

Hmm I think there are much better ones than they chose:

 

1. Williams looked better in 1994, as Winfield in 1999 and in 2000 (was that black or very dark blue?):

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2. McLaren: what's so nice about a cigarette box translated into a car. Silver Arrows with Mika and DC were much better.

 

3. Benetton: much nicer liveries than that one in the 80s and with MS in the 90s

 

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4. Lotus looked better in the JPS livery.

 

5. Brabham and Tyrell look sweet!

 

But best looking car ever:

 

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Edited by RealRacing, 22 October 2013 - 20:38.


#31 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 19:05

I don't think the blue was particularly Williams's own. Before the FW10 the Williams cars tended to feature green rather than blue. The blue on the FW10 was associated with increased Denim branding in 1985 (denim blue) but was continued in subsequent years because blue also featured in the corporate colours of Mobil, ICI, Labatts, ELF, Camel and Rothmans - all of which were significant Williams sponsors in those years. It all changed with the FW20 and FW21 and the switch to Winfield red before darker BMW/Compaq blue highlights returned on the basically white FW22.

 

Having said that, the Williams liveries between 1985 and 1997 were an object lesson in how to integrate different sponsors harmoniously. By contrast, the Renault R27 and R28 were a masterclass in how not to do it.

 

 

Well blue was (and still is to some extent) certainly Williams own colour. The green came from the Saudia sponsorship which ended at the end of '84. But good point about how Denim fitted in back then.

 

However when Rothmans came aboard they became the dominant factor in the livery. The entire car was in Rothmans Blue/White with the gold/red stripes. But I agree with the rest.



#32 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 19:08

Hmm I think there are much better ones than they chose:

 

1. Williams looked better in 1994, as Winfield and in their first year with BMW I guess:

 

2. McLaren: what's so nice about a cigarette box translated into a car. Silver Arrows with Mika and DC were much better.

 

Nice contradiction in as many sentences  :p

 

But I do love the Rothmans Williams colours. Also the United Colours of Benetton colours were my favourite.



#33 Alfisti

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 19:18

That martini livery, always looks amazing. 



#34 RealRacing

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 20:44

Nice contradiction in as many sentences  :p

 

But I do love the Rothmans Williams colours. Also the United Colours of Benetton colours were my favourite.

Hmm, never have been a smoker but I don't think the West box looked like the Silver Arrows, the silver arrows were an homage to the original...Silver Arrows so more to do with Mercedes than West. The Winfield Williams maybe had the main colors of the cig box but many more details (including Woody) and other colors as well. So no, no contradiction there.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 21:18

Beautiful, I love all of them. 



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 21:22

I actually didn't mind the older McLaren West livery of black and grey.  Thought it was kinda edgy in fact. 

 

Seeing a deep Scarlet red on the Ferrari would indeed be a welcome sign.  Ferraris haven't been the right colour since 1995 and the 412 T2.  Seeing a return to black on the rear wing endplate would also be nice.

 

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There's a modernised version of that, it too is stunning - http://www.f1fanatic...2012-Livery.jpg



#37 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 21:22

Hmm, never have been a smoker but I don't think the West box looked like the Silver Arrows, the silver arrows were an homage to the original...Silver Arrows so more to do with Mercedes than West. The Winfield Williams maybe had the main colors of the cig box but many more details (including Woody) and other colors as well. So no, no contradiction there.

 

You said you liked the Rothmans livery (fag packet) and then immediately asked what was so nice about that concept in reference to the Marlboro McLaren.



#38 jrg19

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 21:27

This just emphasises how much the modern cars need big numbers on the side of the car.



#39 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 21:31

Thinking about it I'm kinda underwhelmed by the EJ11 livery, as the original car is a bit too modern to look all that different. I'd like to see either the original 7Up livery or the 1994 Sasol livery for a Jordan.



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#40 Andrew Hope

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 21:41

Thinking about it I'm kinda underwhelmed by the EJ11 livery, as the original car is a bit too modern to look all that different. I'd like to see either the original 7Up livery or the 1994 Sasol livery for a Jordan.

Ungh.

 

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#41 RealRacing

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 21:47

You said you liked the Rothmans livery (fag packet) and then immediately asked what was so nice about that concept in reference to the Marlboro McLaren.

Same argument as for Winfield. The MArlboro McLaren livery IMO is a racing cig box while the others, while using the same or some of the colors from the cig boxes or logos, did not basically translate the colors and design of the cig box to the car. Any way, don't think the MArlboro McLAren livery is particularly appealing. In fact, some of the MArlboro McLArens would have looked much better with other liveries, including cigarette brand ones.



#42 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 21:53

But best looking car ever:

 

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Just out of interest, do you prefer that livery or the late season version with the blue and white reversed? I prefer the latter.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 22:06

Just out of interest, do you prefer that livery or the late season version with the blue and white reversed? I prefer the latter.

Hard to say, they both look good but for the white-nosed one I think a blue line across the middle of the nose would have been better, just as there is a white line on the blue-nosed one...If you think about it, it is a pretty similar livery to the 2000 Williams, which I posted above and is also a pretty darn good-looking car overall...



#44 Andrew Hope

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 22:31

The Brabham blue and white looked sharp on the right cars. It's one of those team/color combos that works so well despite not being the best known color for the team.

 

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Arrows gold?

 

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Hesketh gold?

 

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McLaren orange?

 

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Jordan green.

 

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Arrows orange :love:.

 

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Well, they don't all work that well.

 

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 22:40

The Brabham BT55 was a stunning beast.

 

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#46 Amphicar

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 22:47

Well, they don't all work that well.

 

 

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Yet the Skoal livery worked quite well on Teo Fabi's Indy March

 

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 23:05

The Brabham BT55 was a stunning beast.

 

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Wonder how it measures in length vs the current snow-plowers...



#48 RealRacing

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 23:09

 

Arrows gold?

 

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My that Ferrari was ugly...



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 23:14

The Brabham BT55 was a stunning beast.

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Beautiful looking car!

But I'm not sure this livery would work on current car. It looked stunning there as it complimented the simple lines of the car.

#50 Lotus72b

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 02:15

Interesting stuff :D

 

http://escapeartistd...d-liveries.html

 

f1-old-williams.jpg

 

f1-old-mclaren.jpg

 

f1-old-tyrrell.jpg

 

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Interesting stuff :D

 

http://escapeartistd...d-liveries.html

 

f1-old-williams.jpg

 

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Unbelievable!!!!!