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#51 911

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 03:41

I've always been a fan of the old Tyrrell livery.  Simple & clean.



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#52 William Hunt

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 04:59

I especially love the blue nr 4 Tyrrell



#53 PayasYouRace

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:09

Wonder how it measures in length vs the current snow-plowers...

 

It's surprisingly hard to find the data on F1 cars. Obviously the latest cars have closely guarded dimensions but even the historic ones aren't that easy to find.

 

A modern F1 car is about 5 m long. That is the quoted length of the FW35.

The FW11 of 1986 was only 4.21 m long. That appears to be typical of the time.

 

Now here's some wheelbase lengths I found:

 

BT55 - 3.048 m

FW11 - 2.794 m

MP4/2C - 2.794 m

 

So assuming a similar amount of overhang, we can deduce that the BT55 was about 4.5 m long at most. That's still considerably shorter than a modern car.

 

I've actually noticed on my 1/43 model collection that the current cars are huge. Since 2010 they've even been coming in longer boxes.



#54 Ali_G

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:48

The BT55 looks long for a few reasons.

 

1.  No airbox behind the drivers head.

2.  Low sidepods, due to not needing near as much cooling as todays cars.



#55 SenorSjon

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:07

It's surprisingly hard to find the data on F1 cars. Obviously the latest cars have closely guarded dimensions but even the historic ones aren't that easy to find.

 

A modern F1 car is about 5 m long. That is the quoted length of the FW35.

The FW11 of 1986 was only 4.21 m long. That appears to be typical of the time.

 

Now here's some wheelbase lengths I found:

 

BT55 - 3.048 m

FW11 - 2.794 m

MP4/2C - 2.794 m

 

So assuming a similar amount of overhang, we can deduce that the BT55 was about 4.5 m long at most. That's still considerably shorter than a modern car.

 

I've actually noticed on my 1/43 model collection that the current cars are huge. Since 2010 they've even been coming in longer boxes.

 

Don't forget cars got smaller and smaller. They were much wider and have been made smaller to reduce mechanical grip (and thus introducing wake and aero problems for close following).



#56 Les

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:20

The BT55 looks long for a few reasons.

 

1.  No airbox behind the drivers head.

2.  Low sidepods, due to not needing near as much cooling as todays cars.

 

Plus drivers were sitting right at the front of the car, feet far forward of the front wheels, which explains why many drivers of those days walk with a limp now. 



#57 Lotus53B

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:34

Plus drivers were sitting right at the front of the car, feet far forward of the front wheels, which explains why many drivers of those days walk with a limp now. 

I always think of the images of the stripped 6-wheel tyrell when I think of this http://farm5.staticf...16c475c68_z.jpg and http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/126707/ronnie-inline.jpg for example.

 

Things have changed, just a atad



#58 PayasYouRace

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:35

Don't forget cars got smaller and smaller. They were much wider and have been made smaller to reduce mechanical grip (and thus introducing wake and aero problems for close following).

 

Regulations have forced the cars to get significantly narrower, and technology has allowed them to get skinnier, but they have also got longer and longer. Current cars actually dwarf the cars of the past unless you look at them from the front.



#59 Kobasmashi

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:49

Wow these current cars look 10 times sleeker without the T-cam

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#60 SenorSjon

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:17

With current mobile technology, the T-Cam is way to big. It looks better than the old silver ones that stood vertical on the rollbar.



#61 stillOrange

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:27

I always think of the images of the stripped 6-wheel tyrell when I think of this http://farm5.staticf...16c475c68_z.jpg and http://www.auto123.c...nnie-inline.jpg for example.

Things have changed, just a atad


:) it does look like a cart with oversized engine at the back

#62 Lotus53B

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:47

Two pages and no-one's mentioned the finest of them all - JPS Lotus...alas I can't 'shop to save myself...

 

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Edited by Lotus53B, 23 October 2013 - 11:49.


#63 wrighty

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:55

Two pages and no-one's mentioned the finest of them all - JPS Lotus...alas I can't 'shop to save myself...

 

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http://forums.autosp...cars/?p=6471433 lol (post 4 in this thread.....)

Have to agree, the BT55 is the most stunning car imaginable, certainly in this thread, and unfortunately for the tainted reputation it has (RIP Elio) it was well ahead of its time....no mean achievement in F1!


Edited by wrighty, 23 October 2013 - 11:55.


#64 zachary2142

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 12:09

Alright, I'll offer an unpopular opinion - Williams, Mclaren liveries were ugly then and look ugly on these shops. JPS Lotus livery was also ugly for me.

Hesketh and Jordan on the other hand... Gorgeous. I also liked the Renault 2010 and BMW Sauber liveries.



#65 W154

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 12:13

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought I was going to see a photograph of a current Lotus that actually looked like a Lotus........BRG with a yellow stripe down the middle.

#66 BobbyRicky

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 13:04

That Mclaren one is absolutely hideous.



#67 king_crud

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 13:29

Unbelievable!!!!!

I wondered if someone would quote the whole original post in their reply. Not only did you quote it, you quoted it twice. Bravo. 



#68 SenorSjon

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 13:57

If any, I liked the Camel Lotus more (have a Tamiya model of one). I never understood the JPS fuss. I presume if Senna didn't drive it, nobody would care.



#69 RealRacing

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 15:05

It's surprisingly hard to find the data on F1 cars. Obviously the latest cars have closely guarded dimensions but even the historic ones aren't that easy to find.

 

A modern F1 car is about 5 m long. That is the quoted length of the FW35.

The FW11 of 1986 was only 4.21 m long. That appears to be typical of the time.

 

Now here's some wheelbase lengths I found:

 

BT55 - 3.048 m

FW11 - 2.794 m

MP4/2C - 2.794 m

 

So assuming a similar amount of overhang, we can deduce that the BT55 was about 4.5 m long at most. That's still considerably shorter than a modern car.

 

I've actually noticed on my 1/43 model collection that the current cars are huge. Since 2010 they've even been coming in longer boxes.

Good job! It's all a matter of proportions I guess. The security capsule (or whatever it's called) must take a minimum amount of space in today's cars I guess so that's already a factor to make them longer. And, as already said, the rule that the driver's legs have to be in front of the axle, probably adds to that too. Some amazing pictures here of how precarious the driver position and the construction of those Tyrrell's were; yeah, basically a go-kart with a huge engine. Somewhat related, I watched "1" yesterday and loved it. For me it was worth watching just for the footage of the old cars...

By the way, can someone recommend a good book or page with the evolution of the F1 cars? Cheers.


Edited by RealRacing, 23 October 2013 - 15:18.


#70 jcbc3

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 15:37

If any, I liked the Camel Lotus more (have a Tamiya model of one). I never understood the JPS fuss. I presume if Senna didn't drive it, nobody would care.

 

The JPS 'fuss' has 2% to do with Senna and 98% with Fittipaldi and Peterson.  ;)



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 15:44

By the way, can someone recommend a good book or page with the evolution of the F1 cars? Cheers.

 

This might be a good start

 

http://www.fijen.net...eams/index.html



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 16:09

The JPS 'fuss' has 2% to do with Senna and 98% with Fittipaldi and Peterson.  ;)

Andretti winning the title in one of the best-looking F1 cars ever might have had something to do with it, too.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 16:17

Dude I was a Senna fanboy but that has nothing to do with it. I instantly fell in love with that livery.

 

Black & Gold especially as it is on the JPS Lotus is one of my favourite and I would say one of the best and coolest colour combinations PERIOD :cool:


Edited by EvanRainer, 23 October 2013 - 16:18.


#74 JHSingo

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 16:19

JPS colors are good but not great. Never got the fuss over Gulf colors myself.

 

The old ORECA livery, on the other hand..

 

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:love:

 

Agreed. Although on the Le Mans/sports car racing note, I think these have to be my favourite ones:

 

Flying Lizard's special livery they used at Le Mans a couple of years back.

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Although their normal one is still cool too.

 

American-Le-Mans-Series-Porsche-911-GT3-

 

Just a shame they aren't the works Porsche squad in America any more.

 

Falken Tire's livery is awesome as well.

 

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Edited by JHSingo, 23 October 2013 - 16:20.


#75 RealRacing

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 16:32

This might be a good start

 

http://www.fijen.net...eams/index.html

Thanks, very nice.

 

Meanwhile, I found this https://plus.google....partnerid=gplp0.


Edited by RealRacing, 23 October 2013 - 17:15.


#76 Andrew Hope

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 16:32

Everything Flying Lizard does I'm happy they do.

 

Falken livery is good because it's so recognizable. No one who sees a car painted like that has any doubt what team is entering the car. Looks nice at night too.

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 17:06

Agreed. Although on the Le Mans/sports car racing note, I think these have to be my favourite ones:

 

Flying Lizard's

 

Although their normal one is still cool too.

 

FL special: what about bmw artcars? 

their usual: i felt in love when i saw Loeb`s carrera in Barcelona earlier this year. it perfectly fits thread :clap:

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#78 Ali_G

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 17:15

Anyone else like the aqua marine Leyton House March's from the late 80s ?

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 17:16

I should have said earlier but I think the Tyrrell one on page one is stunning! Clean and Simple. 

 

I should add all cars these days should have a big recognisable number like that. 


Edited by Les, 23 October 2013 - 17:19.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 18:08

Lots of people seem to like the white & dark blue Olivetti or Parmalat sponsored Brabhams - but a few years later at the sorry end of the Brabham story their livery was a real shocker:

 

Brabham2_92_shiningboard_blog72_fc2_com.

 

The Moneytron sponsored Onyx wasn't much better:

 

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and even Tyrrell didn't always get it right:

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 18:53

Anyone else like the aqua marine Leyton House March's from the late 80s ?

 

4920124146_1970b0a166_z.jpg

 

Awwh yeah.

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 20:15

Awwh yeah.

 

Anyone else like the aqua marine Leyton House March's from the late 80s ?

 

4920124146_1970b0a166_z.jpg

 

 

 

Not sure whether I prefer that one (1990 I think) or one of these:

 

1988 http://www.mbmodelca...ars-m-r-photo/#

 

1989

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or 1991 (almost identical but without the bump)

 

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These were all designed by Newey I think.



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 20:47

 

 

These were all designed by Newey I think.

 

The 1990 car was Newey's last for March.



#84 Andrew Hope

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 20:52

I made an breast cancer awareness version for Marlboroctober.

 

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#85 RedOne

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 21:26

Top 3 are the best of that bunch IMO

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 22:11

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#87 RealRacing

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 23:00

The 1990 car was Newey's last for March.

I guess for 1991 they just got rid of the bump because the car looks almost identical to its predecessor.



#88 Myrvold

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 23:50

There have been so many awesome cars!

 

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But the best of all (or maybe it's just the picture)
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So slow, but so nice!



#89 Brother Fox

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 23:55

I simply dont get the love for Marlboro Mclaren. Its good, simple and bold but not as stunning as people say.

Undermining my first point, I think the Hesketh is nice for its simplicity.

 

 

But the B&H Jordan & Martini Brabham get my vote.

Always loved the Jordan look with the shark mouth & black/yellow contast and the striping on the Brabham is just perfect.

 

 

In summary, banning cigarette advertsing has created ugly liveries :)



#90 senna da silva

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 00:03

Agree with the Prost GP above. Crap cars and crappier team principal but beautiful colours!  :D



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 00:04

Anyone else like the aqua marine Leyton House March's from the late 80s ?

 

4920124146_1970b0a166_z.jpg

Yes, very much, although the BP green sort of spoils it.



#92 Kucki

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 00:05

Man those 90s cars was Formula 1 in its prime. A current F1 looks like an F3 car.



#93 Lemans

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 00:10

It's funny, the Parmalat livery on the early 80's Brabham's was designed by Peter Stevens. Those cars were of course designed by Gordon Murray. About 10 years later, they both teamed up again to design the McLaren F1 road car. It seems when those two gentlemen get together, beautiful, tasteful and iconic objects are created.



#94 pathogen

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 00:22

That martini livery, always looks amazing. 

IMO the classic sponsor in Racing History... Porsche, Lancia, Brabham (Ford and Alfa powered), Tecno...



#95 andrewr

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:08

The JPS 'fuss' has 2% to do with Senna and 98% with Fittipaldi and Peterson.  ;)

 

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#96 RealRacing

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:15

There have been so many awesome cars!

 

 

But the best of all (or maybe it's just the picture)
199235perrymccarthyandr.jpg

So slow, but so nice!

I'll forgive the Honda choice if you tell me what this is!



#97 Andrew Hope

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:46

I'll forgive the Honda choice if you tell me what this is!

That's Andrea Moda in 1992. Perry McCarthy at the wheel.

 

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:49

I'll forgive the Honda choice if you tell me what this is!

That is the (in)famous Andrea Moda from 1992. Even though the car, was reported to be a prototype for a BMW entry back in 1990. And was, as far as I know, Simtek's first try on a complete F1-car. (So, this car was indeed desgined by Nick Wirth & Co, which later worked on Simtek, and then went to Benetton, and was involved with Virgin Racing and the first Marussia car - but that you already knew.

"McCarthy another 10 seconds back, having suffered a flexing steering arm while hurtling through Eau Rouge - a fault which, amazingly, the team already knew about. Then halfway through the weekend, Belgian police came and arrested Sassetti on allegations of fraud. With that, the team was banned from the rest of the championship for bringing the sport into disrepute. It was the last act in a season where, if anything outrageous could happen to Andrea Moda, it usually did."

 

I got ninja'd by Mr.Hope, but that's just because he was lazy and just answered, without any more background! Shame on him!



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:54

That is the (in)famous Andrea Moda from 1992. Even though the car, was reported to be a prototype for a BMW entry back in 1990. And was, as far as I know, Simtek's first try on a complete F1-car. (So, this car was indeed desgined by Nick Wirth & Co, which later worked on Simtek, and then went to Benetton, and was involved with Virgin Racing and the first Marussia car - but that you already knew.

"McCarthy another 10 seconds back, having suffered a flexing steering arm while hurtling through Eau Rouge - a fault which, amazingly, the team already knew about. Then halfway through the weekend, Belgian police came and arrested Sassetti on allegations of fraud. With that, the team was banned from the rest of the championship for bringing the sport into disrepute. It was the last act in a season where, if anything outrageous could happen to Andrea Moda, it usually did."

 

I got ninja'd by Mr.Hope, but that's just because he was lazy and just answered, without any more background! Shame on him!

 

Finding three decent-sized pictures of an Andrea Moda that isn't broken, crashed and stalled in the pits is not a five minute job!



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#100 Andrew Hope

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:24

Anyone else like the aqua marine Leyton House March's from the late 80s ?

 

4920124146_1970b0a166_z.jpg

 

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