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#101 George Costanza

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:44

There's a modernised version of that, it too is stunning - http://www.f1fanatic...2012-Livery.jpg

Wow. Now that's a beautiful Ferrari. :love:



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#102 Lotus72b

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:21

I made an breast cancer awareness version for Marlboroctober.

 

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I like your work. :clap:



#103 Andrew Hope

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:32

Sorry, words are my enemy. I mean I just turned the McLaren one the other guy made pink. I didn't mean I made made it. I just tried to associate it with boobs!



#104 jcbc3

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:21

[snip picture]

 

I hereby rest my case.



#105 PayasYouRace

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:50

I made an breast cancer awareness version for Marlboroctober.

 

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Meanwhile, we all die of lung cancer :p



#106 PayasYouRace

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:51

I guess for 1991 they just got rid of the bump because the car looks almost identical to its predecessor.

 

They also got rid of the Newey V-cockpit, as seen on the Williams FW14-16 series.



#107 Ali_G

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:45

That is the (in)famous Andrea Moda from 1992. Even though the car, was reported to be a prototype for a BMW entry back in 1990. And was, as far as I know, Simtek's first try on a complete F1-car. (So, this car was indeed desgined by Nick Wirth & Co, which later worked on Simtek, and then went to Benetton, and was involved with Virgin Racing and the first Marussia car - but that you already knew.

"McCarthy another 10 seconds back, having suffered a flexing steering arm while hurtling through Eau Rouge - a fault which, amazingly, the team already knew about. Then halfway through the weekend, Belgian police came and arrested Sassetti on allegations of fraud. With that, the team was banned from the rest of the championship for bringing the sport into disrepute. It was the last act in a season where, if anything outrageous could happen to Andrea Moda, it usually did."

 

I got ninja'd by Mr.Hope, but that's just because he was lazy and just answered, without any more background! Shame on him!

 

Sending McCarthy out with a broken steering column may be one of the craziest decisions in F1 history.  WTF were the team thinking at the time.



#108 PayasYouRace

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:50

Sending McCarthy out with a broken steering column may be one of the craziest decisions in F1 history.  WTF were the team thinking at the time.

 

Probably something like, "How can I get out of here with as much money as possible?"



#109 V3TT3L

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:57

I like the Copersucar Fittipaldis

 

 

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#110 Myrvold

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 09:46

Finding three decent-sized pictures of an Andrea Moda that isn't broken, crashed and stalled in the pits is not a five minute job!


Didn't see those yesterday!

To redeem myself... the first picture is not a running car ;P
And. Fun fact; McCarthy was the original The Stig in Top Gear!

#111 king_crud

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:57

Yes, very much, although the BP green sort of spoils it.

 

I think it looks better with the BP logo, I think the green goes well with the blue. I had the Tamiya model of the 1990 car, it was one of my favorites of all time. The car is such a beautiful shape



#112 prpr

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:17

Continuing the Leyton House theme...

 

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#113 Ali_G

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:49

I think it looks better with the BP logo, I think the green goes well with the blue. I had the Tamiya model of the 1990 car, it was one of my favorites of all time. The car is such a beautiful shape

 

Indeed.  Low sidepods, low nose.  Looks great.  High noses and undercut sidepods don't look very sleek IMO.



#114 John Player

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 14:34

I always liked these:

 

 

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also the late 90's Prosts



#115 Ali_G

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 15:41

And of course, I totally forgot this Benetton from 1986.  Together with painted tyre sidewalls.  Paint scheme compliments the shape of the car.  Really like the area behind the drivers head which is airbox free and better for it.  Nice black rear wing to compliment.Gerhard_Berger_1986_Detroit.jpg


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#116 RealRacing

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 18:53

That's Andrea Moda in 1992. Perry McCarthy at the wheel.

 

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Thanks, WTF I had never seen that car before. Really beautiful. I guess if you put looks and performance together the Brabham 1993 has almost no match...



#117 RealRacing

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 18:55

That is the (in)famous Andrea Moda from 1992. Even though the car, was reported to be a prototype for a BMW entry back in 1990. And was, as far as I know, Simtek's first try on a complete F1-car. (So, this car was indeed desgined by Nick Wirth & Co, which later worked on Simtek, and then went to Benetton, and was involved with Virgin Racing and the first Marussia car - but that you already knew.

"McCarthy another 10 seconds back, having suffered a flexing steering arm while hurtling through Eau Rouge - a fault which, amazingly, the team already knew about. Then halfway through the weekend, Belgian police came and arrested Sassetti on allegations of fraud. With that, the team was banned from the rest of the championship for bringing the sport into disrepute. It was the last act in a season where, if anything outrageous could happen to Andrea Moda, it usually did."

 

I got ninja'd by Mr.Hope, but that's just because he was lazy and just answered, without any more background! Shame on him!

Thanks for the detailed, albeit late  ;), response.



#118 RealRacing

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 18:57

This was kind of nice too:

 

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#119 Markn93

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 19:09

Wow. Now that's a beautiful Ferrari. :love:

Isn't it just. I wish they raced that currently. 



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#120 Andrew Hope

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 19:16

Here's one that never gets enough love.

 

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#121 ApexMouse

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 19:24

When I first started watching F1 when I was 5-6 years old THAT was my favorite. WHY DOESN'T IT WIN IT LOOKS THE BEST.


Edited by ApexMouse, 24 October 2013 - 19:52.


#122 Fastcake

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 20:05

The old Ferrari red looks at lot better than the current shade. It'll be much more fun to wish Fernando's car to break down if it looked prettier.

 

 

Interesting stuff :D

 

http://escapeartistd...d-liveries.html

 

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Sorry to repost this one but it is funny how that Williams livery worked so well. You'd think such a mash of colours would be a Renault-esque disaster, but it turned out to be a good design. Williams could probably bring it back as well, if only they had a sponsor with yellow corporate colours. "Williams blue" is still the base colour; move PDVSA's red and white to the sidepod and use that yellow sponsor at the top and you've a geninue reason to bring back a classic livery.

 

Unlike Lotus.



#123 Afterburner

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 20:56

I think what this thread generally proves is that most of the modern liveries are rubbish. :lol:

 

That is the (in)famous Andrea Moda from 1992. Even though the car, was reported to be a prototype for a BMW entry back in 1990. And was, as far as I know, Simtek's first try on a complete F1-car. (So, this car was indeed desgined by Nick Wirth & Co, which later worked on Simtek, and then went to Benetton, and was involved with Virgin Racing and the first Marussia car - but that you already knew.

"McCarthy another 10 seconds back, having suffered a flexing steering arm while hurtling through Eau Rouge - a fault which, amazingly, the team already knew about. Then halfway through the weekend, Belgian police came and arrested Sassetti on allegations of fraud. With that, the team was banned from the rest of the championship for bringing the sport into disrepute. It was the last act in a season where, if anything outrageous could happen to Andrea Moda, it usually did."

 

I got ninja'd by Mr.Hope, but that's just because he was lazy and just answered, without any more background! Shame on him!

 

This is just all kinds of WTFism. Thanks for the link. :up:



#124 Andrew Hope

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 21:07

I think what this thread generally proves is that most of the modern liveries are rubbish. :lol:

 

 

This is just all kinds of WTFism. Thanks for the link. :up:

The Andrea Moda story is hilarious. You should read about Life F1 as well, and their amazing W12 motor (though they gave up on that half way through the 1990 season and just used a Judd V8).

 

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Only around for 1990, two races with Gary Brabham and then they brought Bruno Giacomelli back after 8 seasons' retirement. Between the two of them, they entered 14 Grands Prix, and failed to pre-qualify for any of them. Here is a video of it going as fast as it can..

 

 

Skip to 9:30 and watch the first few cars fly by at full song. Then at 9:46 the Life F190 comes by.. eventually.

 

At that race (Canada), Senna's pole time was 1:20.399, and Giacomelli's DNPQ time was 1:50.253,

 

When the new season came, things were not stacked in Life's favor: The team had one chassis, one engine, few if any spare parts, and no hope for success. The W12 turned out to be the least powerful engine of the year: its output was 480 hp while others did 600 to 700 hp. On the other hand, the ex-First L190 chassis was one of the heaviest cars in the field at 530 kg. Handling was bad, reliability was poor. As a result, the Life was no faster than a Formula 3 car. Even in Formula 3000, it would have been outclassed, much less Formula One.

 

Initially Sir Jack Brabham's son Gary Brabham was signed to drive but when he failed to prequalify twice he left the team for good, in the second of his two races the car coasted to a halt after 400 yards with the mechanics on strike revealing they never put oil in the engine. In came Bruno Giacomelli, an Italian veteran who had last raced in Formula One in 1983. Not surprisingly, things did not improve. The car did not get faster, in fact it never managed to run more than eight laps before exploding. At 1990 San Marino Grand Prix Giacomelli was even noted for saying that he was scared he might be struck from behind as his car was so slow. For the Portuguese Grand Prix, the team replaced their own engine with a more conventional Judd CV V8, but then found that the engine cover did not fit and flew off the car on its first lap of Estoril.

 

They withdrew before the final two Grands Prix, and were never heard from again.


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#125 RealRacing

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 21:42

I think what this thread generally proves is that most of the modern liveries are rubbish. :lol:

 

 

And most cars' looks...



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 21:45

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#127 Brother Fox

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 04:24

That orange .... mmmmmm



#128 DanardiF1

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 05:24

That orange .... mmmmmm

 

Also, two different chassis' on same track :) Pedro is in MP4-21, Gary in MP4-20



#129 teejay

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:03

Even as a Mclaren fan, I stil do not actually find that colour good on a modern F1 car.

 

They need to make their chrome black - would be epic



#130 totgate

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 08:58

The Brabham BT55 was a stunning beast.

 

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That car gives meaning to the word "Sleek"  :-)



#131 BRG

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:34

That car gives meaning to the word "Sleek"  :-)

Pity it didn't work.

 

The point about liveries is that nowadays, no one sponsor can afford to pay for the whole car, so that simple liveries aren't possible.  Once it just said 'Marlboro' or 'Martini'.  Nw it has to say twenty or more different names.  So it's all Bernie's fault for making F1 so expensive.  WHen he was Brabham team owner, he wanted clean and elegant liveries like the BT55, but now his priorities are different - to gouge as much cash out of the sport as possible, and to hell with the aesthetics.



#132 Myrvold

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 14:09

Also, two different chassis' on same track :) Pedro is in MP4-21, Gary in MP4-20

Holy mega-banana! Never seen that! 



#133 Ali_G

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 16:05

Pity it didn't work.

 

The point about liveries is that nowadays, no one sponsor can afford to pay for the whole car, so that simple liveries aren't possible.  Once it just said 'Marlboro' or 'Martini'.  Nw it has to say twenty or more different names.  So it's all Bernie's fault for making F1 so expensive.  WHen he was Brabham team owner, he wanted clean and elegant liveries like the BT55, but now his priorities are different - to gouge as much cash out of the sport as possible, and to hell with the aesthetics.

 

The BMW I4 didn't work well in it.  Aerodynamically it prob wasn't a bad car.



#134 V3TT3L

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 16:28

The BT-55 was the father of MP4/4.

Just compare how compact and low was the 1998 WCC.

 

The BT-55 was a great car with a lot of mechanical problems.

The BMW engine had to be rotated to fit the car, generating other problem like lubrication, cooling, heat isolation, etc.

Since there wasn't much room to manouvre the components, they couldn't improve it.

 

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#135 PayasYouRace

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 17:01

The BT-55 was the father of MP4/4.

Just compare how compact and low was the 1998 WCC.

 

The BT-55 was a great car with a lot of mechanical problems.

The BMW engine had to be rotated to fit the car, generating other problem like lubrication, cooling, heat isolation, etc.

Since there wasn't much room to manouvre the components, they couldn't improve it.

 

 

Well they were developed in partnership. Each was designed for each other. It's just that BMW couldn't get the sideways version to work as well as the upright unit.



#136 Spillage

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 23:46

I don't think the blue was particularly Williams's own. Before the FW10 the Williams cars tended to feature green rather than blue. The blue on the FW10 was associated with increased Denim branding in 1985 (denim blue) but was continued in subsequent years because blue also featured in the corporate colours of Mobil, ICI, Labatts, ELF, Camel and Rothmans - all of which were significant Williams sponsors in those years. It all changed with the FW20 and FW21 and the switch to Winfield red before darker BMW/Compaq blue highlights returned on the basically white FW22.

 

Having said that, the Williams liveries between 1985 and 1997 were an object lesson in how to integrate different sponsors harmoniously. By contrast, the Renault R27 and R28 were a masterclass in how not to do it.

Have to agree with this. The R27 in particular would get my vote for worst livery of all time. 

 

I've never really understood the adulation for the Marlboro Mclaren. Could it perhaps be the memories associated with the livery rather than the livery itself? It always struck me as rather bland notwithstanding the fact that its basically identical to the livery Alfa were running in the early eighties.

 

Also, and rather perversely, I think the Camel livery looks better on the modern Williams than it did back when they were actually running it.



#137 Andrew Hope

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 04:36

I wouldn't mind this livery plus the lowrider wings on a modern car..

 

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#138 DanardiF1

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 05:54

I think the Marlboro colours are widely adored because of their visibility and success on both sides of the Atlantic... When you have two giants of their respective series in McLaren and Penske running the same livery, at a time when CART was nearly as big as F1, it kind of sticks in your mind.

 

When I see those colours, I immediately think of Ayrton Senna. That's what makes it an iconic livery. There's nothing that aesthetically pleasing about it other than it's quite simple for a livery that covers the whole car.



#139 GhostR

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 13:15

When I see those colours, I immediately think of Ayrton Senna. That's what makes it an iconic livery. There's nothing that aesthetically pleasing about it other than it's quite simple for a livery that covers the whole car.

 

And Prost. They ran that livery for over a decade, during what many of us here consider the best days of F1. It's not just the livery, it's the association with the drivers and cars of those times and the whole nostalgia thing.



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#140 Wiggy

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:54

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#141 GhostR

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 12:13

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That. That is gorgeous (from the side, anyway).



#142 HistoryFan

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 13:14

Here's one that never gets enough love.

 

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Was car is that?



#143 PayasYouRace

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 13:30

Was car is that?

 

AGS JH25B from 1991. Early in the season they ran white with a blue/silver ribbon pattern before adopting that more colourful scheme.



#144 Ali_G

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 14:45

I wouldn't mind this livery plus the lowrider wings on a modern car..

 

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IIRC, that low rear wing was run in practice at either Silverstone (pre extra turns) or Monza.  Didn't work out and they went with the normal wing for the rest of the weekend.



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 21:52

IIRC, that low rear wing was run in practice at either Silverstone (pre extra turns) or Monza.  Didn't work out and they went with the normal wing for the rest of the weekend.

Neither of that. Hockenheimring is this one.



#146 BunnyK

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 22:54

Is it nostalgia, or are the cars genuinly uglier than they used to be?

 

All of the above liveries look so much cleaner than more balanced than what we have today. I still can't get used to the look of the current cars. I have never got used to the skinny back wings/oversized snow plough front wing and platypus nose combo, I think they are just plain ugly at the moment. I didn't much care for the days of 2008 era excessive wingletts and aero bits all over the cars either.

 

I have to admit the above cars do look decent side on, but from the front? No thanks.

 

What is so hard to produce something that looks simple, balanced and clean?

Definitely, it isn't nostalgia, those liveries are so much more beatiful than these days, I wish there was a race per season without ads.



#147 Option1

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 17:34

There's something about this livery I like:

 

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But I just can't put my finger on it...

 

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#148 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 17:51

That's some sweet Candy right there   ;)



#149 senna da silva

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 18:00

Looks great from behind Neil, but how does it look from the front?  :)



#150 Option1

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 18:39

If memory serves (and it was 10 years ago), the frontal view matched in a nicely integrated way with particular emphasis on the aerodynamic aids.

 

Neil