35 replies to this topic

[prseagerthomas]

I'm looking for information regarding these cars. I already have plenty but am in particular looking for post works information, especially regarding chassis numbers, though of course any information is welcome.

 

I would mention that I have already been in contact with Daniel Cabert and Philippe Schram, who have been most helpful.

 

The following pcture is by courtesy of Philippe and the Le Zebre website. Paul Torchy, 1925 San Sebastian GP.

 

 

Surviving cars;

 

I believe the 1923 car survives in re-created form, based around the original chassis. Rebuilt circa 1927 as the Becquet Delage. V8 Hispano engine.

 

I believe Lukas Huni has a 1924 car in partial 1925 form. For the Belgian GP of 1925 three of the cars entered were uprated 1924 cars, supercharged and rebodied.

 

I believe Julian Mazjub has a 1924 car in 'later guise'.

 

I am aware of the history of some cars in Argentina as related in Fuerza Libra, and also of the snippets gleaned from this and other forums.

 

W Scott with the ex-Per Nas car circa 1928, the same car racing at Brooklands and so t'is said, bought by Adrian Conan Doyle and disasterously blown up after sleeving to 1500cc (voiturette size).

 

Probably another car was fitted with the 2-stoke supercharged Jamieson engine and entered with Dudley Froy as driver for a few events, but never actually raced. reference was made to this in a 750MC mag, but i cannot find it. The same publication suggested that a car was fitted with the Bellamy (used by Allard) IFS.

 

Thanks for all information recieved, whether known or unknown. I would be delighted to be corrected in any errors!

 

Peter.

Edited by prseagerthomas, 27 October 2013 - 10:22.

[David McKinney]

My understanding is that four cars were built in 1924. One was sold to M Bequet in 1925 and fitted with a V8 Hispano-Suiza aero engine, and the others presumably retained by the factory.

Four or posibly five cars were raced in 1925, reportedly all new cars but some perhaps being updated 1924 cars. In 1926 the factory raced three cars, a fourth having been crashed by Carlo Masetti in practice for the Targa Florio with fatal results for the driver and possibly for the car too.

I am not sure how much of the following conflicts with what appears in Fuerza Libre

One of the 1925 team cars was sold to Juan Malcolm in Argentina for 1927, but was in the UK by 1931. It was this car that got the four-cylinder two-stroke Jameson engine, which was subsequently replaced by JAP engines and, in the 1940s, by a V8 Riley Autovia engine. It was last seen in a scrapyard in Scotland in 1975

At least two other cars were raced by Italian amateurs in the late ’20s, but nothing is known of their fates

Per Nás bought his car direct from the factory in 1929, and it was acquired two years later by W B Scott then passed to the Conan-Doyle brothers, who fitted LMB independent front suspension and sleeved the engine down to 1500cc for an unsuccessul attack on voiturette racing. This car reappeared with John Rowley and a 2-litre engine in VSCC racing in the 1950s, and after some time in the USA was repatriated to the UK by Faud Majzub around 1992.

Malcolm is also reported as having two 1924-spec cars in Argentina in 1927, one unsupercharged and the other supercharged. The former found its way to Chile and then the US, and was with Lukas Huni ten years ago. The other was acquired from Argentina in 1991 by Julian Majzub.

A second ex-Chile was reportedly in the US in 1986

Sorry, can't help with numbers

[prseagerthomas]

Hello David, thank you for your comprehensive reply.

 

One car was certainly built in 1923 and raced in the French GP. The chassis was very different to the 1924/1925 cars, and reputed to be from a 1922 Strasbourg car. This I thought was the  basis of the Becquet. This car does not seem to have a 2LCV chassis.

 

In 1924 only three cars were entered in the French and Spanish GP's, so unless a spare was available, I'd guess only three cars were built.

 

There seem to be many variations in cars raced during 1924.

 

Spa. 1924 cars entered, easily identified by the lack of levers on the end of the brake cross shaft. neither the Majzub nor the Huni car has this cross shaft, suggesting both are 1924 cars. Daniel cabert suggests that only Divo raced in a 1925 spec car.

1925 spec cars also seem to be distinguished by the outboard steering arms. It seems the cars were all rebodied for San Sebastian, with the cambox clearance teardrops being replaced by small blisters, presumably due to a wider radiator and accompanying bonnet.

there must certaily have been 5 1925 chassis' as that crashed by Torchy must have been un-repairable in view of the damage done.

 

The post Jamieson ex-Malcolm history is quite new to me, thank you for that. I wonder if this would be the Forest-Green car shown in Fuerze Libre? An old 750 MC article suggested this was the same car as the Conan-Doyle one, so a mystery cleared up here.

 

Furze Libre suggests the chassis number of the 1925 Malcolm car to be 15347.

 

There appear to have been 3 2LCVs entered for Monza in 1928, only that of Guilio Aymini actually competing. Achille Varzi is meant to have come 7th in Rome that year...

 

In 1929 there were two competitors, including Aymini at Allesandria.

 

The next race I have listed is Brooklands in 1931, the Scott car.

 

Thank you for your help David, you help to confirm details, bring others into question and have provided fresh data.

 

I will have to write to Julian for clarification on the Majzub cars.

 

Peter. 

[David McKinney]

Perhaps my figure of four 1924 cars includes the 1923 prototype

Yes, the ex-Malcolm car which became Jameson-engined had passed through Forest-Greene's hands. As mentioned in my earlier post however, the Conan-Doyle car was a different one

Two cars wre non-starters in the 1928 Monza race, which doesn't prove they existed as separate entities
Only Aymini's started. Aymini and Valpreda also raced at Alessandria in 1929 and one car was entered, with no driver nominated, in that year's Monza GP. Also in 1929, Albert Broschek raced a car at San Sebastian

I've no idea which of these cars was which, or what happened to any of them

As far as chassis numbers are concerned, apart from the Fuerza Libre reference to Malcolm's 15347, the only number I have ever seen quoted is for the Malcolm/Forest-Greene/Jameson etc car - 4

[Michael Ferner]

I believe the Masetti car wasn't damaged much in the accident. Also, I have five entries for San Sebastián in 1924, not three! One DNA, though. And Valpreda raced at Alessandria in 1928 already, presumably in the same car that Varzi later raced at Rome, and perhaps the same also as raced occasionally by Serboli.

One mystery entry I have for a 2LCV is Miramas in early 1925, one Jules de Segovia (or: Julio Segovia?), DNA. Maybe the prototype, before it went to Becquet?? Also, is there any evidence that the Strasbourg car(s) were actually built? I don't recall the source, but I too have Divo alone in a 1925 car at Spa.

Not mentioned so far is the car Filippo Ardizzone raced in the early thirties with one cylinder bank disabled, for 1100cc racing.

Edited by Michael Ferner, 28 October 2013 - 17:52.

[prseagerthomas]

Michael, your reply, as with David's is exactly the response I had hoped for.

 

I have Morel, Divo and Thomas for San Sebastian 1924.

 

The Filippo Ardizzone car I have not heard of. More information please if you are able, and what is the source?

 

Peter.

[Michael Ferner]

San Sebastián:

# 4 Divo
#11 Benoist
#15 Morel
#18 Thomas
#20 N.N. (DNA)

For Ardizzone I have:

1931-04-26, Alessandria: DNA
1931-06-07, Roma/Littorio: 3rd in class
1931-08-16, Acerbo/Pescara: 5th in class
1931-09-06, Monza: DNA
1932-04-24, Roma/Littorio: 6th in class

Main source: A Record of GP & Voiturette Racing, plus bits and pieces here and there (sorry, I'm no good at keeping track of sources )

As for the Masetti accident, I distinctly recall reading about how the car was almost unscratched, and I think I have seen a picture - maybe it was even discussed on this forum. Have you tried a search?


EDIT: All right, I did a little search myself, and this post http://forums.autosp...26#entry2332932 by respected historian Jean-Marc Giglieux suggests that the Ardizzone car was, in fact, Masetti's!

Edited by Michael Ferner, 28 October 2013 - 20:16.

[antonvrs]

I'm looking for information regarding these cars. I already have plenty but am in particular looking for post works information, especially regarding chassis numbers, though of course any information is welcome.

 

I would mention that I have already been in contact with Daniel Cabert and Philippe Schram, who have been most helpful.

 

The following pcture is by courtesy of Philippe and the Le Zebre website. Paul Torchy, 1925 San Sebastian GP.

 

 

Surviving cars;

 

I believe the 1923 car survives in re-created form, based around the original chassis. Rebuilt circa 1927 as the Becquet Delage. V8 Hispano engine.

 

I believe Lukas Huni has a 1924 car in partial 1925 form. For the Belgian GP of 1925 three of the cars entered were uprated 1924 cars, supercharged and rebodied.

 

I believe Julian Mazjub has a 1924 car in 'later guise'.

 

I am aware of the history of some cars in Argentina as related in Fuerza Libra, and also of the snippets gleaned from this and other forums.

 

W Scott with the ex-Per Nas car circa 1928, the same car racing at Brooklands and so t'is said, bought by Adrian Conan Doyle and disasterously blown up after sleeving to 1500cc (voiturette size).

 

Probably another car was fitted with the 2-stoke supercharged Jamieson engine and entered with Dudley Froy as driver for a few events, but never actually raced. reference was made to this in a 750MC mag, but i cannot find it. The same publication suggested that a car was fitted with the Bellamy (used by Allard) IFS.

 

Thanks for all information recieved, whether known or unknown. I would be delighted to be corrected in any errors!

 

Peter.

There is video on Jay Leno's website of Lukas Huni at Pebble Beach describing his car and firing up the motor. It was restored when owned by Bob Sutherland some years ago.

[Roger Clark]

Automobile Quarterly Vol 14 no. 2 contains an article by Griffith Borgeson on Delages in competition.  He says that there were four cars at Lyons 1924, three new ones for the race and the 1923 car as a practice 'mule'.  At the end of the section on the 2LCV he says: "If one totals up all the allegedly new 2LCVs mentioned in contemporary press accounts it would seem that eight cars were built in all.   It is more likely, however, that no more than five complete machines really were constructed, the seeming others being explicable as facelifts,  two were sold to private owners in Italy, two in Argentina, and one in Sweden, this latter being brought to England in 1930 by Adrian Conan Doyle".  This was, of course, written in the 1970s.

 

Karl Ludvigsen's the "The V12 Engine" says that the car entered for the 1922 GP de l'ACF (dna) which is often shown as a 2LCV was, in fact a four-cylindar car.  I know nothing of this car.

 

Maurice Planchon, designer of the 2LCV, was sacked by Louis Delage after the failures of 1922 and '23 and Albert Lory appointed in his place.  Borgeson says: "Before the start of the 1924 seasonLory had time to design, build, test and abandon a supercharged straight-eight two-cycle GP engine" before deciding to develop Plancon's V12.  However, Ludvigsen implies that Delage experimented with the eight-cylinder two-stroke before building th V12 in 1923.

[prseagerthomas]

Roger, thank you for the extracts from Automobile Quarterly. Older material must always be considered since in that period, many original memories might be put down on paper. I have a pretty open mind about the whole project. A fact may be confirmed perhaps half a dozen times, but if the confirmations all have the same source, they are open to debate.

 

Eight cars is entirely possible, though I fully believe there were only four official identities. It seems likely that the Benoist car in 1924 at San Sebastian shared the same registration as its 1925 counterpart. I don't think the 1925 spec cars were facelifts. The chassis' were different, as were the bodies. I have read (!) that there were lubrication problems with the 1924 spec engines, leading to a redesign for 1925.

It would be interesting to compare details of the blown engine in the Turin museum and the unblown examples in the two existing complete cars.

 

I had not heard of the 2-stroke engine. Somewhere I have details of an Itala FWD two stroke. I imagine many were experimenting with such ideas at the time.

 

Thanks again for all contributions.

 

Peter.

[Roger Clark]

I had not heard of the 2-stroke engine. Somewhere I have details of an Itala FWD two stroke. I imagine many were experimenting with such ideas at the time.

Thanks again for all contributions.

Peter.

I don't know about a two-stroke Itala though they did build (but not race) a front wheel drive V12 for the 1926-27 formula. Fiat built (but didn't race) a six-cylinder, twelve-piston two-stroke at the same time.

Edited by Roger Clark, 30 October 2013 - 10:04.

[prseagerthomas]

I knew I'd read something somewhere.

 

http://forums.autosp...m-the-twenties/

 

Not a two stroke, but the charge introduced by the piston uncovering ports. Another reference suggests that the blower(s) fed the crankcase. Hmmm.

 

Peter.

[humphries]

Just a few extra details.
 
Aymini finished 3rd in his class in his 2LCV at the Susa-Moncensio hillclimb on 8.7.1928.
 
Ardizzone in his modified car finished  6th in class at Pontidecimo-Giovi on 28.06.1931, and 4th in class at Susa-Moncensio on 5.7.1931; in both cases slowest in the class.
 
A query - but didn't Valpreda attain 2nd place overall in his 2LCV at the IV Circuito di Pozzo, Verona on 2.6.1929? This was by far the best result for this car whilst in private hands.
 
This race has been classified by some as a sports car race but the entry list would suggest it may have been for F.Libre as were the first three editions. Photo evidence would help.

Edited by humphries, 30 October 2013 - 16:04.

[Hans Etzrodt]

The Delage 2 LCV was raced from 1923 to 1925, while in 1926 and 27 Delage raced the 15-S-8

Where was the 2 LCV raced in 1926 (except T.F.) and 1927 and entered by whom?

Edited by Hans Etzrodt, 03 November 2013 - 03:40.

[Hans Etzrodt]

Posted by David McKinney on Oct-27: Also in 1929, Albert Broschek raced a car at San Sebastian.

 

At the 1929 San Sebastian Grand Prix, Albert Broschek raced his T35B Bugatti, not a Delage as reported in some places.

Edited by Hans Etzrodt, 03 November 2013 - 04:34.

[David McKinney]

Thanks Hans. That makes more sense

[Michael Ferner]

The Delage 2 LCV was raced from 1923 to 1925, while in 1926 and 27 Delage raced the 15-S-8
Where was the 2 LCV raced in 1926 (except T.F.) and 1927 and entered by whom?

1926 Spanish GP, and I believe Wagner won at La Baule in one. Presumably works entries, all. Don't know about '27.

[prseagerthomas]

1927. Edmond Bourlier took part in the following hillclimbs.

 

Mont-Agel  4th

La Turbie    1st

 

He was also entered for the La Camp event, but whether he competed I do not know. Since Bourlier was a works driver at the time, it seems likely that the car was in fact a works entry. There is of course evidence that the 2LCVs were at about this time being sold off.

 

Peter.

[Scuderia CC]

Delage 2LCV of Julian Majzub :

 

https://lionelderima...00008XYFuynt3tc

 

[Tomas Karlsson]

Per Näs imported his Delage to Sweden in February 1928. He raced it a couple of times, both on ice and on gravel. It went up for sale in early 1929. Erik Lafrenz bought it and did a couple of races in the autumn. In 1930 the car was bought by Sven Bengtsson, who tested the car and was entered for a race, but I haven't found any actual race with him behind the wheel.

Näs later claimed in an interview that he himself had sold the car to Great Britain, but he didn't mention anything about Lafrenz or Bengtsson.

[Sebastian Tombs]

Where to start?  I'm a bit busy right now but will post later with more details and pics.  There is another Delage magnum opus in preparation which will give all known details of these cars c/w chassis numbers but it won't be out this year!

OK, firstly the 'Stasbourg' car was built using a four-cylinder engine and was known as the '2LC' being an abbreviation for '2 Litre Course'.  It was a neat design incorporating some clever touches including the interior-mounted spare wheel and mechanic's arm rest as seen in the montage I've done below.  Notable was the Frontenac-esque nose cone as tried on the Torpille (hence the name) but discarded in the latter due to overheating problems.  The 2LC looked good but the performance of the engine was pretty useless and would have fared badly against the Fiats, Bugattis and Sunbeam and while it was entered for the GP de l'ACF at Strasbourg it wisely was withdrawn. 

 

Charles considered various configurations and architecture and finally decided on the jewel of a V12 as we know...and the 2LC became the 2LCV.  The chassis and some bodywork was duly modified and the first V12 installed in the erstwhile 2LC and thus 2LCV #1 was born in 1923 just about in time for the GP de l'ACF at Tours on the 3rd of July 1923.  This was against the better judgement of Louis D who was being pressurised to an extent by René Thomas.  The car lasted 8 laps and DNF'd.  That was the only time the 2LC/2LCV hybrid ever appeared in a GP.  No more cars were produced in 1923 and the prototype 2LCV remained at the factory until it was given (not sold) less engine (so the engine in the Turin Motor Museum is not out of the Béquet car) to Maurice Béquet who, of course, fitted the V8 Hispano engine and the car still exists.  Thomas, never one to call a spade a shovel, grumbled incessantly about the engine not producing the expected power on the dyno and eventually Louis D, tenuous family connections notwithstanding, fired poor old Charles Planchon and entrusted the development to Albert Lory.  This was grossly unfair on Planchon who then disappeared into virtual obscurity but that's how it was at the Delage emporium.  Lory, in his usual whirlwind style and with an eye over his shoulder to see if Louis or René were prowling about, virtually re-designed the entire car.  Planchon's V12 was modified in various ways, the most notable being the cylinder-head configuration with the exhaust exiting centrally in the 'V' rather than laterally.  Four brand new cars were produced for the 1924 season and a 3-car team was entered for the GP de l'ACF at Lyon where they performed most creditably...much better than the subsequently much-vaunted Bugatti T35s!  2nd, 3rd and 6th with Divo finishing less than a minute behind Campari in the P2 Alfa.  The Bugattis were expected to turn the tables at San Sebastian with their superior road-holding on the twisty Lasarte circuit (chassis design was never Lory's strong point!) but, of course, everybody had forgotten about Segrave in the Sunbeam who won.  2LCVs 3rd and 4th behind Costantini in the T35 with Benoist DNF after an off.  That was it for 1924 as Delage did not contest the Italian GP at Monza.

Four brand new cars were laid down for the 1925 season and the intention was to run these, fully tested, at Montlhéry for the first time at the GP de l'ACF aiming for a home victory.  However, Delage decided to give them a trial-run in the Belgian GP at Spa a month before the French event.  This turned out to be a big mistake.  Only one of the 1925 cars was (just about) race-ready so it was decided to wheel out three of the 1924 cars but fitted with the latest-spec engines now running twin superchargers and giving flash readings of over 200 bhp on the dyno.  There was some aggravation as to who should have the new car and it was given to Divo, much to Thomas' disgust.  The three '24 cars retired relatively early but Divo put up a creditable performance running close behind Campari in the Alfa but Ascari had disappeared into the distance.  Divo ultimately had to retire with various problems which left the 2 remaining Alfas circulating alone, much to the displeasure of the paying public.  However, the 'picnic' story is pure invention as, I think, Hans pointed out here ages ago.

Three of the latest cars appeared at Montlhéry and Benoist achieved a somewhat Pyrrhic victory after the fatal accident to Ascari and the withdrawal of the Alfa team.  Delage sat out the Italian GP at Monza and Paul Torchy had to wait until the San Sebastian GP to get his hands on the new car.  Sadly he was killed driving it in the race where Delage scored a 1, 2, 3 with all four 1925 cars starting.  That was the end of the 2LCV's GP career but the Works supported the Targa Florio with them in 1926.  Tragically Masetti was killed in his example, running Number 13 as had Torchy at San Sebastian.

So, the result of all this rambling is that NINE 2LCVs were built one of which, the first, was the reconstituted 2LC.  Where are they now?  Well there's two, a '24 and a '25 not fifty miles from where I'm typing this. there's Lukas' '24 and there's the Brequét...that's four so far.  I'll continue this later...

 

ST

[Steve L]

Wow, that is great and I cannot wait to hear more please!

And you have a ready customer here waiting for your book!

[Scuderia CC]

 

And you have a ready customer here waiting for your book!

 

Oooh YES !!

 

I can not wait to see and to have this book - Je suis impatient de voir et d'avoir ce livre   

[Sebastian Tombs]

Wow, that is great and I cannot wait to hear more please!

And you have a ready customer here waiting for your book!

 

Oooh YES !!

 

I can not wait to see and to have this book - Je suis impatient de voir et d'avoir ce livre   

 

LOL!  It's not my book but a joint effort with Daniel Cabart, Sébastien Faurès Fustel de Coulanges and other significant contributors.  There will be no panic stations to meet deadlines like there was with 'Champion du Monde' so expect 2019

 

ST

[Tomas Karlsson]

If there is any interest in the Näs car's racing career in Sweden, I would be glad to help. They won't find that on the internet.

[Sebastian Tombs]

If there is any interest in the Näs car's racing career in Sweden, I would be glad to help. They won't find that on the internet.

 

We only use the internet to examine documents and some photographs kindly uploaded by like-minded individuals!  Much of the research is based on original Factory documents and Albert Lory's incredibly detailed personal daily notebooks as far as the 2LCV is concerned up to the point where Automobiles Delage got rid of them...then it starts to get more arduous and obscure.  Daniel, as lead author, will be delighted to hear of your kind offer Tomas, thank you very much.  Could you please PM me your contact email address.  The current owner of the Näs car (and one other) has a huge amount of info on the cars including chassis numbers but I think its life before entering the UK is obscure and your contribution would be most welcome.  Many thanks.

 

ST

[Sebastian Tombs]

PM received and replied.  As  remarkable co-incidence the current issue of the Delage club magazine contains a detailed history and description of the 'Jameson Special' 2-stroke, complete with period pics...all from a new source.  The engine was a 4-cylinder 2-stroke with twin blowers and reputedly produced 140 bhp at 6000rpm.  The car was entered for the BRDC 500 miles in '33 but scratched as 'not ready'.  It then popped up again entered for the '34 BARC Whitsun meeting to be driven by no less than Sir Malcolm Campbell but scratched again.  The only explanation for getting such a top-line driver must be the fact that Jameson's company had made parts for Campbell's Bluebird LSR cars.  Sadly it concludes "Apparently, years later when the premises of the Jameson Engine Company, Spring Works, West St, Elwell, Surrey were cleared a large load of Delage engine parts were taken to the local tip."

 

Edit:  Neglected to point out full details of the Jameson engine and its association with the 2LCV can be found in Motor Sport December 1991

 

ST

Edited by Sebastian Tombs, 05 February 2018 - 21:22.

[Steve L]

Hi Sebastian. I hope progress with your book is good and that 2019 is still the release date?

[Sebastian Tombs]

Hi Sebastian. I hope progress with your book is good and that 2019 is still the release date?

 

Hmm...I've been diverted somewhat this summer and I certainly don't want the 4 o'clock in the morning panics like we had on Champion du Monde at my age!   Let's live in hope.  In the meantime I've uploaded that Jameson Special article you requested...see PM.  Good to see books on French cars are still sweeping the board at Brit awards ceremonies      My friend Philippe Grümmer's being the latest.  One gripe though...many of these books, magnificent though they are, are ridiculously expensive and way beyond the pocket of the ordinary enthusiast.  We thought €80 odd for C du M was pretty reasonable considering the colossal amount of work and original research involved.  Maybe Peter Larsen and Ben Erickson have hit on something...one of the volumes of 'The Kellner Affair' is on a memory stick/flash drive.  I love beautiful books but these 'Smakeskin Slipcover Specials' should be just that...specials with an economy version for the financially challenged.

 

ST

 

Edit:  For 'smakeskin' read 'snakeskin' throughout

Edited by Sebastian Tombs, 06 December 2018 - 18:23.

[Scuderia CC]

Any news from this book ?

[Sebastian Tombs]

Any news from this book ?

 

Daniel was asked to 'help' on the Ballot book and, as usual, found that much of the stuff he had been presented as 'fact' turned out to be BS (his words not mine) so had to set-to and start from scratch.  The result, co-authored by Gautam Sen is utterly magnificent but another 300 quids worth I'm afraid.  So the 2LCV is on the back burner at present.  Meanwhile I've done an insight into the 1925 season with particular reference to Paul Torchy which some may find vaguely interesting https://www.colinmusgrove.com/blog  scroll down to 'Paul Torchy - a Brief Encounter'.  It's available as a pdf if anybody is interested.

 

ST

[Scuderia CC]

It's available as a pdf if anybody is interested.

 

ST

 

Yes please... that interests me.

[Sebastian Tombs]

Yes please... that interests me

 

You may read the flip book and download a .pdf here http://online.flipht...com/cjazk/enqv/

 

If you'd like an original .pdf without the page breaks and annotation, pm me your mail address and I'll happily dend you a copy.

 

Also, if you are a Delagiste (!) you might find another of my flip books interesting...1908 GP des Voiturettes, Dieppe http://online.flipht...com/cjazk/srks/

 

All the best

 

ST

[Scuderia CC]

This famous book has finally arrived in bookstores. I just received it and I am not disappointed. Thank you to the authors for this superb work.

 

See here : https://www.motors-m...grand-prix.html

[Roger Clark]

Is there much detail in the book on the 1.5-litre cars than in the new book?

[Roger Clark]

Thanks, Adam.