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[Bloggsworth]

I think the FIA should introduce a rule which requires that, every 2 years, Adrian Newey has to work for the team that came last in the Championship, that way the standard of the whole field would be raised.

[dau]

Sounds good. Finally a chance to see him back at Williams.

[stillOrange]

And what if RBR and Vettel keep on winning without him?

[Bloggsworth]

And what if RBR and Vettel keep on winning without him?

Missed the point entirely...

[stillOrange]

Really?
Well, making Newey go to the last team every 2 years will not raise the standard of the whole grid, just the one team he works for.
Your solution misses your pint as well.

[cartmann]

Level playing field more interesting than obvious skewed playing field. Have you ever noticed how learning the cheat mode to games quickly kills all interest in computer games. Newey=cheatmode. 

[nosecone]

And Catherham and Force India would give all to be last! Wow that's brilliant

[Bloggsworth]

Really?
Well, making Newey go to the last team every 2 years will not raise the standard of the whole grid, just the one team he works for.
Your solution misses your pint as well.

The clue is in the every 2 years, one year to set things in motion, the next to produce a better car. He would then move on to the next team (unless, of course, he made no improvements and had to stay for another two years). If Newey moves a team forward then after 2 years he will do the same for another team, unless you believe that as soon as he left the previous team would forget everything he had taught them.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Daft idea. I mean, you do realise that fast well designed cars aren't just down to 1 person..........don't you? Plus why should he keep moving around? Do you really think Marussia for example could afford his salary for 2 years? The idea is so daft, I'm genuinely worried that you're anything more than 0% serious

[PayasYouRace]

Can we please get away from this idea that Adrian is a one-man design team/development team/factory? He's a brilliant designer, sure, but he needs a great team working with him to produce great cars. McLaren didn't win every championship while he was with them.

[cartmann]

Can we please get away from this idea that Adrian is a one-man design team/development team/factory?

No!

[Bloggsworth]

Can we please get away from this idea that Adrian is a one-man design team/development team/factory? He's a brilliant designer, sure, but he needs a great team working with him to produce great cars. McLaren didn't win every championship while he was with them.

Never mentioned it. He is a great leader of an engineering team and all engineering teams need a mastermind, a man with a vision. Gordon Murray, Colin Chapman, Patrick Head and John Barnard all lead from the front.

[Bloggsworth]

Daft idea. I mean, you do realise that fast well designed cars aren't just down to 1 person..........don't you? Plus why should he keep moving around? Do you really think Marussia for example could afford his salary for 2 years? The idea is so daft, I'm genuinely worried that you're anything more than 0% serious

Ah - So it is just a coincidence his trail of success, the 20 Championships with many different teams?

Edited by Bloggsworth, 27 October 2013 - 15:06.

[Miggeex]

Newey couldn't do anything stunning without the right people he's working with at the moment. If the whole designing group went to some bad team for YEARS, then they could up their game for sure. It just won't happen fast. 

Edited by Miggeex, 27 October 2013 - 15:08.

[dau]

Never mentioned it. He is a great leader of an engineering team and all engineering teams need a mastermind, a man with a vision. Gordon Murray, Colin Chapman, Patrick Head and John Barnard all lead from the front.

Patrick Head?

[PayasYouRace]

Never mentioned it. He is a great leader of an engineering team and all engineering teams need a mastermind, a man with a vision. Gordon Murray, Colin Chapman, Patrick Head and John Barnard all lead from the front.

 

It was certainly implied by your absurd suggestion. Unless you're suggesting that the FIA hire Adrian as a design consultant who is sent to the team who's last in the WCC to help them improve.

 

Should Murray, Chapman, Head and Barnard have also been sent to the likes of Andrea Moda, Coloni, Eurobrun, Forti, etc?

[PayasYouRace]

Patrick Head?

 

The man behind the brilliant Williams FW07. FW08 and FW11 and a major part of Williams early success. I'm sure you've heard of him.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Just because he's won lots of championship with numerous different teams doesn't mean he's the be all and end all. You need the best TEAM to win championships. I'd expect a 7 year old to know that if you have the best designer, you need money, the best drivers, the best machanics, the best pit crew, the best equipment, the best this and that you might have a chance to win championships. It'd be no good sticking Newey at Marrusia for a couple of years if they have no money, pit crew isn't as good, drivers aren't as good, mechanics aren't as good, engine is poor, etc etc etc. It wouldn't change anything. It'd be like saying "here's a top designer, now go and get some points". Doesn't work like that. Your idea is a complete load of trash, and I'm stunned you even suggested it.

[dau]

The man behind the brilliant Williams FW07. FW08 and FW11 and a major part of Williams early success. I'm sure you've heard of him.

Is he related to the Patrick Head who couldn't do anything when Newey left?

 

Edited: Ok, ok, if you feel he really belongs in that list, that's fine. He undoubtedly had success in his early days.

Edited by dau, 27 October 2013 - 15:25.

[f1RacingForever]

Sounds good but how could backmarkr teams afford him? Could we make him work for free??

[jonpollak]

Your solution misses your pint as well.

As usually observed here...My mouth is my solution and ones pint rarely misses it.

Jp

[topical]

Best rule in F1 would be separate teams and drivers entirely and make every driver driver for every team over the course of a season. Then we could finally separate what's down to the driver and what's down to the car. Of course it'll never happen, but I'm sick of this stupid tendency to glorify the driver when it's the car that counts for everything.

[cartmann]

Qualifying has to be done in a spec car...

[ensign14]

They've already introduced one radical rule change this weekend, i.e. the track is optional.

[Nonesuch]

I think this is a great idea. Just think of what a team like McLaren could have accomplished if they had been able to have Newey look at their car designs. We might never have had to suffer the era of Ferrari- Schumacher-Bridgestone domination!

 

All joking aside, maybe F1 doesn't need Newey to raise the bar, but simply more avenues for development aside from aerodynamics.

[Baffomet]

Not this shite again...  ./thread

[Bloggsworth]

Is he related to the Patrick Head who couldn't do anything when Newey left?
 
Edited: Ok, ok, if you feel he really belongs in that list, that's fine. He undoubtedly had success in his early days.

Team leader - I quite specifically said nothing about his design abilities. Head lead a good team, I never said he did the design work, and once his "team" broke up (perhaps FW thought he could also replace designers, as well as drivers, like lightbulbs).

[Henri Greuter]

In my view, it isn't  `only` Newey that makes the difference. Remember the period of 2000-2004 (Now I will be slayed for daring to say such) when Newey also designed cars but failed to win titles. Most of the time periods of success for a team and driver came because everything that was needed was there and the chemistry between everyone was there as well. One of the key components gone often ended the spell of success.

I don't nullify Newey's influence, certainly not. but there have been periods in which he wasn't within the perfect enviroment. Like the years 2000-2004. I think that even Newey realizes all too well that he can't do his magic without the supporting cast being perfect and committed.

It is innsane to believe that shoul he desing and engineer next year's Caterham that it would be an instant winner.

 

Henri

[George Costanza]

In my view, it isn't  `only` Newey that makes the difference. Remember the period of 2000-2004 (Now I will be slayed for daring to say such) when Newey also designed cars but failed to win titles. Most of the time periods of success for a team and driver came because everything that was needed was there and the chemistry between everyone was there as well. One of the key components gone often ended the spell of success.

I don't nullify Newey's influence, certainly not. but there have been periods in which he wasn't within the perfect enviroment. Like the years 2000-2004. I think that even Newey realizes all too well that he can't do his magic without the supporting cast being perfect and committed.

It is innsane to believe that shoul he desing and engineer next year's Caterham that it would be an instant winner.

 

Henri

 

 

Much like Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne for golden days at Ferrari, it was never about them, but because they were at the track and made the changes needed, they got the crediit, but I am sure they would agree it is a large team effort to be better than their fellow teams.

[ensign14]

In my view, it isn't  `only` Newey that makes the difference. Remember the period of 2000-2004 (Now I will be slayed for daring to say such) when Newey also designed cars but failed to win titles.

 

Would have done had the design innovations he pioneered not been outlawed, thus wasting months of development work and millions of quid of spends.  CVT, twin brakes, magnesium, all, by one of those amazingly strange coincidences, things that Ferrari tried and failed to master, and which were suddenly banned.  And then there were the bulging tyres.

[ANF]

 

The guy is a joke. He can't even design a proper footrest.

[scheivlak]

CVT, twin brakes, magnesium, all, by one of those amazingly strange coincidences, things that Ferrari tried and failed to master, and which were suddenly banned.  

IIRC not in the 2000-2004 period Henri mentioned.

What went wrong in those years was the bad integration with the Mercedes engine - and the excellent relationship with Renault is a major factor in the current period of success.

Edited by scheivlak, 27 October 2013 - 22:01.

[InSearchOfThe]

There's a lot of "smart" engineers spread around the paddock. Someone should be able to find the Newey Solution.

 

Don't hate the player......................

[PayasYouRace]

 

 

The guy is a joke. He can't even design a proper footrest.

 

I'm assuming that's a joke itself. Or should we all be judged on our mistakes from 25 years ago?

[Tonka]

It's one thing to have great ideas, it's another to have the facilities and dosh to make them happen.  Red Bull have the fattest wallet in F1, which comes as no surprise when you know people are paying more than a quid a can for a couple of pence of content.  I can't see any other team coming up with the money Newey needs every year. 

Edited by Tonka, 27 October 2013 - 23:26.

[scheivlak]

It's one thing to have great ideas, it's another to have the facilities and dosh to make them happen.  Red Bull have the fattest wallet in F1, which comes as no surprise when you know people are paying more than a quid a can for a couple of pence of content.  I can't see any other team coming up with the money Newey needs every year. 

I can think of at least three others. And it's pretty easy to see that the profits of having Newey outweigh the costs when you give him the right environment.

And Red Bull gave him the environment he wanted.

[ANF]

I'm assuming that's a joke itself. Or should we all be judged on our mistakes from 25 years ago?

Your assumption is right.

[rhukkas]

And what if RBR and Vettel keep on winning without him?

 

Mclaren lived off his work for a couple of years after he left. Then the rules changed and well... the MP4-24... we shall say no more.