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[jrg19]

Who would bet against Vettel taking another Pole/Win?

 

Guess its all about 2nd in the WCC, Mercedes vs Ferrari vs Lotus, can one of them pull out an advantage around this track?

 

[Andrew Hope]

I don't have a relevant video to post, so let's pretend it's 2003 again for a few minutes.

 

 

Really one of the better tracks made in the last decade or so. Not a patch on Turkey but expecting every track to matchup to a ribbon of tarmac so beautiful it has a corner with 19 apexes and a kink in the main straight that could spin your balls around to the back of ass is a bit like expecting supermodels to chat up in the line behind you at the grocery store. Being the last or next to last or next to next to last race of the year helps but Abu Dhabi has been worth staying up for the last few seasons, even if it would never be worth paying actual money to see.

[Kelateboy]

It is a very easy call - only reliability issues would keep Vettel from getting his 7th straight win. And Webber too if the God of Luck shines on him!

 

Can't believe I am still looking forward for the rest of the season. 

[Slackbladder]

It is a very easy call - only reliability issues would keep Vettel from getting his 7th straight win. And Webber too if the God of Luck shines on him!

 

Can't believe I am still looking forward for the rest of the season. 

 

I can't believe you are either...

 

But in all seriousness, the WDC and WCC settled, everyone knows the Red Bull is dominant and Vettel is driving like a master. Lets just accept that for this year, and enjoy the last three races for what they are...

[dau]

Was that Robin Scherbatsky?

Edited by dau, 01 November 2013 - 08:58.

[TomNokoe]

Gold Helmet for the Ham

[Raven8]

Who would bet against Vettel taking another Pole/Win?

 

Guess its all about 2nd in the WCC, Mercedes vs Ferrari vs Lotus, can one of them pull out an advantage around this track?

 

Great lap hop the Mercedes is able to repeat that

[Richard T]

See you in the live forum 

[medeni73]

RB with flovis paint on diffuser...they wont stop do they, whats next goal? Lapping Mercs, Ferraris and Lotus ?

[Slackbladder]

RB with flovis paint on diffuser...they wont stop do they, whats next goal? Lapping Mercs, Ferraris and Lotus ?

 

Would assume they could test parts for next year...

[medeni73]

How much will be diffuser area different next year anyways? big changes or small ones so that RB can test it on 2013 car?

[Raven8]

Mercedes still testing passive dRS on Hamiltons car   IMo it's nonsense

[DanardiF1]

Mercedes still testing passive dRS on Hamiltons car   IMo it's nonsense

 

Typical F1 team rubbish. Too smart for their own good half the time... it's no surprise that Red Bull are so far ahead when they concentrate on the car itself and not gimmicks that try and give 'an edge'. 

[Szoelloe]

Typical F1 team rubbish. Too smart for their own good half the time... it's no surprise that Red Bull are so far ahead when they concentrate on the car itself and not gimmicks that try and give 'an edge'. 

 

 

??? Like you know.

[DanardiF1]

I'm not saying I do, but why are Mercedes bothering with a device that has never been a must-have on the car and that will be completely irrelevant for next year?

[dau]

Ooooh, rotating cameras.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Ooooh, rotating cameras.

Very cool.

[PayasYouRace]

Ooooh, rotating cameras.

 

Can't see at work. Do you mean like they have in Indycar?

[Shiroo]

Ooooh, rotating cameras.

 

that's so ****in horrible.

[MortenF1]

Hamilton is special around here, but I didn't expect things to look som promising, even if it's very early.

Same goes for Räikkönen - looks quick in the SWB-chassis.

[dau]

Can't see at work. Do you mean like they have in Indycar?

Yup. Seemed slower though and there wasn't much to see either.

[fatd]

Ham very quick here, especially through the last sector

[PayasYouRace]

Yup. Seemed slower though and there wasn't much to see either.

 

Yay! Probably not much use in practice. They are pretty useful in the race, when cars are side by side. Probably not going to happen anywhere near as often as in Indycar but still could be useful.

[Szoelloe]

I'm not saying I do, but why are Mercedes bothering with a device that has never been a must-have on the car and that will be completely irrelevant for next year?

 

The championship is over, there are no more upgrades to test, there is no harm in further exploring possibilities with the PDRD. They have said that it needs fine tuning and track time to work. If it pays off, it is a very useful device to have(on specific tracks), they are not alone pursuing it. Merc missed 3 days of testing at Silverstone where they admittedly wanted to run and develop the PDRD. They are catching up. Mercedes has the strongest line up of engineers on the grid, if they think it is worth testing, I hope it pays off. Besides, it was hardly seen on the car during the season on Fridays, I don't think it hindred them in any way in developing the car. Basically, I don't think there is anything else to do, but try things that could be worth some laptime in 2014. Saying that, of course, I don't know either.

[DanardiF1]

The championship is over, there are no more upgrades to test, there is no harm in further exploring possibilities with the PDRD. They have said that it needs fine tuning and track time to work. If it pays off, it is a very useful device to have(on specific tracks), they are not alone pursuing it. Merc missed 3 days of testing at Silverstone where they admittedly wanted to run and develop the PDRD. They are catching up. Mercedes has the strongest line up of engineers on the grid, if they think it is worth testing, I hope it pays off. Besides, it was hardly seen on the car during the season on Fridays, I don't think it hindred them in any way in developing the car. Basically, I don't think there is anything else to do, but try things that could be worth some laptime in 2014. Saying that, of course, I don't know either.

 

It won't be worth any laptime in 2014 as the technology is banned for next season...

[mlsnoopy]

Typical F1 team rubbish. Too smart for their own good half the time... it's no surprise that Red Bull are so far ahead when they concentrate on the car itself and not gimmicks that try and give 'an edge'. 

 

You mean like the EBD concept.

[mlsnoopy]

It won't be worth any laptime in 2014 as the technology is banned for next season...

 

Realy?

[DanardiF1]

You mean like the EBD concept.

 

That was a fundamental concept within the car's design. Everything from the ride height of the car, the rake, the suspension settings, brake and bodywork cooling, bodywork shape and angle was set around the EBD.

[Szoelloe]

It won't be worth any laptime in 2014 as the technology is banned for next season...

Is it?

[DanardiF1]

Is it?

 

As far as I was aware it was... wasn't it connected to the same changes that will mean the beam wing disappearing from next year?

[Szoelloe]

As far as I was aware it was... wasn't it connected to the same changes that will mean the beam wing disappearing from next year?

 

No, I don't think so, AFAIK PDRS is not banned, and Lotus, RB, Mercedes are developing it. I assume Ferrari and McLaren are so much up the creek, that they don't burn time on it, but those three are.

[DanardiF1]

No, I don't think so, AFAIK PDRS is not banned, and Lotus, RB, Mercedes are developing it. I assume Ferrari and McLaren are so much up the creek, that they don't burn time on it, but those three are.

 

Well I apologise for being wrong if that's the case. Am still of the opinion that devices like this are merely a band-aid solution and engineering resources should be concentrated on more fundamental concepts than working on something that is trying to recreate a device that was only really relevant back in 2010.

[DanardiF1]

Grosjean is one of those drivers that thrives on circuits like this... very much like Hamilton and Vettel he has a great feel in his right foot, crucial at Abu Dhabi with the traction out of the chicanes.

[Szoelloe]

Well I apologise for being wrong if that's the case. Am still of the opinion that devices like this are merely a band-aid solution and engineering resources should be concentrated on more fundamental concepts than working on something that is trying to recreate a device that was only really relevant back in 2010.

 

We may be in agreement about that, but I think its better than playing backgammon behind the garage on race weekends at this stage of the championship.

[peroa]

No, I don't think so, AFAIK PDRS is not banned, and Lotus, RB, Mercedes are developing it. I assume Ferrari and McLaren are so much up the creek, that they don't burn time on it, but those three are.

Bollocks, they've been fine tuning it for two years, it has never been raced succesfully, and if merc really think it will give them the edge than they're even more stupid than I thought...

They should've maybe concentrated on the ramp exhaust instead of this gimmick.

Edited by peroa, 01 November 2013 - 10:40.

[Szoelloe]

Bollocks, they've been fine tuning it for two years, it has never been raced succesfully, and if merc really think it will give them the edge than they're even more stupid than I thought...

They should've maybe concentrated on the ramp exhaust instead of this gimmick.

 

 

? BS. If they have the resources to do it, why shouldn't they? You seem to overestimate the effort that was put into it. I don't think its that much, so personally don't even care,

[RedBaron]

 

At first glance on the Autosport.com/F1 homepage I thought the Lotus was just about to land a jump.

[Shiroo]

 

At first glance on the Autosport.com/F1 homepage I thought the Lotus was just about to land a jump.

 

so not only me thought that Lotus is hovering lol

[nosecone]

DRD is not banned afaik. It is in the middle 15 or 20cm where the "monkey seats" are aswell. Since this area is still unrestricted for next season it will be in law to run a DRD.

 

Only thing which might influence the position of this device is the exhaust. For next year we have a exhaust which exits in the middle of the car. And there is some rule that there must be no bodywork in the near of the exhaust.

 

-> §5.8.5

 

but this should be no problem

[Module]

 

At first glance on the Autosport.com/F1 homepage I thought the Lotus was just about to land a jump.

 

Just imagine the thread if that would've been RBR!

[DampMongoose]

 

At first glance on the Autosport.com/F1 homepage I thought the Lotus was just about to land a jump.

 

Glad I wasn't the only one... Made me think of some North Korean photoshop propoganda of their leader winning the WDC on his first afternoon in the car!

[SpaMaster]

RB with flovis paint on diffuser...they wont stop do they, whats next goal? Lapping Mercs, Ferraris and Lotus ?

[stewie]

 

At first glance on the Autosport.com/F1 homepage I thought the Lotus was just about to land a jump.

 

Precedent set...

 

[artista]

Just imagine the thread if that would've been RBR!

well, everybody knows Red Bull gives you wings.

[Slackbladder]

Just imagine the thread if that would've been RBR!

 

Lotus's new plan for being easy on their tyres...

[Shiroo]

Lotus traction in S3 is amazing

[PARAZAR]

Ferrari not looking good so far. 

[apoka]

Softs seem to be a lot faster over a lap, but may not last long (need to wait a bit to see that). Will we see the RBs replicating their strategy of the last race?

[EvanRainer]

Softs seem to be a lot faster over a lap, but may not last long (need to wait a bit to see that). Will we see the RBs replicating their strategy of the last race?

 

I don't think so, the soft will be lasting longer here and I think they will work on making that last.

[Kvyat]

CraPirellis failing again on a FI

 

On another note, Bottas on softs can only match Maldonado's time on mediums

Edited by Kvyat, 01 November 2013 - 13:37.