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#551 Nonesuch

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 16:56

The decision not to penalize Alonso is dubious, but I think it's the right one under the circumstances. Those circumstances being the incredible ineptitude and indecisiveness of the FIA stewards.

 

Was it really so hard to get on the radio to Ferrari and tell them to have Alonso return the position at either of the next few corners? Surely not. When the Toro Rosso started falling back, it became harder, and then impossible, to fix the situation on track.

 

It's clear to me that Alonso gained an advantage by leaving the track, and that is behaviour that I think should be penalized. But because the FIA stewards diddled about, Alonso was no longer realistically able to return the place, and thus had to either get a drive-through or no penalty at all. With the Toro Rosso falling out of contention in the following laps, the 'advantage' gained by Alonso became near meaningless. I therefore think that the decision not to penalize Alonso after the race, was the right one.

 

But again: leaving the track is bad, and so is bad stewarding. This whole affair could easily have been prevented by having prompt stewards.



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#552 Racer3

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:10

How was i masterful?  :rolleyes:

Who said you were masterful? :p



#553 Andrew Hope

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:17

the stewards disagree with you :wave:

The stewards are ****ing idiots.



#554 Skinnyguy

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:18

Once again, grass is the answer to all this stuff, be it leaving the track while lapping alone or leaving it to make a pass.

 

Funny that a vegetable would do a better job that a group of stewards making sure racing stays fair.



#555 BiH

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:25

Race was boring.

 

Vettel is on another level, nothing against him but they should give him 10 place penalty just for fun for Texas to make it interesting.

 

 

 

......The track is also to blame. They should try and change layout for next year.



#556 nosecone

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:27

 
Fact
Leaving the track and gaining an advantage at Turn 3.
Offence
Alleged breach of Article 20.2 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.
Decision
No Further Action.
Reason
While Car 3 did leave the track at Turn 3-4 the stewards believe that he had no choice,
as Car 18 closed on him. Car 18 was at the end of his stint with worn tyres and was
fully committed to the Turn as Car 3 exited the pits. Telemetry confirms that Car 3 was
significantly faster, on option tyres, and had the advantage throughout the sequence.
The drivers’ explanations were completely clear. Therefore the Stewards determine that
neither car could avoid the incident, and no advantage was gained as a result of the
incident.

 

 
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: FiA  disagrees to themselves
 
It is a FACT that he gained an advantage... but then not anymore after they asked the drivers.....

Edited by nosecone, 03 November 2013 - 17:28.


#557 kimister

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:50

The explanations of stewards is not any convincing. As Prost mentioned on Sky at Post-race interview, Alonso had the choice of slowdown at that point, but he preferred to stay on throttle, so how can they conclude that there was nothing to do ?



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:50

Once again, grass is the answer to all this stuff, be it leaving the track while lapping alone or leaving it to make a pass.

 

Funny that a vegetable would do a better job that a group of stewards making sure racing stays fair.

Agree. If there had been grass, Alosno would have had to brake or, probably, abandon the race because he would have crashed out. It is these huge runoff areas that turn races, in many cases, into subjective matters ultimately.

 

IMO the stewards should use that criterion to determine the penalty: what would have probably happened if that had been grass or a wall? If the car was deemed to have gained an advantage driving outside the track, which he wouldn't have gained had there been grass or wall, then the driver should be penalized. Clearly FA was out of control, jumping over that kerb like a Baja 1000 truck and there was no way he would have been able to stay on track with grass, so I guess a penalty should have been given.


Edited by RealRacing, 03 November 2013 - 19:13.


#559 Muppetmad

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:51

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111117

 

So... the stewards didn't think a penalty was warranted, Alonso (naturally) didn't think a penalty was warranted and Vergne didn't think a penalty was warranted. That's a rare consensus.



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#560 SophieB

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:52

From Adam Cooper on twitter:

@adamcooperf1: '@alo_oficial set off the FIA crash g-force warning light when he hit the kerb battling with VER. That means automatic medical check-up
@adamcooperf1: After being seen in the medical centre @alo_oficial has now gone to hospital. Ferrari says don't worry, it's all routine

#561 SenorSjon

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 17:56

Once again, grass is the answer to all this stuff, be it leaving the track while lapping alone or leaving it to make a pass.

 

Funny that a vegetable would do a better job that a group of stewards making sure racing stays fair.

 

To bad grass burns to a crisp at the current day tracks.

 

Hamilton spins in Hungary(?) in 2010 and rejoins. One of the FI backmarkers evades him when he rejoins and Hamilton gets a DT

Alonso overtook Kubica who was dead slow in Silverstone. He got a DT for skipping track limits.

Grosjean got a DT for overtaking Massa out of bounds in Hungary.

Numerous peeps got a DT for going outside the kerbs at Singapore, except when your name is Rosberg and you take the first corner on the outside of the track (2010-11-12)

 

I find it odd that Alonso could rejoin like that. Alonso left the pits, he should have braked. Any old-school track forced him to use his brakes or lift.



#562 muramasa

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:10

didnt know it was eclipse today. :eek:

 

Was that setting sun shown during GP the solar eclipse ?? :eek: I thought the sun was behind a building or sth.



#563 Kyo

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:12

didnt know it was eclipse today. :eek:

 

Was that setting sun shown during GP the solar eclipse ?? :eek: I thought the sun was behind a building or sth.

I believe it was.



#564 dau

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:17

didnt know it was eclipse today. :eek:

 

Was that setting sun shown during GP the solar eclipse ?? :eek: I thought the sun was behind a building or sth.

 

http://gulfnews.com/...e-uae-1.1250779

https://en.wikipedia...ovember_3,_2013

 

Wondered about that as well. No one even said anything.


Edited by dau, 03 November 2013 - 18:18.


#565 Andrew Hope

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:23

http://gulfnews.com/...e-uae-1.1250779

https://en.wikipedia...ovember_3,_2013

 

Wondered about that as well. No one even said anything.

The commentators mentioned it.



#566 Dolph

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:27

 

 
 
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: FiA  disagrees to themselves
 
It is a FACT that he gained an advantage... but then not anymore after they asked the drivers.....

 

 

Its an allegation, not a statement



#567 dau

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:27

The commentators mentioned it.

In that case i probably missed it because i was paying no attention to their mindless babbling.



#568 muramasa

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:36

http://gulfnews.com/...e-uae-1.1250779

https://en.wikipedia...ovember_3,_2013

 

Wondered about that as well. No one even said anything.

cheers.

come to think, i think i read somewhere solar eclipse was happening soon  but didnt know it was today and exactly where.

Was just skimming through twitter and a lot of eclipse pics and reports coming in there, and one of pics was very similar to the one that was shown during the race, so i went like, "...what!? I saw this thing today somewhere". :lol:


Edited by muramasa, 03 November 2013 - 18:37.


#569 ZZei

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:45

No penalties for vettel as doing doughnuts OUT the track is apparently allowed. Not that one would be needed but they could atleast try to have some kind of logic in their decisions.



#570 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:56

even if the race is boring, it's nice to see the setting sun. 

The most significant thing of 2013 Abu Dhabi GP was solar eclipse that was possible to see at Yas Marina circuit in the first half of the race. AFAIK it is the only such case in the whole history of Grand Prix racing...



#571 SamH123

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 19:19

cheers.

come to think, i think i read somewhere solar eclipse was happening soon  but didnt know it was today and exactly where.

Was just skimming through twitter and a lot of eclipse pics and reports coming in there, and one of pics was very similar to the one that was shown during the race, so i went like, "...what!? I saw this thing today somewhere". :lol:

 

OMG, I said to myself why does it look like an eclipse??

That's cool it was a real one



#572 V3TT3L

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 19:45

Abu Dhaboring  :p



#573 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 21:10

'Champions drive Seb!'
Erm, how exactly?


Is he champion? Yes. Did he drive? Pretty well I'd say. 30 second lead after not much more than 30 laps. Probably his most dominant ever.

#574 Deluxx

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 23:16

Even 80% seems a bit generous, other than the start and Alonso coming out of the pits I didn't see any non drs passes.

 

The "racing" at Abu Dhabi has always been boring though.

 

Yeah but it would be inherently better if you didn't just see a 20mph burst of the car behind's speed and the guy and front can do nothing pretty much to stop it.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 23:19

From Adam Cooper on twitter:

@adamcooperf1: '@alo_oficial set off the FIA crash g-force warning light when he hit the kerb battling with VER. That means automatic medical check-up
@adamcooperf1: After being seen in the medical centre @alo_oficial has now gone to hospital. Ferrari says don't worry, it's all routine

Good news!  Thank you for posting.