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Magnussen or Perez - who would you choose for 2014?


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Poll: McLaren Driver Line Up 2014 (368 member(s) have cast votes)

Who would you pick?

  1. Perez (113 votes [30.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.79%

  2. Magnussen (224 votes [61.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 61.04%

  3. Don't know (30 votes [8.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.17%

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#1 Owen

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 12:56

Seems a decision is imminent on this.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111146

 

Who would you put in the 2014 McLaren - from these two options?



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#2 TomNokoe

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:02

It would be grossly unfair to get rid of Perez after only one season. But Magnussen seems to have a lot of potential. An extra year would help McLaren evaluate both drivers. Does Perez cut the mustard? Stick Magnussen in a GP2 seat or a smaller F1 team and see if he is the real deal, and a years extra experience can't hurt, especially if it was a F1 team he went to, with the rule changes for next year etc. GP2 would help him to familiarise the tracks and get a real feel for a race weekend, though the crazy world that is GP2 may not be kind to him and may tarnish his reputation disproportionately.



#3 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:05

Can we choose and instead of or?

 

I am all for giving youth a chance.



#4 Owen

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:07

Can we choose and instead of or?

 

I am all for giving youth a chance.

You'll have to express that in the comments! JB is signed up for 1 year and these are the two options under consideration at Woking. :)



#5 Britophile

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:11

JB is signed up for 1 year

 

Is it confirmed yet?



#6 Spillage

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:11

Perez. What is the point of signing a 22 year-old and then not giving him time to improve? It's not like he's been miles off the pace. Perez should be considered a long-term investment, there is absolutely no reason to believe he won't get better with every passing year.

 

This is in contrast to Button, who is approaching the end of his career. Mclaren should give Magnussen a year in GP2, perhaps another in a rear-grid F1 team, and if he impresses then they should look to move Button, 35 by then, towards the exit. They're only going to have to replace him in a few years anyway.



#7 Zoetrope

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:13

I was against Perez joinig McLaren, but replacing him with Magnussen, who is another unknown to me, wouldn't be wise unless McLaren have good data to back it up. I don't think Perez is doing that bad either.



#8 P123

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:13

I'd sign Perez for one more year and try and place Magnussen with somebody like Marussia for a season.



#9 Owen

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:13

Is it confirmed yet?

not officially but 'off the record' yes.

http://www.mirror.co...ren-one-2366272



#10 noikeee

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:14

Kevin is impressive and one to keep an eye on, but hasn't warranted a direct promotion straight to a McLaren seat on his F1 debut season. It's not like he shredded the junior series apart like Hamilton or Hulkenberg did. I think they'd run a very big risk of burning him out by throwing him at the deep end like that, and the potential performance gain over Pérez is dubious at best, particularly given how difficult it is for rookies these days without testing - give him a year in a backmarker team.



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:18

Given the rule changes next year, I'd go for someone with a lot of experience, not a rookie and not Perez, maybe Hulk, or someone with a bit more experience than him even



#12 SenorSjon

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:22

I would add both to the poll options.

 

If Button is confirmed, why is it taking so long to go public with it? I don't believe it at all.



#13 SpartanChas

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:22

Putting a rookie in a top team is always going to be a big risk but I think now, without testing, the risk is too big.

I'm a fan of Checo anyway, he deserves a decent shot.

#14 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:32

if they really do think of hiring Magnussen for 2014 they surely are deperate

I mean they should have hired HUL for 2013 then they would not have this hassle now...

 

But, Magnussen quitting the GP2 test is really strange...



#15 bogi

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:37

Kevin Magnussen on The Racer's Edge

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=WVcW4DpswCM

 

Skip to 0:18:25



#16 Slackbladder

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:38

To be honest, I know little to nothing of Magnussen, but then the last rookie which went straight into McLaren didn't turn out so badly...



#17 EthanM

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:40

2014 will be very much a transitional year for them, I 'd go with Magnussen simply because I see more upside in him and he would definitely benefit more from a season at the sharp end, without crazy expectations than a rent-a-drive in a Marussia or something.



#18 wj_gibson

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:42

I'm torn a bit on this - but it seems obvious that McLaren has little faith in Sergio Perez's long-term future anyway. I get the impression that even if retained he's just keeping the seat warm for someone else, a bit like Stefan Johansson did in 1987. In that case they might as well stick Kevin in the car straight away. It's not like they're going to be in contention for the 2014 title anyway.

 

No doubt Magnussen-Alonso is McLaren's dream line-up for 2015.


Edited by wj_gibson, 05 November 2013 - 13:43.


#19 sergeym

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:43

To be fair McLaren has bigger issues than drivers line-up. Replacing Perez will not help them much unless they can build good car next year.



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#20 ensign14

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:54

Perez.  He has Grand Prix-winning pace, a bit more experience now, and still lots of potential for the future.

 

Magnussen has one-and-a-half of the above.

 

Better for McLaren to park Magnussen at a friendly low-tier team for a year and then re-assess.  And, frankly, if I were looking to promote Magnussen into the line-up, I'd be thinking of him as a replacement for Button rather than Perez.



#21 Jon83

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:02

Given the rule changes next year, I'd go for someone with a lot of experience, not a rookie and not Perez, maybe Hulk, or someone with a bit more experience than him even

 

Hulk doesn't have more experience in F1 (race seat at least) although probably does fall into the 'expereinced' category at least.

 

I think McLaren should consider Hulk but if it is a choice of Perez or Magnussen, I think they should keep Perez.
 


Edited by Jon83, 05 November 2013 - 14:08.


#22 wj_gibson

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:07

I think the teams who have one driver of significant experience next year will be fine to bring in a less experienced driver, so long as there are good systems for data sharing and the like and as long as expectations re: the inexperienced one are set at a realistic level (i.e. a Button-Magnussen partnership would, IMO, be feasible). It's teams that have two comparatively inexperienced drivers that I think may struggle.



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:10

I say big, bold decisions are called for. Perez was given his chance and spent a lot of the season just messing up the races of other drivers. He then made a total ass of himself by saying this was basically just tough luck for them because what other choice do they have but to get out of his way if they don't want to damage their championship hopes. Then he seemed surprised when this went down like a cup of cold sick with his peers who actually rather resented him barging them off track and complained people were picking on him. Wow, who could have seen that coming? And I am not seeing enough flashes of genuine talent that make all that hassle worth it and to make me want McLaren to keep the faith.

Cut him loose now, Macca - that gives Perez a chance to find a new drive elsewhere on the grid and work his way back up, hoping for another shot at the big time. Roll the dice and give Kev a chance!



#24 Fastcake

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:12

I'll stick with Perez. He's had a tough year in a poor car, but his form hasn't been bad and he has had some good performances. Perez has shown the potential to win races, and ditching him after only one year seems remarkably unfair.

Magnussen is a talent I'm sure, but it would be better to have another year in gaining experience, perhaps in a lower F1 team, before being considered for a McLaren drive.

#25 Britophile

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:23

I say big, bold decisions are called for. Perez was given his chance and spent a lot of the season just messing up the races of other drivers. He then made a total ass of himself by saying this was basically just tough luck for them because what other choice do they have but to get out of his way if they don't want to damage their championship hopes. Then he seemed surprised when this went down like a cup of cold sick with his peers who actually rather resented him barging them off track and complained people were picking on him. Wow, who could have seen that coming? And I am not seeing enough flashes of genuine talent that make all that hassle worth it and to make me want McLaren to keep the faith.

Cut him loose now, Macca - that gives Perez a chance to find a new drive elsewhere on the grid and work his way back up, hoping for another shot at the big time. Roll the dice and give Kev a chance!

 

This.

 

My thoughts exactly, word for word.



#26 Raven8

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:27

Neither IMo, they should have gone for Hülkenberg



#27 wj_gibson

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:28

I fail to see the point of retaining a driver in whom a team clearly has little confidence.



#28 SenorSjon

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:29

To be honest, I know little to nothing of Magnussen, but then the last rookie which went straight into McLaren didn't turn out so badly...

Wasn't that Kovalainen... :p



#29 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:32

Given the rule changes next year, I'd go for someone with a lot of experience, not a rookie and not Perez, maybe Hulk, or someone with a bit more experience than him even

 

i don't think hulk has that much more experience than perez. 



#30 D A

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:32

Wasn't that Kovalainen... :p

He drove for Renault first.



#31 Collective

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:41

McLaren has done great to deviate all attention from their colossal failure known as MP24-8 to their drivers, and to Checo more concretely. 

 

The truth is that when you give your drivers a midfield car you get midfield results. Perez has rarely been off the pace, and while he has had mistakes in close racing, the team has also given him a fair share of crappy strategy decisions, timing errors in Q2, and painfully slow pitstops. I frankly think it evens out. He should be given a proper car for a season, and then we'll see. It's not like Magnussen is going to be the savior in his rookie year with today's limited testing anyway. Give him a Marussia or some Friday outings.


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#32 David Lightman

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:49

I'd dump Perez, sign Hulk, place Magnussen at a small team for a year then if promising replace JB with Magnussen, assuming Hulk performs as he should. McLaren need to take some risks, but not stupid ones like going for a radical design this year.



#33 bub

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:50

Perez.



#34 Diablobb81

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 14:58

Neither McLaren drivers impressed this season but maybe they should keep Button for his experience. Perez out and Kevin in though.


Edited by Diablobb81, 05 November 2013 - 14:59.


#35 SpartanChas

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 15:11

The more I think about it the more I think JB and K-Mag would be a good lineup. They're obviously not convinced on Peréz if they haven't signed him yet.

#36 chipmcdonald

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 15:24

Perez has outperformed Jenson on occasions, and has been on par the whole time - it would be bozoic to can him after one season for an unknown quantity.

 

McLaren would be better served fooling around with their driving lineup *after* they have made a championship-capable winning car first, I would think.



#37 SenorSjon

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 15:36

He drove for Renault first.

Hmmm, another bad driver choice then. History repeats. Bar Alonso, I can't remember McLaren switching drivers only after one year. I think you have to go back to the Andretti/Mansell days for that.



#38 alekracing

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 15:37

Perez. McLaren just wants to prevent Sergio relax in the last races like last year when they announced his signing with the team.



#39 Jimisgod

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 15:42

The gap between Button - Perez is much smaller than Hamilton - Kovalinen.

Even Heikki got 2 years to achieve nothing.

Mclaren needs to build a proper car first. They build a bad car every 2nd year and squander their good cars.

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#40 William Hunt

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 15:52

If McLaren would dump Perez for Magnussen than this would be because they can't admit that they have done a poor job by building a poor car. Easier to blame it on the drivers.



#41 Buttoneer

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 16:07

I don't know.

 

I've been really disappointed by Perez this year, but you have to make allowances for a driver to get used to a team so I wouldn't be surprised if he got another year out of McLaren.  At the time I thought was was a decent choice, but on relfection I rather wish they had taken Hulkenberg.

 

While I'm not sure about Perez, I am certain that they shouldn't bring in Magnussen.  Far better that they go for a second year with a known quantity than try again with a rookie of unknown quantity.  The Last brilliant Magnussen who entered F1 didn't look so hot in the top series as he had the feeders, so past performance is no guarantee of future results.  As they say in investment business.  Such as banks.  Like Santander for example.  There is a link.



#42 Paul084

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 16:27

I think the best choice is to stick with Perez, Magnussen would be too much of a gamble considering he's not driven F1 before.

On a side note I really don't get why people are asking for Button to be replaced, he is a WDC who has won races whenever he's had the car to do so :confused:


Edited by Paul084, 05 November 2013 - 16:30.


#43 Jackmancer

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 16:31

Perez. I think he'll be better than Button next year, plus he brings money.



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 16:32

Perez seems to be getting better, let him race in 2014...

 

let Magnussen race in GP2, it's closer to F1, and if he does well (dominate, that's what I would expect from a future top team driver on a spec series with not so great drivers, according to most here) he would be a good choice for 2015, maybe even alongside Perez.



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 16:38

Given the rule changes next year, I'd go for someone with a lot of experience, not a rookie and not Perez, maybe Hulk, or someone with a bit more experience than him even

 

Why do large rule changes necessitate drivers with lots of experience? Shouldn't it provide the clean slate that gives a rookie the chance to shine (e.g Hamilton and 2007 control tyres)?



#46 wj_gibson

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 16:57

Perez seems to be getting better, let him race in 2014...

 

let Magnussen race in GP2, it's closer to F1, and if he does well (dominate, that's what I would expect from a future top team driver on a spec series with not so great drivers, according to most here) he would be a good choice for 2015, maybe even alongside Perez.

 

That puts him under unnecessary pressure, though. He's already won 3.5 and it's widely recognised as a much tougher series these days than GP2. Why risk putting him into a situation that (spec series or not) can very easily be compromised by poor team decisions?



#47 SPBHM

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 17:04

That puts him under unnecessary pressure, though. He's already won 3.5 and it's widely recognised as a much tougher series these days than GP2. Why risk putting him into a situation that (spec series or not) can very easily be compromised by poor team decisions?

 

Because I think it's a good test for the pressure he will have to handle driving in F1 for a top team.

and Mclaren shouldn't be desperate to change their drivers right now... if they were forced to let one go it would be different...



#48 MattPete

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 17:06

I'd sign Kobayashi.



#49 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 17:22

Definitely Pérez if I have to choose between the two. I mean, I hear people saying Pérez wasn't ready for McLaren, so how can Magnussen be then? At least Pérez has a few years of F1 experience in him and deserves a chance in a good McLaren.



#50 f1rules

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 17:31

McLaren has done great to deviate all attention from their colossal failure known as MP24-8 to their drivers, and to Checo more concretely. 

 

The truth is that when you give your drivers a midfield car you get midfield results. Perez has rarely been off the pace, and while he has had mistakes in close racing, the team has also given him a fair share of crappy strategy decisions, timing errors in Q2, and painfully slow pitstops. I frankly think it evens out. He should be given a proper car for a season, and then we'll see. It's not like Magnussen is going to be the savior in his rookie year with today's limited testing anyway. Give him a Marussia or some Friday outings.

 

"Mistakes in close racing,"  im sorry but he just dont have the feeling, many of his mistakes has been rookie mistakes, mistakes that showed poor judgement like forcing people of the track when there was no need