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#1 Kristian

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:14

Ecclestone believes that F1 should adapt "the model used in tennis, where not all tournaments are worth the same number of points, which creates added suspense." For the ATP World Tour, there is a "complex scoring system in which games are classified differently based on points given to the winner." F1 could "feature 25-point grands prix, which it currently has, and also have events worth 50 points." The "last race of the season could be worth 100 points, which would introduce an element of uncertainty." This way, the GPs in Australia, Malaysia, China, Bahrain, Spain, Canada, Hungary, Germany, Italy and Belgium would "remain worth 25 points." The races that would "be worth 50 would be the historically important grands prix -- like Monaco and England -- while the Brazil race would have a value of 100 points." Introducing this system, which is still "far from becoming a reality, would have the advantage for F1 of being able to charge the circuits that distribute the most points at a higher rate"

 

http://www.sportsbus...F1-Tennis.aspx?

 

Personally I hope this is speculation and not actually something he is seriously considering, but maybe I'm just old school.

 

Thoughts? 


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#2 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:24

No thanks.



#3 Clatter

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:31

A change of points in this way would not cure the problem of a team being able to produce a dominant car. And if they charge the circuit more based on the points earned there, then that charge will just be pushed onto the paying fans who would see no added value. 



#4 DampMongoose

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:38

Bernie missed April 1st by a good margin this time... let's all hope we have this system along with short-cuts and artificial rain, can't be more contrived than DRS can it?



#5 ensign14

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:38

Bernie In Making Mischievous Statement To Garner Publicity Shock.



#6 pRy

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:38

It's as if he's suggesting teams like Ferrari or McLaren don't try hard enough to win races because there aren't enough points to be won which is clearly absolute fantasy. All the system he's suggested would do is result in the dominant driver and team having a 500 point lead at the end of the year. Changing the points system has no direct impact on the track. I thought after the last change that penny might have dropped for him but he still seems to think more points = more exciting races.

 

If he wants to mix up F1, fix the tyres, fix the aerodynamics to limit the tools available to folks like Newey and let the drivers do the driving. Remove the gimmicks in the car. Remove pit to car radio. I'd welcome all of those things before a silly points system that gives 100 points for winning at Monaco. It just sounds bonkers. It works in Tennis because the tennis players make the difference. F1 is ruled by the cars.

 

Agree with the above.. it's a distraction.


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#7 steferrari

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:38

Ridiculous.

Imagine if a driver do a great championship and arrives to Brasil with a 90 points lead.

Let's say in Brasil he has a car failure and his rival win, he would lose the championship only because, for some strange reasons, this race is worth 100 points.

 

No.



#8 SophieB

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:40

He keeps pitching this one from time to time. He certainly did last year - small article from April 2012: http://www.motorspor...-slam-f1-races/



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:43

It is a plot to have a GP every week somewhere, just like tennis. You can differentiate GP's that way. Hell, in the future, we might have 'optional' races, just like tennis.

 

No thank you, the tennis ranking is hopeless to follow.



#10 EthanM

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:49

What would be even more fun I think would be if nobody knew the points each race was worth. Instead Bernie could hold a press conference say a week after the last Grand Prix of the season and announce what points each race worth for that year. Wouldn't that be fun? The championship would stay alive even after it was over

 

 

yeah I know Bernie likes to make silly statements whenever there's a lull in F1 related news but he should stop.



#11 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:17

I thought Bernie preferred medals anyway.



#12 alfa1

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:17

... Bernie could hold a press conference say a week after the last Grand Prix of the season and announce what points each race worth for that year.

Wouldn't that be fun? The championship would stay alive even after it was over

 

 

And then at the end of the year, a special TV viewers voting system could be introduced to change the points that a driver has recieved through the year.

That way the championship would stay alive even after it was over, and even after it was over again.



#13 Amphicar

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:20

While we're about it why don't we borrow from Ski-Jumping and award points for style as well as the boring factual race positions. Of course style points at fashionable places such as Monaco would be worth more than those at unfashionable places such as Korea. Even better - let's get rid of points for race positions completely and substitute a voting system like Strictly Come Dancing - now that should attract the casual viewers and increase the sale of Sky subscriptions, which is what really matters.

 

(for the avoidance of doubt, the suggestions in this post may not be entirely serious)



#14 Kelateboy

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:22

Absolutely retarded idea.



#15 Tsarwash

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:41

I don't actually mind the idea of optional races that some teams would choose not to attend, as this might relieve pressure on smaller teams and make it interesting for some, but this is not what he is suggesting. This is just Bernie's usual throw enough crazy ideas out there and see what the reaction is thing that he does intermittently. 



#16 P123

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:42

He should give up thinking.

 

Or alternatively start putting his grey matter towards thinking up ways of how to generate some interest in F1 in the likes of India, China, Korea, etc. 



#17 noikeee

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:44

How about, like MEDALS, but mixed with this ATP crap?

 

So you'd have the big, GOLD medal for winning at Monaco, which would be, like, the F1 Olympics or the F1 Grand Slam and shit, and a small plastic cup for winning at Abu Dhabi. A small toy plastic cup but with blinking lights resembling the hotel.

 

End of the season the championship standings are measured in trophy earnings, so the guy who won at Monaco gets 50 thousand dollar points for that gold medal and the guy that won at Abu Dhabi gets 50 cent points. Maybe 60 cent, cause the blinking lights cost money.

 

Or alternatively we can just send Bernie home for good because his senility isn't letting him make up better publicity stunts.



#18 Fastcake

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:44

I thought it was about time for another Bernie idea.

Next week, speculation about a brand new F1 race.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:47

What was it last time, shortcuts?



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#20 Clatter

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:49

I don't actually mind the idea of optional races that some teams would choose not to attend, as this might relieve pressure on smaller teams and make it interesting for some, but this is not what he is suggesting. This is just Bernie's usual throw enough crazy ideas out there and see what the reaction is thing that he does intermittently. 

That might be OK for someone who only watches on TV, but for those who pay we expect to see a full grid even if they are slower than the top teams. 



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:50

The only thing approaching this that I would actually approve of is having non-championship races with relaxed rules. The non-championship races would be at new circuits or similar, and would only graduate to championship status based on success (a bit like things were done in the old days).

 

The relaxed rules would allow teams to skip the race, or enter 1 car, or 3, or more. They'd be allowed to run in different colours to attrack local sponsors or to run different drivers without using up their limit of driver changes in the championship. Races formats could be experimented with, so heat races and the like. But the 16 championship races would remain with the standard format.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:51

If he wants to mix up F1, fix the tyres, fix the aerodynamics to limit the tools available to folks like Newey and let the drivers do the driving. Remove the gimmicks in the car. Remove pit to car radio.

 

No thanks. There are plenty of series which have that and if you can go and watch them. Formula 1 is not about putting drivers into equal cars and watching best one win, it is also, or maybe most of all, about engineering, about teamwork, about being smarter than the opposition.



#23 noikeee

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:52

What was it last time, shortcuts?

 

And the track sprinkles, automated artificial rain at random times.

 

With KERS+DRS F1 is like a glorified Mario Kart anyway, so why not. What about a Chase-type thing where you need to win the last race to win the title. So if you win any of the previous 19 races you get a congratulations card saying "Well done! But Princess Tamara is in another castle!"



#24 redreni

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:53

There's no reason why a win in the last race should count for more than a win in the first race. It's just a tacky way of increasing the likelihood that the title will go down to the wire.

 

I'm not opposed to differential points per se - it makes sense that Le Mans carries double WEC points, it makes sense that Bathurst carries double V8 Supercar Championship points. Same for the Indy 500. It could make sense for some events to carry double F1 championship points if you make them longer or more arduous than the others, or if you make them into double-headers like the Surfers Paradise event in V8SC.

 

You'd have to pick the right event(s), make sure it's something that's going to be well attended both by punters and by the great and the good in F1, and by high profile VIPs, so that it's clear to anyone watching that this is one of F1's flagship events and that's why it's worth more in championship terms than standard events. One thing I'd like to see with this kind of event is for F1 to make a bit of an effort in terms of presentation - if you watch the pre-race coverage of the Bathurst 1000, one of the things they as the tension builds is make each team bring their car out to the front of the garage and the main driver, co-driver and race engineer literally stand to attention in front of their vehicle for the cameras, and the cameras go down the length of pitlane introducing the teams and drivers to the TV audience (because they know that Bathurst gets a lot of extra viewers who don't watch the rest of the races). It's taken really seriously by everyone and a lot of effort goes into making sure the cars, the garages and the drivers and race engineers are looking absolutely pristine for the cameras. It's not a massive deal but it's indicative of the esteem in which that particular event is held - it's only double points but it's worth a lot more to the drivers than winning two normal V8SC races. In fact, some drivers would rather win Bathurst than win the title. F1 lacks a flagship event where everybody goes the extra mile to try to sell the sport, or at least present it in a good light, to a broader than usual audience. So I'd be in favour of doing that with, say Silverstone. Have a qualifying race on the Saturday afternoon over half a GP distance, with a few points on offer for the top three, then have a 1.5 times GP distance event on the Sunday, with 1.5 times the usual number of points awarded.



#25 F.M.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:56

Thing is, the points system in Tennis is based on the level of the playing field. Small tournaments with less high quality players give you less points.

 

So what F1 could to do to implement this system is having like a 40 race calender, with a number of races that are viewed as historical important and therefore worth a lot of points obligated to race in for all teams, while on the other weekends there are 2 races at 2 different tracks which the teams can choose the join. Or, every weekend an additional sprint race worth less points, but you can only participate in half of them with the choice which one up to you.



#26 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:01

How about you have 20 races and start the season with 21 drivers. After each race, you can vote for your driver of the race. The driver that wins the vote goes through to the 'F1 World Championship Grand Final" which is a special 21st race which decides the championship at a track voted for by viewers. The driver with the fewest votes leaves the Championship for the season until you get to the final race with just 2 drivers left. The winner of that wins the 'Minor Championship' and also goes through to the 'Grand Final'. The 'Grand Final' is then contested between the drivers who won the 'driver of the race vote' throughout the season, with the race winner being crowned F1 World Champion.

 

Or maybe not.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:08

Not points, but maybe prize money.  Two races each season stand out as examples where the teams have to put in a lot of tangentially useful development time; Monza where they create a low downforce configuration and a high one for Monaco.  Perhaps the effort there is worth something 'more' than just the standard points, but surely not in the form of even more points?



#28 Clatter

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:08

There's no reason why a win in the last race should count for more than a win in the first race. It's just a tacky way of increasing the likelihood that the title will go down to the wire.

 

I'm not opposed to differential points per se - it makes sense that Le Mans carries double WEC points, it makes sense that Bathurst carries double V8 Supercar Championship points. Same for the Indy 500. It could make sense for some events to carry double F1 championship points if you make them longer or more arduous than the others, or if you make them into double-headers like the Surfers Paradise event in V8SC.

 

You'd have to pick the right event(s), make sure it's something that's going to be well attended both by punters and by the great and the good in F1, and by high profile VIPs, so that it's clear to anyone watching that this is one of F1's flagship events and that's why it's worth more in championship terms than standard events. One thing I'd like to see with this kind of event is for F1 to make a bit of an effort in terms of presentation - if you watch the pre-race coverage of the Bathurst 1000, one of the things they as the tension builds is make each team bring their car out to the front of the garage and the main driver, co-driver and race engineer literally stand to attention in front of their vehicle for the cameras, and the cameras go down the length of pitlane introducing the teams and drivers to the TV audience (because they know that Bathurst gets a lot of extra viewers who don't watch the rest of the races). It's taken really seriously by everyone and a lot of effort goes into making sure the cars, the garages and the drivers and race engineers are looking absolutely pristine for the cameras. It's not a massive deal but it's indicative of the esteem in which that particular event is held - it's only double points but it's worth a lot more to the drivers than winning two normal V8SC races. In fact, some drivers would rather win Bathurst than win the title. F1 lacks a flagship event where everybody goes the extra mile to try to sell the sport, or at least present it in a good light, to a broader than usual audience. So I'd be in favour of doing that with, say Silverstone. Have a qualifying race on the Saturday afternoon over half a GP distance, with a few points on offer for the top three, then have a 1.5 times GP distance event on the Sunday, with 1.5 times the usual number of points awarded.

And the point of that would be? The teams are not losing on purpose and changing the points system is not going to magically change the pecking order.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:10

How about you have 20 races and start the season with 21 drivers. After each race, you can vote for your driver of the race. The driver that wins the vote goes through to the 'F1 World Championship Grand Final" which is a special 21st race which decides the championship at a track voted for by viewers. The driver with the fewest votes leaves the Championship for the season until you get to the final race with just 2 drivers left. The winner of that wins the 'Minor Championship' and also goes through to the 'Grand Final'. The 'Grand Final' is then contested between the drivers who won the 'driver of the race vote' throughout the season, with the race winner being crowned F1 World Champion.

 

Or maybe not.

 

Drivers booted out mid-race by twitter votings.

 

Celebrity guest drivers.

 

Laser guns strapped to cars.



#30 Fastcake

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:31

Maybe we should have a vertical loop in the middle of the track. The driver who completes the most loops during the race receives the "Mark Webber loop de loop award".

#31 redreni

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:34

And the point of that would be? The teams are not losing on purpose and changing the points system is not going to magically change the pecking order.

 

No, and I wouldn't want to change the pecking order. I'd want to create a blue ribband event where the sport showcases itself to the casual viewer that can't be bothered to watch all the races on a regular basis. And then hopefully a certain portion of that extra audience gets hooked and starts watching the standard races.



#32 Baddoer

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:38

Medals. Only medals.



#33 Tsarwash

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:43

That might be OK for someone who only watches on TV, but for those who pay we expect to see a full grid even if they are slower than the top teams. 

That is true. I was perhaps being nostalgic and harking back to the days where you had say 18 runners who were there for every race, and the other nine or ten cars changed form race to race. I wasn't thinking that a race with only twelve cars would be desirable to anybody. 

 

Bernie comes out with ideas like this when championships get stagnant. Red Bull are much more a powerful company than Ferrari are and I doubt that they will put up with any measures to skew the championship away from them. (Red Bull are probably in a position to buy the whole damn sport if they wanted to.)



#34 Kristian

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:44

In terms of crazy ideas, I actually think Mad Max's driver swapping plan of 2002 would have worked quite well this season....  :stoned:



#35 fabr68

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:48

What happened with the gold medals?

Is it Tennis season already?

Next year he will want the Soccer points model

#36 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:49

Ehhhh....why are some tennis events scored differently? Type of surface?



#37 The Kanisteri

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:51

Stupid idea.

 

I rather see point system every one taking part in GP and finishing race will get point(s). If all 22 cars finish the race, last one gets 1 point. If retires from race, no points.

 

Same for teams.



#38 ANF

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:53

What happened with the gold medals?

Is it Tennis season already?

Next year he will want the Soccer points model

Snooker.



#39 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:05

Snooker.

 

Perfect for Ferrari. :p  Red cars score 1 point. Yellow cars score 2 points...

 

White cars obviously lose 4 points, or the number corresponding to the car ahead, or behind, whatevers higher.

 

Cars that aren't red only score if they finish immediately after a red car, until all the red cars finish.

 

Am I over thinking this? :lol:


Edited by PayasYouRace, 06 November 2013 - 13:07.


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#40 DinocoBlue

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:17

Oh do keep quiet Bernie. You're just showing yourself up now.



#41 redreni

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:21

Perfect for Ferrari. :p  Red cars score 1 point. Yellow cars score 2 points...

 

White cars obviously lose 4 points, or the number corresponding to the car ahead, or behind, whatevers higher.

 

Cars that aren't red only score if they finish immediately after a red car, until all the red cars finish.

 

Am I over thinking this? :lol:

 

You might find every team has one red car and one black car, thus being able to score a maximum 8 points for a 1-2. I'll wager there are some confused Americans reading this! :lol:



#42 Tsarwash

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:21

PayasYouRace, so the Lotus cars would score most, as long as they finished behind a Ferrari. Williams would have to change to a light blue colour for this to work, and of course we would need Jordan and Jaguar back. Had anybody ever raced in bright pink ?  :rotfl:



#43 maximilian

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:24

You guys keep falling for those Bernie curveballs he just likes to drop to get F1 into the news (especially while his trial is going on!) - circuit shortcuts, anyone? :wave:



#44 king_crud

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:24

when is this man going to drop off his perch?



#45 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:28

PayasYouRace, so the Lotus cars would score most, as long as they finished behind a Ferrari. Williams would have to change to a light blue colour for this to work, and of course we would need Jordan and Jaguar back. Had anybody ever raced in bright pink ?  :rotfl:

 

Well there was the 1992 Brabham that was pink and blue. It would score 11 points but only if it reversed over the line after a brown car.



#46 icewest07

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:28

I can only imagine Alonso helmet design when he retires... provided Vettel hasnt already beaten him to this record by then

:kiss: 


Edited by icewest07, 06 November 2013 - 13:29.


#47 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:29

What about the Rock Scissor Paper qualifying format, Bernie?



#48 aray

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:29

this one tops his idea of sprinkler to create wet races..his brain is maturing ..  ;)



#49 alframsey

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:34

This is frankly a ridiculous idea, Bernie needs to stop meddling.



#50 Nonesuch

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:43

I thought it was about time for another Bernie idea.

Next week, speculation about a brand new F1 race.

 

It's all so very predictable. I wonder how he manages to keep this shtick going. Are the 'journalists' really that desperate for page views? :down:

 

Anyway, it's a brilliant idea. Especially that last bit. It "would have the advantage for F1 of being able to charge the circuits that distribute the most points at a higher rate"!

 

Let the oil money flow! You heard it here first: Abu Dhabi win to be worth 250 points in 2015! :up: