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#51 SophieB

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:51

@alanbaldwinf1: You'd think Lotus might have delayed issuing their race preview on Friday if there was an imminent risk of surgery.
@alanbaldwinf1: "We should have a much longer race in Austin," said Kimi. "I'm particularly looking forward to this one..."

As for me, I hope Kimi's surgery goes well and he's back fighting fully fit for next season.

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#52 midgrid

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:52

Quite apart from the effects of this decision on this season, I hope Räikkönen's surgery is successful and that he is back (ha) to full fitness for next season - it would be a great shame for his return to Ferrari and showdown with Alonso to be compromised by physical problems.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:57

Quite apart from the effects of this decision on this season, I hope Räikkönen's surgery is successful and that he is back (ha) to full fitness for next season - it would be a great shame for his return to Ferrari and showdown with Alonso to be compromised by physical problems.

 

He has done several back-surgeries in the past (already in his McLaren times) and he's been fine after that. I think the last one was during his rallying career. Maybe now they want to fix it for good.


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#54 swerved

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:57

What about Mansoor Ijaz' brother, Mujeeb, stepping in? He is said to hold a land speed record at Bonneville in a battery car. This would be a nice opportunity for Lotus to work closely with their new technology partners.

 

I can see positives in that, but negatives also, Being "Ijaz" batteries i wonder if their batteries are rated in Billiamp hours rather than Mah.



#55 kosmos

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:58

Is probably for the best, good luck with the surgery. :up:



#56 Tsarwash

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:59

Kimi doesn't want to go to the FIA Gala.

Extreme measure, but each to their own.  :rotfl:



#57 midgrid

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:00

He has done several back-surgeries in the past (already in his McLaren times) and he's been fine after that. I think the last one was during his rallying career. Maybe now they want to fix it for good.


Well, if he's needed to have several surgeries, then he hasn't really been fine afterwards, in the long-term at least. Hopefully this latest procedure will be more effective, as you say.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:03

@alanbaldwinf1: You'd think Lotus might have delayed issuing their race preview on Friday if there was an imminent risk of surgery.
@alanbaldwinf1: "We should have a much longer race in Austin," said Kimi. "I'm particularly looking forward to this one..."

As for me, I hope Kimi's surgery goes well and he's back fighting fully fit for next season.

Taking into consideration where and how the news broke through (Turun Sanomat, Robertson and not a Lotus' press release), I suspect Lotus got the news today morning, like verybody else, reading the newspaper.

#59 Wander

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:05

Wow, I'm actually very, very surprised about this. Hopefully it's for the best in the end, but I think it's a big shame to have him end his Lotus career this way.



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#60 wj_gibson

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:07

Hulk isn't contracted to Sauber though - he could just move now, no? Maybe Lotus can lend Valsecchi to Sauber as well?

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:08

Taking into consideration where and how the news broke through (Turun Sanomat, Robertson and not a Lotus' press release), I suspect Lotus got the news today morning, like verybody else, reading the newspaper.

 

If that's the case, it gives Lotus roughly 4 days to arrange for a replacement driver, while preparing for transportation and logistics at the same time. Not very fair if he didn't tell them in advance, but then again the team hasn't been very fair towards him either. 

 

A very sad end. . They achieved quite impressive results together, and I'm sure not many people expected immediate podiums back in 2012. 



#62 midgrid

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:08

After reading this news, plus the investigations in the Quantum thread, and the continuing lack of a confirmation of either the deal between Lotus and Quantum, or Hülkenberg being signed, I'm increasingly concerned about the team's future, and even survival.

#63 P123

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:08

No doubt certain promises haven't been met, again, so you can't blame Kimi for turning his attention towards next season to ensure he is fully prepared for his new employers who will actually be paying him.



#64 steferrari

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:09

Valsecchi please !



#65 Cyanide

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:10

After reading this news, plus the investigations in the Quantum thread, and the continuing lack of a confirmation of either the deal between Lotus and Quantum, or Hülkenberg being signed, I'm increasingly concerned about the team's future, and even survival.

 

At this stage, we're merely talking about their survival. They're in a very difficult situation. 



#66 Nonesuch

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:11

Good choice. I suspect he would have finished the season if all was well between him and Lotus, but even if that broken relationship is the reason to have the surgery now, it's probably for the best. From what I've heard and read of his problem, it's best not to let it go unattended for too long.



#67 undersquare

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:12

It's too much of a coincidence to be entirely medical, surely.  Though I daresay the back problem and surgery are genuine.

 

Serves Genii right IMO.

 

And now how do Lotus convince Hulk or anyone else that they'll get paid?



#68 Sin

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:13

mhhhhh :D Hülkenberg to Lotus and Nick Heidfeld to Sauber (for those last 2 races) *dreams*



#69 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:14

Shame to hear such news. Get well soon Kimi!

 

Lotus will probably put Valsecchi in. They stated many times that Valsecchi has the speed to be in F1. It's not wise to put Hulkenberg in the car already, though the Lotus isn't as difficult to drive as the F60 was in 2009, a Fisichella scenario could still happen where he's miles off the pace compared to Grosjean.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:21

If that's the case, it gives Lotus roughly 4 days to arrange for a replacement driver, while preparing for transportation and logistics at the same time. Not very fair if he didn't tell them in advance, but then again the team hasn't been very fair towards him either.

A very sad end. . They achieved quite impressive results together, and I'm sure not many people expected immediate podiums back in 2012.

Well, I was exaggerating a little bit, maybe somebody in the team did know it -at least half an hour before Robertson phoned Turun Sanomat- but I agree with Baldwin and I find weird no press release has come out from Lotus yet.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:21

If that's the case, it gives Lotus roughly 4 days to arrange for a replacement driver, while preparing for transportation and logistics at the same time. Not very fair if he didn't tell them in advance, but then again the team hasn't been very fair towards him either. 

 

 

Probably they agreed on a deadline before Abu Dhabi and when Lotus missed it Robertson called Kulta. So yes, I would guess that Lotus read it from the paper but knew it might happen. Maybe they hoped on Kimi still driving as he has given them new chances in the past....



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:26

Alan Baldwin also had this to say, which has a few implications, depending on how straight a bat you choose to think Alan is playing with here:

@alanbaldwinf1: Was Kimi sitting comfortably for his seat fitting at Ferrari on Thursday, I wonder?

#73 F1ultimate

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:30

This is a tragic loss for both parties. Lotus can kiss good bye to second place in the constructors and 3rd in WDC. 

 

As for the replacement I would expect them to go for a test driver or anyone with money, who would like to buy two races. I doubt they will call back Nick Heidfeld. In the ideal world, I would like to see them give Kobayashi a shot but that is very unlikely. 



#74 Kelateboy

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:32

They should give Davide Valsecchi the chance to show what he can do in the next 2 GPs.



#75 Module

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:33

Oskari Saari tweeted that Lotus PR got the information from him!!!



#76 RedOne

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:37

"He'll be back"

#77 boldhakka

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:38

This also precludes Lotus from trying to "persuade" him to reconsider like they did in AD.

#78 Spillage

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:41

The timing naturally raises eyebrows, but given that we don't know the extent of the injury or the nature of the surgery we cannot say that Raikkonen's fallout with Lotus is not just coincidence; if it is true he is needing painkillers to sleep then I understand 100% his desire to correct the problem as soon as possible.

 

I wonder if this will prompt Lotus into rapidly signing Hulkenberg, if they can. Under normal circumstances I don't doubt they'd but Valsecchi in the car but with the fight for second in the WCC so intense they need all the points they can get.

 

Just another thought; could the back injury perhaps explain Raikkonen's comparably weak performances in the past several races? Certainly he's not been on the form he was on at the start of the year.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:43

Maybe Hulkenberg to Lotus and Sirotkin to drive Sauber (they can buy him super licence)



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:44

This also precludes Lotus from trying to "persuade" him to reconsider like they did in AD.

 

I think it's a matter of keeping your word...you can't make threats forewer without executing them at some point and obviously Kimi gave an ultimatum before Abu Dhabi, got promises that didn't stick and drew his conqlusions. I would suspect there is a lawsuit imminent.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:45

The article says it will take 4 weeks from the surgery to be allowed to move (?), anyone who has the experience being immobile from bone or joint related surgery knows how fast the muscles and flexibility will degenerate. That four weeks is the lay down time from the surgery, then the rehab begins, which depending from the surgery, will take weeks.
How big the surgery is, both in time and amount of repair, doesn't go hand in hand with how long you have to rehab.
Anyone who has had ACL surgery can tell you that.

No surgery here but some serious shoulder problems. Visited a doctor this week and he said it takes two weeks for muscles to start degenerating when something is broken. So, if he must lay down and stand by for 4 to 5 weeks > The only reasonable timing for seat fitting in Maranello and surgery is right about now. Good call...


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:48

Just another thought; could the back injury perhaps explain Raikkonen's comparably weak performances in the past several races? Certainly he's not been on the form he was on at the start of the year.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:48

Alan Baldwin also had this to say, which has a few implications, depending on how straight a bat you choose to think Alan is playing with here:

@alanbaldwinf1: Was Kimi sitting comfortably for his seat fitting at Ferrari on Thursday, I wonder?

Probably, Ferrari are the ones to get the most profit out of this mess. Because that takes a high-points-scorer away from one of their main competitors for the WCC and because the earlier Räikkönen gets the surgery -which seemed to have been planned, anyway-, the earlier he could be fit to drive a Ferrari.

 

If I were Ferrari, and if the last of Lotus' promises to Räikkönen weren't fulfilled (again), I would be telling him sweet things to convince him to do right what he's decided to do.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:50

Think it's gotta be Valsecchi to replace him, but I seriously doubt he's going to convince anyone to give him a race seat.

Hope Kimis op goes alright and sorts him out though.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:12

Let's hope his wallet is allright.



#86 F1ultimate

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:12

Think it's gotta be Valsecchi to replace him, but I seriously doubt he's going to convince anyone to give him a race seat.
 

 

The only way Valsecchi will convince Lotus is if he finishes in the top 5 in both races. This will be heavily dependant on how much time he's been spending in the simulator. He's got 6 years of experience in GP2 which is pretty good. However, from what I've read, F1 cars are quite different from those in GP2. Either way, I welcome him to be the dark horse next weekend. 



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:13

Think it's gotta be Valsecchi to replace him, but I seriously doubt he's going to convince anyone to give him a race seat.
 

Unfortunately this might be his only chance to do that



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:15

Let's hope his wallet is allright.

 

He got a full year's Ferrari salary 2010 despite not racing. Besides that, F1 drivers have a very demanding job and don't really get many opportunities to blow money on things like cocaine - so I'd imagine Kimi isn't exactly struggling financially.



#89 Fastcake

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:17

Well that was unexpected. I wonder who will take his place then?

#90 John Player

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:19

Is Nick Heidfeld available? :lol:



#91 Zesus

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:20

I'm really sad about this. :cry: Goodbye 2013 season. I hoped for better ending with Lotus.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:30

  ...you can't make threats forever without executing them at some point and obviously Kimi gave an ultimatum before Abu Dhabi, got promises that didn't stick and drew his conclusions. I would suspect there is a lawsuit imminent.

 

 

That is a very dark thought, Module. Obviously Kimi would not want to be around should bailiffs visit Lotus garage. But it is a lot of money and he has to extract this before other disillusioned creditors start processes. It's like a run on an insolvent bank, you have to be first in the queue.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:40

 

That is a very dark thought, Module. Obviously Kimi would not want to be around should bailiffs visit Lotus garage. But it is a lot of money and he has to extract this before other disillusioned creditors start processes. It's like a run on an insolvent bank, you have to be first in the queue.

 

 

True. Hopefully this isn't the Go for other creditor rumoured to have not been paid. I genuinely fear for Lotus future



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:43

The only way Valsecchi will convince Lotus is if he finishes in the top 5 in both races. This will be heavily dependant on how much time he's been spending in the simulator. He's got 6 years of experience in GP2 which is pretty good. However, from what I've read, F1 cars are quite different from those in GP2. Either way, I welcome him to be the dark horse next weekend.

Nääh,he will be atleast second slower than Grosjean,he has no chance.When was the last time he has driven that Lotus? Don't get me wrong,im happy if he gets the chance ,but without testing he will not impress no one.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:05

You have to feel for Boulier - he's been putting out fires the whole season and this is one more complication. Very little of it seems to be in his hands. 



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:10

Kimi jumping into a mini van and leaving the circuit right after his DNF was rather chilling. He didn't bother staying around and I'm sure he headed straight for the airport and is now unlikely to ever set another foot into Lotus HQ. All communication with the team is likely to now go through his manager and lawyer.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:10

Boullier says Räikkönen phoned yesterday night to tell  (according to Benson)

 

edit: Benson does not specify whom Räikkönen phoned


Edited by artista, 10 November 2013 - 13:11.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:11

The entire lotus position is very murky and questionable, which is worrying for f1 given the position of them as one of the top teams in performance. Merc must be huge favourites for the second position in the constructors now.

As for Kimi. Just have to hope he recovers well. Back problems are notorious for being difficult to sort out

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:18

Anyone else looking forward to the #bunnylovin tweet. 



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:20

The entire lotus position is very murky and questionable, which is worrying for f1 given the position of them as one of the top teams in performance. 

 

My guess is that they have overspent whilst chasing the title with the big boys - at the expense of paying Kimi which is probably the only member of staff who's salary they can delay without the person suffering financial consequences. It's a strategy but it's not right.