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Who will win the 2014 Le Mans 24 Hours overall?

  1. Audi Sport Team Joest (26 votes [49.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.06%

  2. Porsche Team (14 votes [26.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.42%

  3. Toyota Racing (13 votes [24.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.53%

  4. Rebellion Racing (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Lotus/Kodewa (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Non-LMP1 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Who will win the 2014 FIA WEC LMP1-H championship title?

  1. Audi Sport Team Joest (31 votes [58.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.49%

  2. Porsche Team (11 votes [20.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.75%

  3. Toyota Racing (11 votes [20.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.75%

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#1 SonnyViceR

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:50

LMGTE discussion here

http://forums.autosp...e-mans-co-2014/

 

So for 2014 we have the new all exciting Le Mans Prototype 1 regulations with the fresh coupe machinety and fuel flow limitations to look forward to (as well as the stupid separation into LMP1-H and LMP1-L) but what will be interesting is the car count. With ALMS now gone and LMP1 exiled from the other regional series FIA WEC is the only place to run these cars, and with budgets skyrocketing we surely cannot be expecting huge grids like just 5 years ago. However there is hope.

Aside from the three works teams, Audi & Porsche & Toyota, the following customer options have been circulating in the air:
Available/confirmed/proposed/rumoured customer chassis: ADESS, Dome, Perinn, Oreca (Rebellion), OnRoak (OAK), HPD, Kodewa Lotus + grandfathered 2013 models (such as the Lola B12/6)
Available/confirmed/proposed/rumoured customer engines: Zytek, AER, Judd, Audi, HPD, Toyota (Rebellion)

Some of those, like the Lotus LMP2 into P1 transformation probably won't happen and some are still on the initial design board, but what about the TEAMS for Le Mans 24 Hours?

(Factory in red, privateer in blue)

 

CONFIRMED
Audi Sport Team Joest
Audi Sport Team Joest

Audi Sport Team Joest
Porsche AG
Porsche AG
Toyota Racing
Toyota Racing

Rebellion Racing
Rebellion Racing

Lotus/Kodewa

 

edit - list edited to final form


Edited by SonnyViceR, 20 March 2014 - 15:11.


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#2 midgrid

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:58

(as well as the stupid separation into LMP1-H and LMP1-L)


I missed that! Looking at the wording of the regulations, it says that the light class is reserved for privateers - does that mean that the factory teams are forbidden to build non-hybrid cars, or is it just because they are all building hybrid cars anyway?

#3 SonnyViceR

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:00

I missed that! Looking at the wording of the regulations, it says that the light class is reserved for privateers - does that mean that the factory teams are forbidden to build non-hybrid cars, or is it just because they are all building hybrid cars anyway?

 

Hybrids are the only option for works cars, which IMO is a mistake. The allowance is

 

LMP1-H

Factories & Privateers

 

LMP1-L

Privateers

 

However there are no privateers entered for Hybrid (Rebellion opted for Light), thus making it works vs privateer separation once again...


Edited by SonnyViceR, 10 November 2013 - 11:02.


#4 DanardiF1

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:37

Potential chassis available for P1:

 

Perrinn http://perrinn.com/

 

Dome k-bigpic.png

 

http://www.mulsannes.../newsmay13.html



#5 SonnyViceR

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:25

Yes but as it has been stated many times, there appears to be a FAR larger amount of customer chassis & engine options available than there are actually private teams willing up to race them, which is sort of troubling. Rebellion even confirmed that some sources had expressed interest of buying their old Lola (which would have to undergo ACO's grandfather-performance-balancing-mishmash in order to make it legal), which further makes it more bizarre.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:28

Good to see Oak in P1 and with Rebellion getting second in Shanghai, my optimism for the privateers is getting slightly hyped.



#7 SonnyViceR

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:34

OAK however is set to miss Silverstone and make the debut for the new (sole) coupe at Spa, so they will running on the backfoot against their main privateer rivals at Le Mans.


Edited by SonnyViceR, 10 November 2013 - 13:35.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:38

Be that as it may, the more privateers the merrier. Will Toyota and Porsche have the second car for the rest of the season?



#9 DanardiF1

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:38

Yes but as it has been stated many times, there appears to be a FAR larger amount of customer chassis & engine options available than there are actually private teams willing up to race them, which is sort of troubling. Rebellion even confirmed that some sources had expressed interest of buying their old Lola (which would have to undergo ACO's grandfather-performance-balancing-mishmash in order to make it legal), which further makes it more bizarre.

 

I agree. I see LMP1 as purely for manufacturers and heavily-supported private teams, and these cars that are appearing over the internet seem destined for either nothing or P2. With the P2 regs not changing for a few years that will still heavily be biased towards the current Oreca-Nissan combination, so new chassis aren't going to be picked up there unless it's significantly better than what they've already got.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:43

Be that as it may, the more privateers the merrier. Will Toyota and Porsche have the second car for the rest of the season?

 

Yes. I think the real question is whether Porsche or (less likely) Toyota add third cars for LM.



#11 SonnyViceR

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 13:48

I agree. I see LMP1 as purely for manufacturers and heavily-supported private teams, and these cars that are appearing over the internet seem destined for either nothing or P2. With the P2 regs not changing for a few years that will still heavily be biased towards the current Oreca-Nissan combination, so new chassis aren't going to be picked up there unless it's significantly better than what they've already got.

 

Budgets seem to be the main reason for it, but I partly blame the ACO for banning the LMP1s from the regional series, the privateers have nowhere else to go apart from running behind the works cars in the world championship.

 

Regarding the P1-H / P1-L sítuation, I wrote this (seemingly angry) thingie on the RLM forum a while back

http://radiolemans.0...privateer-class



#12 SonnyViceR

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 19:10

Dagys is sort of putting a negative spin on OAK's 2014 campaign (couldn't really care less for their LMP2)

http://sportscar365....-plans-unclear/

 

But it's basically reporting the same as DSC; car will be late and (hopefully) debuting at Spa... but no engine yet and no hope of grandfathering the old open top for Silverstone.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 18:29

Rebellion even confirmed that some sources had expressed interest of buying their old Lola (which would have to undergo ACO's grandfather-performance-balancing-mishmash in order to make it legal), which further makes it more bizarre.

 

Well... Autosport:

-- Should Level 5 enter its own car, it is almost certain that it would be a 'grandfathered' car built to the existing rules rather than a 2014-spec P1.
"The only realistic options are the Lola [B12/60] and the current HPD [ARX-03c]," he said.--

 

Hmm. Also OAK is apparently looking at LMP1-H for 2015 (after L in 2014) which is interesting.



#14 SonnyViceR

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 17:37

Audi has now tested the new car at least twice, and Porsche has been circulating for some time now, leaving Toyota once again - for the third year in a row on - backfoot as they won't be hitting the tracks until next year for testing. Low budget + less testing + no third car = and you expect to beat the might of VW Group?????? No wonder you had to go begging BoP from ACO this year



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 17:54

Audi has now tested the new car at least twice, and Porsche has been circulating for some time now, leaving Toyota once again - for the third year in a row on - backfoot as they won't be hitting the tracks until next year for testing. Low budget + less testing + no third car = and you expect to beat the might of VW Group?????? No wonder you had to go begging BoP from ACO this year


A result of their F1 programme - they're wary of spending big money. The results therefore, are there for all to see.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 18:16

A result of their F1 programme - they're wary of spending big money. The results therefore, are there for all to see.

 

Big budget F1 project - mediocre results

Low budget P1 project - mediocre results

 

I suppose you could call that improvement :p

 

The fact that they were able to match Audi better in the final races this year & end of 2012 probably had more to do with Audi concentrating most of their effort for the following year (seeing as there's not that much to be gained anyway) while TMG was still months away from that. Also obviously Le Mans means 98% of the season and the remaining 2% is reserved for the championship. It probably also makes Audi to look better - as strange as it sounds - when Toyota is closer to them than miles away.

 

But with Porkie and new regs it's gonna be the toughest since 2011 for Audi next year.


Edited by SonnyViceR, 18 November 2013 - 18:18.


#17 SonnyViceR

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 16:27

Removed Strakka from potentials as they went with LMP2 again.

 

Probably dims down Dome's customer P1 options too



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 16:49

Removed Strakka from potentials as they went with LMP2 again.

 

Probably dims down Dome's customer P1 options too

At least they'll be on the grid, even if it's 'just' LMP2. Enables them to fight for more than just 'best of the rest' as well.



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 17:16

At least they'll be on the grid, even if it's 'just' LMP2. Enables them to fight for more than just 'best of the rest' as well.

 

In fact it makes LOADS of sense for Strakka as they were the only P1 team handicapped with gentleman driver.

 

Happy for Dome (even if it's just for P2) but looks as if HPD's P1s are dead in the water for next year,unless Level 5 picks up the grandfathered chassis of this year or Pickett takes 360 degree turn



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#20 DanardiF1

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 17:33

It seems that HPD's P1 program was waiting on Strakka, so to see them take the Dome to P2 means that project has been likely mothballed.

 

I don't see Level 5 picking it up, they're in the same position as Strakka in having their gentleman driver/owner in the car so P1 doesn't make sense for them.

 

I'm happy to see the Dome in P2, it's a better place for a constructor of their size to make a mark then fruitlessly toiling against the might of Audi/Toyota/Porsche/Oreca.

 

I don't see many other private P1 entrants at the moment, because other than the manufacturers there aren't enough companies like Oreca and OAK who are able to build advanced cars that are for sale. Dallara are probably the only company around capable of this, but they don't seem interested in bespoke projects having had their fingers burned by HRT in F1.



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 17:33

Removed Strakka from potentials as they went with LMP2 again.

 

Probably dims down Dome's customer P1 options too

 

For P1 the Dome would need a top team and big engine partner to make sense.



#22 SonnyViceR

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 18:01

There are zillions of customer engines available, incl Audi. Also Domes have (allegedly) been always built and/or designed before actually signing up with the customers who'd be willing to race with them

 

New generation HPD P1 won't be ready for some time now which is probably the main reason why people don't want to commit for them yet.

 

For Level 5 yeah it doesn't make much sense to go P1, especially with grandfathered Lola or HPD, but it's not like Chief 'shouldn't I be in jail already' Tucker has any other major championship to go to now that USCC's Prototype class is not pro-am based as ALMS LMP2 used to be. Also the DP-P2-DW BoP war doesn't look particularly inviting. They've committted cars for PC but you know, that's just PC.

 

If ELMS re-allowed P1s you could see some potential re-growth on privateer category, as unfortunately the only place to run them now is behind the factory teams in the world series. No-one cares about the sub championship trophy so there's not much for them to get hyped about, other than perhaps lucking out an overall podiun if factories hit trouble (which they in this and age rarely do). I wouldn't give rat's ass if re-allowing P1s for ELMS meant lower entry for P2s, those cost capped pro-am Oreca Nissan clones don't particularly interest me. Privateer P1s are million times more thrillling


Edited by SonnyViceR, 27 November 2013 - 18:11.


#23 muramasa

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 19:26

Generally happy about Dome-Strakka partnership, hope they achieve success.

 

 

btw I always love their press release

http://www.dome.co.j...ews/dt_128.html

( the english version is basically a direct translation from japanese one)

usually corporate releases tend to be very dull and ambiguous with all those pathetic and superfluous phrases (probably even more so for the ones in Japanese), but Dome on the other hand, they write in very concise and straightforward manner, yet not blunt at all. It's an engineers' language, fine and clear with no frills. it's refreshing to see, i love it and it expresses their culture and approach well imo.



#24 George Costanza

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 00:18

Porsche vs Audi.... That should be a ton of fun to watch.

 

I think Porsche gets their 17th win with Mark Webber.



#25 SonnyViceR

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 09:38

http://translate.goo...=272818#p272818

 

 

Unofficially, it seems that Toyota has booked 3 stands for 24 hours 2014.

 

OH GOD LET THAT BE TRUE, 3 cars would be infinitely wiser than again just two entries late in development. TMG, three cars AND budget that matches your rivals even in some sense is a must if you want to conquer the masters of sportscar racing.

 

Also, Porsche has confirmed parallel factory GTE programme to be continuing alongside their factory P1 effort, making their commitment very serious. So that's two factory LMP1s for WEC (probably three for Le Mans), two factory GTEs for WEC, two factory GTEs for USCC + the semi works car of Falken -plus all of their cars that are assisted heavily by Porkie. Massive increase in pure factory sense

 

Furthermore, there is a chance for Perrinn to run their new proposed car in-house - probably Le Mans only - if they don't find customers, as it seems.


Edited by SonnyViceR, 30 November 2013 - 09:44.


#26 TomNokoe

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 10:18

I chose a good year for my first Le Mans!

#27 dau

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 18:31

Not LMP1, but does anyone know what happened to those LMP2 Ferraris that Russian team planned to enter? Is that still alive and on track or did they disappear completely after that one press release?



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 18:52

Not LMP1, but does anyone know what happened to those LMP2 Ferraris that Russian team planned to enter? Is that still alive and on track or did they disappear completely after that one press release?

 

SMP Racing is still slated to enter LMP2 in the WEC next year, but whether anyone can get Michelotto to hijack a few GTE engines for LMP2 use is anyone's guess. Pecom and Level 5 have attempted it, both failed to acquire any engines from Michelotto and therefore switched to other engines.



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 20:45

As long as Audi, Toyota, and Porsche have LMP1 so locked up, I don't blame any non-manufacturers from avoiding the class.  I think we'll see great racing between those 3 as Audi whups their butts. :D

 

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 16:28

Old list of mine: all LMP1 participants from the past six seasons. Can you spot the trend?

 

2014 in WEC, Le Mans

NA

 

2013 in ALMS, WEC, Le Mans
Audi R18 E-Tron Quattro // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R18 E-Tron Quattro // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R18 E-Tron Quattro // Audi Sport (F)
HPD ARX-03a-Honda // Cytosport Muscle Milk Pickett Racing
HPD ARX-03a-Honda // Strakka Racing
Lola B12/60 Mazda // Dyson Racing
Lola B12/60-Toyota // Rebellion Racing
Lola B12/60-Toyota // Rebellion Racing
Toyota TS030 Hybrid // Toyota Racing (F)
Toyota TS030 Hybrid // Toyota Racing (F)

 

2012 in ALMS, WEC, Le Mans
Audi R18 TDI --> Audi R18 E-Tron Quattro // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R18 TDI --> Audi R18 E-Tron Quattro // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R18 TDI --> R18 Ultra // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R18 Ultra // Audi Sport (F)
Dome S102.5-Judd // Pescarolo Sport
HPD ARX-03a-Honda // Cytosport Muscle Milk Pickett Racing
HPD ARX-03a-Honda // JRM Racing
HPD ARX-03a-Honda // Strakka Racing
Lola B11/66 Mazda // Dyson Racing
Lola B12/60 Mazda // Dyson Racing
Lola B12/60-Toyota // Rebellion Racing
Lola B12/60-Toyota // Rebellion Racing
OAK Pescarolo 01-Judd --> OAK Pescarolo 01-Honda // OAK Racing
Pescarolo 01-Judd --> Pescarolo 03-Judd // Pescarolo Sport
Toyota TS030 Hybrid // Toyota Racing (F)
Toyota TS030 Hybrid // Toyota Racing (F)

 

2011 in ALMS, LMS, ILMC, Le Mans
Aston Martin AMR-One --> Lola B08/62 Aston Martin // Aston Martin Racing (F)
Aston Martin AMR-One // Aston Martin Racing (F)
Audi R15+ TDI --> Audi R18 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R15+ TDI --> Audi R18 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R18 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Courage-Oreca LC70 YGK Hybrid // Tokai University YGK Power
HPD ARX-01e-Honda // Highcroft Racing
Lola B06/10 AER // Autocon Motorsports
Lola B08/62 Aston Martin // Cytosport Muscle Milk Pickett Racing
Lola B09/60 Aston Martin // Kronos Racing
Lola B09/86 Mazda // Dyson Racing
Lola B09/86 Mazda // Dyson Racing Oryx
Lola B10/60-Toyota // Rebellion Racing
Lola B10/60-Toyota // Rebellion Racing
OAK Pescarolo 01-Judd // OAK Racing
OAK Pescarolo 01-Judd // OAK Racing
Oreca Swiss HY Tech-Hybrid // Hope Racing
Pescarolo 01 Judd // Pescarolo Sport
Peugeot 908 // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Team Oreca Matmut
Zytek 09SC // Quifel-ASM Team
Zytek 09SC Hybrid // Mik Corse

 

2010 in ALMS, LMS, ILMC, ASLMS, Le Mans
Audi R10 TDI // Kolles
Audi R10 TDI // Kolles
Audi R15+ TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R15+ TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R15+ TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Courage-Oreca LC70 YGK Hybrid // Tokai University YGK Power
Ginetta-Zytek GZ09S // Beechdean Mansell
Ginetta-Zytek GZ09S // Team LNT
Lola B06/10 AER // Autocon Motorsports
Lola B06/10 AER // Intersport
Lola B09/60 Aston Martin // Aston Martin Racing (F)
Lola B09/60 Aston Martin // Aston Martin Racing (F)
Lola B09/60 Aston Martin // Signature Plus
Lola B09/60 Judd // Drayson Racing
Lola B10/60-Rebellion // Rebellion Racing
Lola B10/60-Rebellion // Rebellion Racing
Oreca 01-AIM // AIM Team Oreca Matmut
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Team Oreca Matmut

 

2009 in ALMS, LMS, Le Mans
Audi R10 TDI // Kolles
Audi R10 TDI // Kolles
Audi R15 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R15 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R15 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Acura ARX-02a // De Ferran Motorsports
Acura ARX-02a // Highcroft Racing
Courage-Oreca LC70E-Judd // Signature Plus
Creation CA07 // Creation Autosportif
Ginetta-Zytek GZ09S // Corsa Motorsports
Ginetta-Zytek GZ09S // Team LNT
Ginetta-Zytek GZ09S // Strakka Racing
Lavaggi LS1 AER // Scuderia Lavaggi
Lola B06/10 AER // Autocon Motorsports
Lola B06/10 AER // Intersport
Lola B08/60 Aston Martin // Speedy Racing Team Sabah
Lola B09/60 Aston Martin // Aston Martin Racing (F)
Lola B09/60 Aston Martin // Aston Martin Racing (F)
Lola B09/60 Aston Martin // Aston Martin Racing (F)
Lola B09/60 Judd // Drayson Racing
Oreca 01-AIM // AIM Team Oreca Matmut
Oreca 01-AIM // AIM Team Oreca Matmut
Pescarolo 01 Judd // Pescarolo Sport
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Pescarolo Sport
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)

 

2008 in ALMS, LMS, Le Mans
Audi R10 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R10 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Audi R10 TDI // Audi Sport (F)
Courage-Oreca LC70E-Judd // Team Oreca Matmut
Courage-Oreca LC70E-Judd // Team Oreca Matmut
Courage-Oreca LC70E-Judd // Terramos
Courage-Oreca LC70-YGK // Tokai University YGK Power
Creation CA07 --> Lola B06/10 AER // Autocon Motorsports
Creation CA07 // Creation AIM/Autosportif
Creation CA07 // Creation AIM/Autosportif
Dome S102 // Dome Racing Team
Epsidon Euskadi EE1 Judd // Epsidon Euskadi
Epsidon Euskadi EE1 Judd // Epsidon Euskadi
Ginetta-Zytek GZ09S // Team LNT
Lavaggi LS1 AER // Scuderia Lavaggi
Lola B06/10 AER // Chamberlain-Synergy Motorsport
Lola B06/10 AER --> Lola B07/17 // Intersport
Lola B06/10 AER // Intersport
Lola B07/17 Judd // Charouz Racing System
Lola B08/60 Aston Martin // Charouz Racing System
Pescarolo 01 Judd // Pescarolo Sport
Pescarolo 01 Judd // Pescarolo Sport
Pescarolo 01 Judd // Rollcentre Racing
Pescarolo 01 Judd // Saulnier Racing
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP // Peugeot Sport (F)
Radical SR10 ECO // ECO Racing
Zytek 07S // Corsa Motorsports



#31 SonnyViceR

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 10:20

New OAK, apparently in conjuction with Ligier

http://www.endurance...3-lmp2-et-lmp1/

http://translate.goo...t-lmp1/&act=url


Edited by SonnyViceR, 06 December 2013 - 10:21.


#32 FerrariV12

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 14:17

Nice to see the Ligier name returning to top-level motorsport, looks like it's more than just a badge-job as well with Guy himself involved.

 

As an aside (as it was mentioned in the story) I'm really looking forward to seeing how LMP3 goes, I know they plan on a spec engine/tyre but it should at least be a step forward from LMPC/FLM which has a spec car too.



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 14:34

Yeah LMP3 seems like a good formula, but then again pretty much anything's more exciting than medieval LMPC. Too bad they won't ever compete besides P1

 

Meanwhile:

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111764

So while I wish ACO had banned the diesel altogether, at least they'll be doing something sort of right: ACO will have the diesel - petrol BoP decided before the first round of the 2014 championship. The data will be provided by the teams and incorrect information will get the teams penalised. The second round of BoP will come (if needed) AFTER Le Mans when the most important part of the season has already finished, and that will be in force for another twelve months, including the 2015 LM.

 

So no repeat of 2012 for example, when Toyota got bigger fuel restrictor and bigger fuel tank by continuously moaning about BoP before Le Mans.

 

However the privateer LMP1-L class can be performance balanced whenever, as do the P2 and GTE categories...



#34 ArnageWRC

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 17:14

Regarding petrol v diesel, I've always though that the petrol cars should be faster! But only marginally. The diesels make up their time due to less fuel stops - but I'm in a minority.

As for the LMP3 class- I really want to see a lightweight 'Voiturette' class - with the 1.6T engine used in WRC/ WTCC.

#35 JHSingo

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 19:27

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111764

So while I wish ACO had banned the diesel altogether

 

 

Why on earth would you wish for that? Guarantee that if sports cars hadn't acted as an area where Audi could develop their diesel technology, they would have long since departed, most likely in the direction on Formula One. Be careful what you "wish" for...



#36 SonnyViceR

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 19:40

Why on earth would you wish for that? Guarantee that if sports cars hadn't acted as an area where Audi could develop their diesel technology, they would have long since departed, most likely in the direction on Formula One. Be careful what you "wish" for...

 

I wish that because I am tired of the diesel petrol balancing junk.

 

I've said this probably hundred of times already but Audi has already proved their point with diesel long ago. We get it, diesel isn't for old ladies only, it its like, totally cool. Kudos for the ACO for allowing them to chace their marketing goals and for giving diversity to fuel side as well, but there is no real need for Audi to continue with diesel. With Peugeot gone they are the last running diesel team. They had petrol before, just switch back to that.



#37 Victor_RO

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 20:12

I wish that because I am tired of the diesel petrol balancing junk.

 

I've said this probably hundred of times already but Audi has already proved their point with diesel long ago. We get it, diesel isn't for old ladies only, it its like, totally cool. Kudos for the ACO for allowing them to chace their marketing goals and for giving diversity to fuel side as well, but there is no real need for Audi to continue with diesel. With Peugeot gone they are the last running diesel team. They had petrol before, just switch back to that.

 

It's far easier to balance diesel and petrol on fuel flow if the fuel is controlled and the energy content is equivalent.



#38 JHSingo

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 23:33

I wish that because I am tired of the diesel petrol balancing junk.

 

I've said this probably hundred of times already but Audi has already proved their point with diesel long ago. We get it, diesel isn't for old ladies only, it its like, totally cool. Kudos for the ACO for allowing them to chace their marketing goals and for giving diversity to fuel side as well, but there is no real need for Audi to continue with diesel. With Peugeot gone they are the last running diesel team. They had petrol before, just switch back to that.

 

No real need to continue with diesel? Given they've won the race numerous times with petrol anyway, you could make the same point. I don't see why they need to switch back to petrol at all.

 

Besides, I like the variety of different fuels. I'm sure I recall you, only a few days ago, making a post about the things sports car racing has in its favour that makes it superior to F1. Surely that should include the variety in different fuels, instead of the "spec" option Formula One has - eg petrol only.

 

At the start, I wasn't the keen on diesel cars because of how little noise they make. But the whooshing noise the Audi makes has grown on me. It's really cool.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:48

At the start, I wasn't the keen on diesel cars because of how little noise they make. But the whooshing noise the Audi makes has grown on me. It's really cool.

 

Agreed. Watching an Audi R18 accelerating on its own out of Arnage in the middle of the night is one of the spookiest (and most impressive) experiences in motorsport.



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#40 Richard T

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:40

New Audi P1.

Looking neat!

 

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#41 dau

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:43

Yup, it's an Audi. I thought they wanted to wait for Monday?



#42 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:59

At least ugly noses won't be exclusive to F1 then.



#43 SonnyViceR

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:21

I wish Audi would name the cars as they used to (R8, R10, R15, R15+, R15++ etc), now they're just calling every prototype generic R18 and the marketing title follows it.



#44 dau

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:32

I wish Audi would name the cars as they used to (R8, R10, R15, R15+, R15++ etc), now they're just calling every prototype generic R18 and the marketing title follows it.

It works for Apple. The NEW R18. It changes everything. Can't wait for the R18 Air.



#45 SonnyViceR

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:37

It works for Apple. The NEW R18. It changes everything. Can't wait for the R18 Air.

 

Hmm yes :)

 

2011 - Audi R18 TDI

2012 - Audi R18 e-tron quattro & Audi R18 Ultra

2013 - Audi R18 e-tron quattro

2014 - Audi R18 e-tron quattro

 

... yes so very easy to distinguish which is what



#46 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:47

Aren't they just naming based on 'family' of car? Whether that's rules or design? The R18 2014 looks like it's related to previous R18s(going by a very limiting photo) where R15, R10, and R8 could easily be picked out of a lineup.



#47 SonnyViceR

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:52

Aren't they just naming based on 'family' of car? Whether that's rules or design? The R18 2014 looks like it's related to previous R18s(going by a very limiting photo) where R15, R10, and R8 could easily be picked out of a lineup.

 

No, Audi has stated that they will be calling every single P1 coupe in the future R18, no matter what the design

 

I don't get it, it was infinitely clearer when it was just next number for the new racing model in Audi's catalogue.


Edited by SonnyViceR, 08 December 2013 - 12:53.


#48 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 13:01

Yeah that doesn't make any sense. 



#49 dau

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 13:59

Too bad there's no side profile pic yet. Could be perspective, but the cockpit looks like it's further back on the R18 than it was on the R18.


Edited by dau, 08 December 2013 - 14:00.


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 14:43

Yeah that doesn't make any sense. 

 

It could if they're planning to pull out of Le Mans in the very near future and that there won't be any major new designs from them...