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Who will win the 2014 Le Mans 24 Hours overall?

  1. Audi Sport Team Joest (26 votes [49.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.06%

  2. Porsche Team (14 votes [26.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.42%

  3. Toyota Racing (13 votes [24.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.53%

  4. Rebellion Racing (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Lotus/Kodewa (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Non-LMP1 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Who will win the 2014 FIA WEC LMP1-H championship title?

  1. Audi Sport Team Joest (31 votes [58.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.49%

  2. Porsche Team (11 votes [20.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.75%

  3. Toyota Racing (11 votes [20.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.75%

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#101 Victor_RO

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:06

Can't say i liked the sound (short shifting?), but what i do like is that all three manufacturers have different engine concepts. 

 

Yeah. Audi are staying with their diesel V6, Porsche have the 4-cyl turbo approach (whether it's inline of V- we don't know yet :lol: ), Toyota are enlarging their current V8 to get better drivability.



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#102 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:27

The Porkie engine sounds much smoother on this HTTT testing bit

 

Well, at least the whistle does.



#103 P0inters

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 20:15

So , what's the likelyhood Toyota will enter a 3rd car ? Any guesses ? I'd say 25-40% chance.



#104 DanardiF1

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 20:32

So , what's the likelyhood Toyota will enter a 3rd car ? Any guesses ? I'd say 25-40% chance.

 

I honestly don't think their budget allows for it. Toyota are running this operation as lean as they can, purely because of the financial disaster that was the F1 effort. They are happy running two cars with their current budget and I don't think that'll change. The fact they cut down to one car for some of last season to focus resources on the new car says to me they're serious but don't want to get the bosses in Japan too angry about money...



#105 Peat

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 09:16

Yep, I don't think we'll see a 3rd. They are on a shoe-string compared to Audi.

 

I also see that Toyota are developing a WRC car again, so that will soak up any spare cash knocking around at TMG.



#106 SonnyViceR

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 14:55

There were mentions on French sites about third Toyota, but it is unlikely yes. As sad as it is



#107 DanardiF1

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 15:12

I don't think it's sad, I think Toyota have a decent outfit and on their budget are doing a fantastic job. The bosses in Japan are absolutely right in restricting the team's budget to just what they need to run a top 2-car team because they had their fingers burned so consistently by the F1 effort.

 

The true test of their mettle and whether they are ultimately happy in sporting terms with their financial position is when they are joined by Porsche on the grid. Currently they can 'get away' with a poor performance and still get a 3rd place, but with Porsche coming that will end.



#108 SonnyViceR

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 15:16

Their efforts are indeed decent considering the budget, but three bullets in the gun is always better than two... and next season they won't be getting BoP help as they did this year prior Le Mans



#109 P0inters

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 17:46

I think if they win next year the bosses in Japan might increase the budget. That is if they aren't planning on pulling out and moving to WRC completely.



#110 DanardiF1

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 21:34

I think if they win next year the bosses in Japan might increase the budget. That is if they aren't planning on pulling out and moving to WRC completely.

 

I think they're suitably happy with the hybrid technology the WEC allows them to work with to stay in sportscars... the WRC plan is more about making sure their Yaris is visible alongside Hyundai and VW, their immediate competitors.



#111 Victor_RO

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:08

One thing we know for sure about Audi's big official reveal tomorrow... there will be a new driver announced.Allan McNish has just announced his retirement after winning both the WEC and Le Mans this year. http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111886



#112 dau

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:20

Woah, what? McNish retiring? Now that comes unexpected, for me at least.



#113 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:28

Much more unexpected than with Capello, but a brave decision and I can sort of see the reasonings behind. Good luck for him in the future

 

So only Kristensen left of the ol' Audi gang. Hopefully they'll get some big profile replacement



#114 rjsports

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:42

Very brave decision, wish him all the best with his future.

 

Who is most likely to step up? Gene, Di Grassi or Jarivs? Or will they recruit a new driver for the 'second' Audi.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:46

Very brave decision, wish him all the best with his future.

 

Who is most likely to step up? Gene, Di Grassi or Jarivs? Or will they recruit a new driver for the 'second' Audi.

 

There was a rumour of Nico Muller from FR3.5 having had a test run in the R18 earlier this year.



#116 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 16:07

There was a rumour of Nico Muller from FR3.5 having had a test run in the R18 earlier this year.

 

How boring that would be.



#117 DanardiF1

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 17:58

Paul Di Resta anyone? Nowhere near as charismatic as his countryman Allan, but a proven driver who is in need of a paying drive...



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 19:02

Maybe, but his predilection for open criticism of a team may well count against him.   Certainly he's a possibility I would think, but it depends on how he's viewed by the Audi big wigs, and as always in this game what contacts he has.

 

Neil



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 19:19

Paul Di Resta anyone? Nowhere near as charismatic as his countryman Allan, but a proven driver who is in need of a paying drive...

 

But just as mr Kobayashi (who publically called GT racing sooooooo slow compared to F1 at the beginning of the year), his motivation for the seat might not really be there 100% if he's still aiming for F1 comeback, for some reason... you don't really wanna sign  somebody as factory driver if he only takes it as a passing temporary gig

 

Grosjean did fine job for Matech's Ford GT1 in 2010... before he got bored and switched to spec single seaters in his hunt for GP return


Edited by SonnyViceR, 17 December 2013 - 19:31.


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#120 dau

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 19:32

How boring that would be.

He's not bad, in fact he had some pretty good races in FR3.5. He just lacks consistence, but at 21, he's young enough to learn.



#121 SonnyViceR

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 22:19

Third Audi for Le Mans has been officially confirmed now, but that was always going to happen.



#122 DanardiF1

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 23:56

It's whether we hear of a 3rd Porsche or Toyota that'll be interesting... I doubt there'll be a 3rd Toyota, but a 3rd Porsche if they can get the right drivers for it may be interesting... because we're then looking at a minimum of 10 P1 cars at Le Man, 8 of those being manufacturer entries and thus considered serious contenders.



#123 SonnyViceR

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 08:56

It's already ten car minimum for LM next year with 3x Audi, 2x Porsche, 2x Toyota, 2x Rebellion and 1x Oak, the rest (if any) will be improvement from there. While ten cars is an improvement over pitiful EIGHT of last year, especially considering we have brand new regulations, it's still a shadow of few years ago when there were 20+ LMP1s at the Sarthe.

 

Since Audi's diesel debut, having minimum of seven full works cars is still lower than 9 cars we had in 2009 and 8 in 2010 and 2011. Now you can question whether or not the AMR was really that serious effort but it was a factory programme after all.

 

Hopefully you'll get third car for at least Porsche



#124 SonnyViceR

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:35

ACO has confirmed that the entries for LM (and full season WEC) will be announced on Feb 13th.



#125 DanardiF1

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:42

ACO has confirmed that the entries for LM (and full season WEC) will be announced on Feb 13th.

 

Makes sense, gives the private teams more time to shore up their drivers and number of cars. That's still two months before the first race at Silverstone (on my birthday :)... although, that's just reminded me I'll be hitting my quarter life crisis).

 

I know it's not P1-related, but will the Muscle Milk guys finally take up their invitation to Le Mans now they've confirmed they're running the Oreca-Nissan in USCC?


Edited by DanardiF1, 21 December 2013 - 08:42.


#126 SonnyViceR

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 09:03

Makes sense, gives the private teams more time to shore up their drivers and number of cars. That's still two months before the first race at Silverstone (on my birthday :)... although, that's just reminded me I'll be hitting my quarter life crisis).

 

I know it's not P1-related, but will the Muscle Milk guys finally take up their invitation to Le Mans now they've confirmed they're running the Oreca-Nissan in USCC?

 

Maybe, since ALMS's at-large invitations were allegedly based on the interests of teams wanting to run at LM. But having Pickett in LMP2 isn't really that exciting, although it would be nice to see them at last...

 

ACO always announces their entries in February, I merely said that everybody has that day marked in their calendars. Press conference should be live streamed as per usual. As funny as it sounds, it is the biggest motorsport happening all winter for me.



#127 DanardiF1

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 09:12

Maybe, since ALMS's at-large invitations were allegedly based on the interests of teams wanting to run at LM. But having Pickett in LMP2 isn't really that exciting, although it would be nice to see them at last...

 

ACO always announces their entries in February, I merely said that everybody has that day marked in their calendars. Press conference should be live streamed as per usual. As funny as it sounds, it is the biggest motorsport happening all winter for me.

 

Some of us still watch what I think lots of sportscar aficionados think of as the 'Dark Side', so my winter will be taken up poring over pics of the latest testing updates.



#128 SonnyViceR

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:20

Someone anonymous over at sportscar365.com commented that there are still three unnanounced P1 programs for next year, but that was probably as reliable information as the dude on French forum who mentioned that Toyota has reserved three entry spots for LM. But who knows...



#129 Dan333SP

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 14:42

Slightly off topic, but this may interest you LMP afficionados. I still remember the disappointment of Porsche pulling the plug on the LMP1 they were developing to replace the 911 GT1-98 (although the engine lived on in the Carrera GT). For whatever reason, they still don't officially admit that the car ever existed, but someone finally managed to leak the clearest images of that car, it looks heavily influenced by BMW's LMR and has something of the Audi R8R in its treatment of the tail and rear wing. Would have looked nice in Mobil 1 colors, and would have sounded epic.

 

PorscheLMP2000-4.jpg

 

More at Mike's site-

 

http://www.mulsannes.../newsnov13.html



#130 JHSingo

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 17:40

:love:  And instead of racing that, they produced one of the ugliest road cars ever, the Cayenne. Oh Porsche, why? :|



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Posted 25 December 2013 - 19:16

:love:  And instead of racing that, they produced one of the ugliest road cars ever, the Cayenne. Oh Porsche, why? :|

 

They have to build awful Cayenne and Panamera in order to sustain the brand as 911 (still their main focus) wouldn't be enough.



#132 Victor_RO

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 19:17

At least the engine found a home in the glorious Carrera GT. :)



#133 Dan333SP

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 21:55

And we know what the car would have sounded like (minus about 3,000 RPM or so) thanks to the straight pipe kits for CGTs-

 



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Posted 26 December 2013 - 13:22

Slightly off topic, but this may interest you LMP afficionados. I still remember the disappointment of Porsche pulling the plug on the LMP1 they were developing to replace the 911 GT1-98 (although the engine lived on in the Carrera GT). For whatever reason, they still don't officially admit that the car ever existed, but someone finally managed to leak the clearest images of that car, it looks heavily influenced by BMW's LMR and has something of the Audi R8R in its treatment of the tail and rear wing. Would have looked nice in Mobil 1 colors, and would have sounded epic.

 

PorscheLMP2000-4.jpg

 

More at Mike's site-

 

http://www.mulsannes.../newsnov13.html

 

This is the car that changed it all.  If this had been raced at LeMans, would Audi have seen any of the early 2000s domination.  I doubt it. 



#135 SonnyViceR

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 17:41

Another gloomy-ish view of the 2014 projections

http://sportscar365....on-update-lmp1/

 

Nothing really new and John still insisting that the OAK is not a 100% sure deal but worth reading

 

LMP1-L should be rather pointless...



#136 BRG

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 19:43

This is the car that changed it all.  If this had been raced at LeMans, would Audi have seen any of the early 2000s domination.  I doubt it. 

Hmmm.   If it was that good (or indeed any good at all), I doubt if Porsche would have canned it so abruptly and totally.  It must have been a real dog.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 09:34

Hmmm.   If it was that good (or indeed any good at all), I doubt if Porsche would have canned it so abruptly and totally.  It must have been a real dog.

 

I recall Allan McNish hinting sometime, somewhere that it seemed exceptionally good in testing.



#138 d246

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 10:14

Wasn't it in his Motorsport podcast? Or last month's magazine where he was guest editor?

#139 proviz

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 16:41

Wasn't it in his Motorsport podcast? Or last month's magazine where he was guest editor?

 

He may have said it in either, but my recollection is from several years back. I still cannot remember when or where.



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#140 BRG

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 21:09

Wasn't it in his Motorsport podcast? Or last month's magazine where he was guest editor?

As he didn't even hint at his retirement when guest editing, is his credibility now a bit strained?



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 11:25

As he didn't even hint at his retirement when guest editing, is his credibility now a bit strained?


No - retirement involves private discussions with immediate team and family before a public announcement. I am sure his input to both podcast and editor of Motorsport magazine was not compromised. He's a pretty candid and respected individual.

#142 AlexS

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 18:45

Photo of a test with a Ferrari prototype for an eventual Le Mans participation.

 

http://autosprint.co...-le-mans/12386/


Edited by AlexS, 03 January 2014 - 18:45.


#143 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 18:49

Isn't that the car that was running the new F1 engine?



#144 SonnyViceR

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 19:02

That's the same LaFerrari-458-mishmash-prototype-GT car that's been circulating Fiorano for ages and ages now. "First picture", yeah right.

 

Might mean something but probably not


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#145 Richard T

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 14:55

I know mateys it's just fan made but man this looks AWESOME!

 

Heck, I think Porky should employ this Andy Werner guy..

 

http://www.andwernde...rsche-wec-2014/

 

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#146 S3baman

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 20:19

Looking at the latest tech from Ferrari, Le Mans might be something worth investing in. However, with the new turbo engines being their top priority, Ferrari will try to get every advantage possible. And that includes building a Le Mans-esque mule just to run lap after lap for reliability purposes. Once the engine testing is done, and they fill that they have the budget for both F1 and LM, then will see a serious effort from their part.



#147 TF110

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 09:56

Pascal Vasselon and a couple Toyota drivers confirmed the new Toyota will be called the "TS040". Theyll be staying with the supercapacitor and upping the hybrid power plus 4wd. My guess is theyll go for the "8MJ" option increasing their output by over 200% on a lap at Le Mans. A few well known journalists have said around 1100hp on full power including the hybrid!

Edited by TF110, 06 January 2014 - 09:57.


#148 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 10:09

1100hp! Wow!



#149 Option1

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 15:26

A number designed to impress...   ;)

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#150 SonnyViceR

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 17:59

I believe when I see it, but that does sound rather damn exciting. Of course when the manufacturers themselves talk about these thinga, they usually say a number that's a few hundred horsepower down from the actual figures.