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[pacificquay]

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111249

 

I know there are other threads discussing side issues, but this is worth its own discussion now that Autosport has stood the story up as true.

 

As a long term McLaren fan, I've loved watching the likes of Senna, Hakkinen, Raikkonen in the cars over the years - and I get that same feeling about this.

 

Seems like a very good fit - and I applaud the team for being bold with their driver choice.

[Anonymous]

 

Very exciting! 

[Ross Stonefeld]

Better than Perez 'for sure' but I don't know if there's anything Second Coming about the guy. Yet. 

[Tommay]

Wasn't expecting this...

[tomisumi]

Strange that reliable site Autosport confirmed it but team not...

[as65p]

I must admit I don't know much about Magnussen.

 

What this does, however, is making the signing of Perez a big mistake, whatever words they may use in weeks to come trying to sugarcoat it.

[Wiggy]

Perez - The new Kovalainen

[lustigson]

Autosport doesn't actually confirm it. "Sources have confirmed to AUTOSPORT that the team has decided to promote the Formula Renault 3.5 champion, although a contract has not yet been signed", the article says.

 

I would be surprised, though, if this is indeed true. And I wonder where this leaves Pérez after a disappointing season that's very much to blame on McLaren's form.

[P123]

I must admit I don't know much about Magnussen.

 

What this does, however, is making the signing of Perez a big mistake, whatever words they may use in weeks to come trying to sugarcoat it.

 

"In hindsight...." etc, etc

[Trust]

Perez just not good enough. Lets see what this kid can do! Looking forward to next year.

[pacificquay]

Strange that reliable site Autosport confirmed it but team not...

 

That's good journalism.

 

Telling people things officialdom don't want you to know yet = news.

 

Telling people things once officialdom do want you to know = PR

[Garagiste]

Interesting - Ron wasn't at all enamoured with his old man, so does Kevin pack a neater suitcase than Jan or is it a sign that Ron doesn't pull the big strings any more?

[wj_gibson]

I get a sense that we're going through one of those periodic generational shifts in F1, like 1974 or 1982. Or 1991.

Edited by wj_gibson, 11 November 2013 - 19:25.

[d246]

All I know is that his old man was one of the biggest disappointments I have ever witnessed in a McLaren car. And in F1 in general, I think.

[Cyanide]

Interesting and long overdue driver movements in the market. It's been a long time since so many drivers were announced to switch teams, mainly from the top bunch. 2014 is already better!

[wj_gibson]

Magnussen Sr only had one race for McLaren so how he fan be regarded as a massive disappointment there is beyond me. Didn't Stewart always have an option on him?

[Diablobb81]

Good. They still should have taken Hulk last year.

Edited by Diablobb81, 11 November 2013 - 19:28.

[wj_gibson]

I think it's a bold decision but I suspect the correct one. Perez was very up and down at Sauber and has remained so at McLaren.

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

Perez only brought this on himself

The telling moment was last year when Mclaren signed him and his performances for Sauber tailed off. His performances should have stepped up like great drivers are capable of doing.

[Music Lover]

Good move!

Never liked Peres, too arrogant. Reckless driving  and newer his fault when making mistakes. He did some really bad moves on Button and a few other drivers. Particularity remembering Monza where he overdrived the same corner multiple times forcing other drivers to abandon their turn to finally hit Kimi. Then he made a fool of himself after the race with a bad attitude.  Poor form!

 

I'm used seeing drivers in  McL that have CLASS. Clean driving, friendly, stylish and setting a good example. 

[Music Lover]

Good. They still should have taken Hulk last year.

Yes!

[jimjimjeroo]

How can he be confirmed when the contract hasn't been signed!?

[John Player]

www.sniffpetrol.com

 

The Kevin Magnussen of motoring

 

[pacificquay]

How can he be confirmed when the contract hasn't been signed!?

The top line of the story is the decision has been made.

 

He's hardly likely to turn it down!

[Miggeex]

So Perez went too fast to a top team. There's so high pressure to deliver and just a bit of bad luck and you're out. I wonder if McLaren is seeing the new Hamilton in Magnussen.

[Spillage]

Surprised and disappointed if true. Be a shame to see Perez's real potential go to waste.

[as65p]

"In hindsight...." etc, etc

 

Sure. Isn't that the definition of 'mistake'? Otherwise we would have to call it sabotage...

[f1rules]

Interesting - Ron wasn't at all enamoured with his old man, so does Kevin pack a neater suitcase than Jan or is it a sign that Ron doesn't pull the big strings any more?

 

kevin is nothing like his dad!!

[f1rules]

he is much much much more serious and dedicated, even mw joked with it on danish television

[Dalton007]

Being fast over one lap is one thing, being fast over 70 is quite another. This is a very risky decision.

[nosecone]

If you read through the article on the autosport page you can see that nothing is confirmed! Who the hell is the reliable source? ATM_Adny? It is not the team that's for sure. The article quotes just one sentence. And that sentence tells nothing.

 

edit: @ dalton007: this is a problem indeed. In the lower racing series you don't learn how to save tyres, because the tyres aren't that soft...

Edited by nosecone, 11 November 2013 - 19:47.

[loki0420]

Nice! More interest for next year already!

[SophieB]

If you read through the article on the autosport page you can see that nothing is confirmed! Who the hell is the reliable source? ATM_Adny? It is not the team that's for sure. The article quotes just one sentence. And that sentence tells nothing

 

It's the certainty shown by Autosport and by the BBC that's making people (like me) think this is a done deal. Journalists lose authority when they announce big stories that don't happen. If they hadn't been told pretty firmly by the team, albeit off the record, I do not believe they would have run the story as a sure thing.

[bub]

Interesting if true. I get the feeling maybe Perez was just a seat filler until one of the McLaren young drivers were ready. Matching Button is gonna be tough for Magnussen. I wonder if Magnussen will have a better car to work with than Perez had? I wonder if Perez will be in F1 next year? So much change next year really spices things up. 

[Santosdf]

 

I'm used seeing drivers in  McL that have CLASS. Clean driving, friendly, stylish and setting a good example. 

 

 

Aren't you over reacting a bit

[Coral]

I'm quite surprised (but secretly quite pleased) at this news. Perez has been very disappointing this season and to be honest there is just something about him that just does not seem to "fit" at McLaren. They really need a quality driver to take over as No.1 when Button retires. I don't know much about Magnussen but I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. Hopefully he can help lift McLaren out of their slump!

[blackmme]

I feel very, very sad for Sergio, he hasn't been far off Jenson at all and the 28 has been an uber dog.
McLaren's decision making has been poor recently, I can't help thinking that this is another example. No disrespect to Kevin at all it's just I feel Sergio deserves a year in a good car!

Regards Mike

[bogi]

welcome Kevin

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=WVcW4DpswCM

[JLF1]

This is the right choice by McLaren, Perez was a huge mistake. 

McLaren do not need the money and they need to take a risk and put one of their young drivers in the car, Kevin is the best choice for the seat yes he might not be as quick from the off but McLaren will give him time who knows he could be a future champion.

[seltaeb]

I'm glad to see a bit of a shake up at McLaren.

 

If McLaren were willing to let Perez go, I wonder why they didn't go get Hulkenberg instead? Do they not rate him that highly, or is Magnussen that promising? Time will tell.

Edited by SophieB, 11 November 2013 - 20:09.

[bogi]

And people say ''Whitmarsh doesn't have balls''.

[Slackbladder]

Wow.... Poor Perez, but f1 is harsh... Add another driver to the market...

[MikeV1987]

It was the right choice, bring on 2014 already!

[BillBald]

Good move!

Never liked Peres, too arrogant. Reckless driving  and newer his fault when making mistakes. He did some really bad moves on Button and a few other drivers. Particularity remembering Monza where he overdrived the same corner multiple times forcing other drivers to abandon their turn to finally hit Kimi. Then he made a fool of himself after the race with a bad attitude.  Poor form!

 

I'm used seeing drivers in  McL that have CLASS. Clean driving, friendly, stylish and setting a good example. 

 

Can you expand on this? I'm not sure what you are referring to.

[KWSN - DSM]

I presume that this is indeed true, for both BBC and Autosport to report this and it then not being correct does not seem likely. As a Dane I am very happy about this, it have been obvious for quite some time that McLaren saw something very very good in Kevin Magnussen, and making room for him over Perez show this. His results next season will show if it was a smart or a not smart decision.

 

In regard his dad, yes he was a huge disappointment considering the talent that he obviously had. On an other site I referred to him as "Kimi before Kimi with less self discipline", this link gives a pretty good accessment of Jan's F1 career.

 

http://www.janmagnus...2/709053800.pdf

 

[Rentta]

Then there is this article from formula1.com

Whitmarsh: McLaren considering ‘lots’ of drivers for 2014

http://www.formula1....3/11/15227.html

[DutchQuicksilver]

At least this news means that McLaren isn't in financial problems (anymore).

[SophieB]

A few posts removed. To keep us on a sound footing - this isn't a McLaren chat thread, so not the place to be giving your general overall opinions on Sam Michael, Jenson Button etc.

[fabr68]

Perez will regret burning bridges with Ferrari last year

[JLF1]

Then there is this article from formula1.com

Whitmarsh: McLaren considering ‘lots’ of drivers for 2014

http://www.formula1....3/11/15227.html

Kevin will have the drive but i would say that McLaren are just playing a game with everyone now to stir things up a bit.

I have a feeling it will be confirmed at Austin.