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[Andrew Hope]

>this predictable Top 3.

[Andrew Hope]

- That time I got stung in the ass by a hornet

- That time I tore $300 headphones in half because I hallucinated they were a vicious cobra

- That time my first girlfriend told me she was pregnant as a joke and let me believe it for a month

- That time I realized I was a jaded old man at age 20

- That time I watched all the races this weekend.

[Andrew Hope]

For ****'s sakes JJ was an inch from spinning there.

[Dilla]

Jimmie's got damage on the front, Kenseth's got damage on the rear.

[Yhamm]

that was so damn close

[SR388]

God that was scary.

[Andrew Hope]

Caution with Jimmie needs, of course. Thanks Obama.

[Yhamm]

Dale <3

really nice race today

[Andrew Hope]

WE FIRE NOW!

[Dilla]

Jr. better win this race.

 

Oh snap, did y'all see Menard's tire literally blow up near the pit crew?!? That could have hurt somebody.

[Yhamm]

crazy **** o_o

[Magoo]

[BobbyRicky]

Now lets see pirelli match that!

[Andrew Hope]

10/10 beard on Menard there.

[pingu666]

dang

[Yhamm]

Damnit, Dale losing lot of time on Hamlin here

[Dilla]

Bah, Kenseth and Jr. used each other up. Hamlin wins; Johnson six-time champion.

Edited by Dilla, 17 November 2013 - 23:26.

[SR388]

Woohoo!! Jimmie did it!!!

GETTING IT DONE!!!!

[Yhamm]

meh.

Dale didn't win and wrong champion

 

nice race nonetheless

[Red17]

That's it guys, cya next year.

[senna da silva]

Congrats JJ on #6.

[Andrew Hope]

Rather him than Kenseth.

[George Costanza]

Credit to JJ.... He had a heck of a year. 6 time champion.

[senna da silva]

Rather him than Kenseth.

 

Agreed.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Poor Mark Martin. 6 was his number.

[OvDrone]

I just broke up with my 6 year significant other. Ol' 6 time is right. *sarcastic yeay*

 

Great way to finish the year, when I need more f****** races to keep me company.

 

Anywhooo... congrats to this Jimmie guy, who is he?

[SR388]

I just broke up with my 6 year significant other. Ol' 6 time is right. *sarcastic yeay*

Great way to finish the year, when I need more f****** races to keep me company.

Anywhooo... congrats to this Jimmie guy, who is he?

Jimmie is one of the greatest people to ever drive a car. We are lucky to watch him do this, and we all should write jimmie a thank you letter for making our lives better, I send him that letter twice a week. I think they get lost in the mail as he never responds.

[OvDrone]

His wife is hot though.

[nosaj100]

You guys missed the biggest deal in all of this; JJ's got a NASCAR Hall of Fame vote for next year!  [/sarcasm]

Edited by nosaj100, 18 November 2013 - 00:39.

[OvDrone]

[/sarcasm] is all I can think of this (and other) championship. *such nothing*

[Option1]

Way to go Jimmie! 

 

I'll never get the haters, although some of them are probably Kyle Busschh supporters which would explain a lot of things in their lives.

Neil

[bourbon]

Congrats at Jimmie Johnson!  What a stud!

[Dilla]

The original hate came from being Gordon's protege. Back the 2002, the lingering hate for Gordon from the 90s was still there (Gordon is a fan favorite now).

 

Now, I think most of the hate comes from the Chase by extension. The 48 team is the poster child of not showing its cards for the first 26 races, just being content with saving their stuff for the final 10 races. And when things doesn't go his way, he does get pretty whiny (though you can say that about 99% of racing drivers), especially evident during his restart issues earlier this year.

 

Without a doubt, Johnson would likely be a 2 or 3 time champion even without the Chase (especially this year, he was just dominant all season this year), but definitely not a 6 time champion, at least I think so.

 

Whatever, I'm ready for next year.

Edited by Dilla, 18 November 2013 - 04:31.

[Lemnpiper]

The original hate came from being Gordon's protege. Back the 2002, the lingering hate for Gordon from the 90s was still there (Gordon is a fan favorite now).

 

Now, I think most of the hate comes from the Chase by extension. The 48 team is the poster child of not showing its cards for the first 26 races, just being content with saving their stuff for the final 10 races. And when things doesn't go his way, he does get pretty whiny (though you can say that about 99% of racing drivers), especially evident during his restart issues earlier this year.

 

Without a doubt, Johnson would likely be a 2 or 3 time champion even without the Chase (especially this year, he was just dominant all season this year), but definitely not a 6 time champion, at least I think so.

 

Whatever, I'm ready for next year.

 

 

    I agree completely , the 48 team sees the tracks that make up the chase and gear their efforts  to maintain a top 10  point  level  ( and a couple wins)  thru the 1st 26 races , but really bear down during the chase to minimize the loss of points in each race.

 

   Also based on Jayski  keeping track of the "official " and "old way" if keeping points  JJ still has a minimum of 4 and maybe even 5 points championships during  his time in the Nextel/Sprint Cup series.

  

 Don't cry for Jeff Gordon too much  as an owner of the #48  he can now claim he's a 10 time champion based upon adding his driving and owner years.

 

    This is where I believe Dale Earnhardt Sr would be still a factor if he had lived since he struck me as the type where the car winning the championship was just as important as him winning it.  And as such he would be Rick Henrick's main competition now for owner championships.

 

  In conclusion  folks may look back at the 2013 season and see how it ended goin like a couple of the earlier seasons in which JJ won  and this in time will make it fade into the background quicker than the year  2012 season since this year's champion has such a  "been there saw this before " feeling to it..

 

 

     Paul

[OfficeLinebacker]

The original hate came from being Gordon's protege. Back the 2002, the lingering hate for Gordon from the 90s was still there (Gordon is a fan favorite now).

 

Now, I think most of the hate comes from the Chase by extension. The 48 team is the poster child of not showing its cards for the first 26 races, just being content with saving their stuff for the final 10 races. And when things doesn't go his way, he does get pretty whiny (though you can say that about 99% of racing drivers), especially evident during his restart issues earlier this year.

 

Without a doubt, Johnson would likely be a 2 or 3 time champion even without the Chase (especially this year, he was just dominant all season this year), but definitely not a 6 time champion, at least I think so.

 

Whatever, I'm ready for next year.

This is a common argument and I do not think it's valid.  The 48 team are wicked smart.  Because the rules have the Chase, they have optimized their strategy for the Chase.  If the Chase did not exist, they would optimize for the rules that were in effect.

 

You can't discount their success with the Chase.  They would dominate regardless of rule set.

[nosaj100]

This is a common argument and I do not think it's valid.  The 48 team are wicked smart.  Because the rules have the Chase, they have optimized their strategy for the Chase.  If the Chase did not exist, they would optimize for the rules that were in effect.

 

You can't discount their success with the Chase.  They would dominate regardless of rule set.

 

I disagree here to a degree. I think you can discount Chase championships a bit (not just JJ's) because no matter how you slice it, its still a 10 race champion. Discount may not be the right word. I don't think its an equal comparison so pick a word that fits. It's even worse with the wild card stuff now because even though it hasn't happened, there's a possibility you can miss one or even two races in a season, still make the Chase via wild card, and win the championship. That's just absurd imo. Motorsports championships should be scored over the entire season, not just segments. Johnson is a great driver, but I can't rightly say his championships are the same as Petty or Earnhardt's 7. It's not fair to JJ, but that's what NASCAR set up. Race Wins are a different story though and probably a better comparison since NASCAR hasn't found a way to drastically alter the outcomes (yet).

 

BTW, I don't think Knaus has his team sandbagging during the season and then deciding to play with a full deck come Chase time. This guy is a genius. A modern day Smokey Yunick, pushing the boundaries of the NASCAR "gray area" any time he can to gain the slightest of advantages. Every week he sets out to win and from what I've heard, his attention to detail is so great he comes across as a real jerk to anyone that's not focusing on winning 100% of the time. I have a hard time believing  a guy with his personality traits could stand going into a weekend and not giving full effort.

[SR388]

I disagree here to a degree. I think you can discount Chase championships a bit (not just JJ's) because no matter how you slice it, its still a 10 race champion. Discount may not be the right word. I don't think its an equal comparison so pick a word that fits. It's even worse with the wild card stuff now because even though it hasn't happened, there's a possibility you can miss one or even two races in a season, still make the Chase via wild card, and win the championship. That's just absurd imo. Motorsports championships should be scored over the entire season, not just segments. Johnson is a great driver, but I can't rightly say his championships are the same as Petty or Earnhardt's 7. It's not fair to JJ, but that's what NASCAR set up. Race Wins are a different story though and probably a better comparison since NASCAR hasn't found a way to drastically alter the outcomes (yet).

 

BTW, I don't think Knaus has his team sandbagging during the season and then deciding to play with a full deck come Chase time. This guy is a genius. A modern day Smokey Yunick, pushing the boundaries of the NASCAR "gray area" any time he can to gain the slightest of advantages. Every week he sets out to win and from what I've heard, his attention to detail is so great he comes across as a real jerk to anyone that's not focusing on winning 100% of the time. I have a hard time believing  a guy with his personality traits could stand going into a weekend and not giving full effort.

 

 

I disagree, I think the Chase is even tougher. The ability to put together 10 perfect races is near impossible. One DNF or hell just one mediocre weekend and you are out. In the old days there was more of a safety net. I also love what the chase brings to the season. It makes winning a bit more important as it is your ticket to locking up a wild card spot. It makes the last 10 races before the chase super exciting as you get to wonder and speculate as to who is in, and the actual chase races are a BLAST!!!!! Even with a big gap going to Miami, there was REAL TENSION and EXCITEMENT! I nearly lost it in anger when smoke started to appear from Six Time's car. I think under the old format Six time locks these things up by Kansas and the last few weeks are meaningless. Sounds like a racing series wrapping up this week. 

 

To each their own though. I can understand the Chase may not suit racing purists, but then again I want a good show, and in all honestly neither of my big 3 (F1, NASCAR, Indy) racing series are really that "pure".

[Andrew Hope]

Purist is just another word for douche.

[Dilla]

Don't consider myself a "purist" (I don't even care about NASCAR history beyond Dale Jarrett's title), but still don't like the Chase.

 

I mean ****, at least the leader heading to the Chase something for his consistency, like an automatic 15 point lead ahead of the guy with the most wins or something.

Edited by Dilla, 19 November 2013 - 06:24.

[nosaj100]

I disagree, I think the Chase is even tougher. The ability to put together 10 perfect races is near impossible. One DNF or hell just one mediocre weekend and you are out. In the old days there was more of a safety net. I also love what the chase brings to the season. It makes winning a bit more important as it is your ticket to locking up a wild card spot. It makes the last 10 races before the chase super exciting as you get to wonder and speculate as to who is in, and the actual chase races are a BLAST!!!!! Even with a big gap going to Miami, there was REAL TENSION and EXCITEMENT! I nearly lost it in anger when smoke started to appear from Six Time's car. I think under the old format Six time locks these things up by Kansas and the last few weeks are meaningless. Sounds like a racing series wrapping up this week. 

 

To each their own though. I can understand the Chase may not suit racing purists, but then again I want a good show, and in all honestly neither of my big 3 (F1, NASCAR, Indy) racing series are really that "pure".

 

That may well be true but that wasn't point. Degree of difficulty doesn't matter to what I was saying. The point is the old way and the Chase aren't equally comparable by the very definition of what The Chase is. It's not really fair to say JJ's 6 are comparable to 7 the old way because they're won under entirely different circumstances. Same thing would apply if Gordon somehow won 3 Chase titles to add to his 4 the old way. It's just different.

[Lemnpiper]

 Which leaves Nascar with the problem if they ever do dump the chase format  how the chase years will be regarded to the historians.

 

 Adding to the problem is how NASCAR itself seems to have utter disregard  to the older days when many local dirt tracks made up what evolved into the Sprint cup series.

[LuckyStrike1]

I quote Tony Stewart. 

 

You are all stupid. It is the Chase we have. It is the system used. It is the system we race after. Comparing to any other system is stupid because that system isn't used. Don't ask me this question again. You are all stupid. Media is back in form. 

[Option1]

I agree wit' big Tony, and I don't like the Chase at all.  However, a champion of the series is the champion whatever was used to determine that status.  It's not as though they changed the criteria part way through the season (although I wouldn't put it beyond them to do so one day).

 

Neil

[Atreiu]

I quote Tony Stewart. 

 

You are all stupid. It is the Chase we have. It is the system used. It is the system we race after. Comparing to any other system is stupid because that system isn't used. Don't ask me this question again. You are all stupid. Media is back in form. 

 

That's good enough for me.

[Red17]

What a Long, Stange Trip It's Been

 

The Gen5? Ah yes, so far only one driver has missed it,

 

 

and was promptly introduced to a bunch of happy going chaps

 

Slightly off-topic, but it appears the black magic of the nascar threads has worked once more. Not only did I call the race winner but Monty Python are reuniting again!