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#101 Jon83

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 11:28

Not a Perez fan but not sure I get the apparent hatred for him. He made some mistakes earlier this season and towards the end of last but regarding his refusal to take the blame for things, he is hardly unique in that sense (in F1)

 

I hope he does find another seat and think he is extremely unlucky to be out at McLaren. 



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#102 MustangSally

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 14:01

A similar thing happened with Hulkenberg in 2010.

 

Weber - not known to be shy about asking for money - wanted a raise for Hulk which Williams didn't think was merited. Plus Maldo was coming. Williams offered to place Hulk with Kolles at HRT for a year and bring him back for 2012.  Hulk decided he would rather not race and went as reserve to FI.

 

This mudslinging at Perez is surely a little undignified. I don't recall Sauber bad-mouthing the guy. 



#103 DanardiF1

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 14:42

 

A similar thing happened with Hulkenberg in 2010.

 

Weber - not known to be shy about asking for money - wanted a raise for Hulk which Williams didn't think was merited. Plus Maldo was coming. Williams offered to place Hulk with Kolles at HRT for a year and bring him back for 2012.  Hulk decided he would rather not race and went as reserve to FI.

 

This mudslinging at Perez is surely a little undignified. I don't recall Sauber bad-mouthing the guy. 

 

 

Sauber never do though do they?



#104 Baeza1

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 21:33

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#105 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 21:58

After yesterday comments from Hulk and today's from Maldonado i wouldn't be surprised if Perez is the main priority for Lotus. 



#106 Eff One 2002

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 00:43

Er, McLaren has already confirmed that Kevin Magnussen will drive for them next year . You can find the announcement on every major F1 site.

 

As to Perez's favorable comparison with regards to Button, I do not see what you mean. Button has had the measure of Checo in every measurable way -- giving a fair run would not be an accurate description.

Yes, but that was only recently announced.

 

10 vs 8 in qualifying in Button's favour, considering Button's additional experience with the team and in F1 in general is what I would classify as "comparing favourably", at least as far as qualifying is concerned. In races, I grant you the record is a little one-sided with Button getting the better of Perez 10 - 4, in races they both finished with Button on 60 points as it currently stands and Perez on only 35. He is often very close to Button's pace, though and they have often been close together on the track at many races this year.


Edited by Eff One 2002, 17 November 2013 - 02:58.


#107 Collective

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:32

Qualy is 9-9...

#108 William Hunt

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 12:16

Whitmarsh himself is talking with Force India offering them a huge discount on 2014 Mclaren supplies trying to obtain a seat for Sergio, so if he is arrogant, why is Martin helping him?, you see, the desicion came from the executive offices and does not have anything to do with the driver attitude.

 

That's what I was also wondering. If he really misbehaved, why would Whitmarsh then still try to help him?

All we have as a source for Perez' arrogant behaviour is an article written by Jo Ramirez, who does not work for McLaren anymore. He left them at the end of 2001.


Edited by William Hunt, 17 November 2013 - 12:17.


#109 Talisman

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 13:41

Yeah I think something has gone missing. Now Perez is depicted as an evil guy, who refuses to work with engineers and tells everyone to "**** off".

 

Bottom line is that Perez and McLaren just didn't fit together. Like Frentzen and Williams. But this is the fault of team's personnel policy and man-management. Before hiring Perez, he had been around in the paddock for almost two years already. They must have had at least some kind of an idea, what kind of person he is and how well does he suit into the team. It is not like the teams are in a similar situation like us F1 fans, when hiring drivers - we see them a few times on TV giving interviews and we have to decide whether they are good enough to work for us. Seems a bit odd to claim in retrospect "oh we finally found out Sergio is arrogant". Like McLaren hasn't had such drivers before. They should already sense such drivers with gut feeling, who could possibly fit into their team or who couldn't. And if they still take a gamble, then perhaps be prepared to adapt team's culture accordingly.

 

I remember after hiring Perez McLaren/Whitmarsh started instantly making comments that "he will be on pace, delivering from the beginning"; "we will have to train him to become having a McLaren mindset". I remember some people on the forums were instantly sceptical about such thing, saying that Whitmarsh hasn't got a clue about man-management, telling to "teach" his new employee already before he has started working for them... Yeah, I think this scepticism was right. Problems in an organization usually start from the top. If you hire people /other characters with a view of moulding them becoming like you, it will end badly. Ended with Montoya, ended with Alonso. In the end Hamilton wasn't happy either. Only drivers with a very professional attitude like Coulthard and Button can take it long-term. Or Hakkinen, who had a very soft and gentle character and didn't care.

 

Perez himself is/was only 23/24 years old too, so to expect him to be very mature out of his age was perhaps an over-expectation as well. Hey, Vettel is 26 and people still complain he is childish. It is a bit sad for Perez that he is now put into such bad light that could possibly end his career. But he is young and could mature. However, McLaren has a long history of mismanaging drivers and this makes me much more careful.

 

I think the problem with Perez is threefold.

 

Firstly he might be backed by the world's richest guy but Slim didn't get that rich by wasting his money.  As Whitmarsh said at the time Perez was signed he was looking for new sponsorship opportunities.  Telmex has refused to bring the kind of sponsorship package to the table that McLaren would have liked, and now Woking is feeling much much more financially stable for the future with a Vodaphone replacement and a works/sponsorship deal with Honda suddenly the need for a Mexican driver is much reduced.  Instead they need to think about placating Honda who would expect a top driver paired with a highly promising talent for the future.  Perez is neither.

 

Secondly I've heard the accusations of arrogance before.  Joe Saward reported last year that after Perez' great performance at Sepang Ferrari were actually less impressed than before with Perez because his perception of his self worth had blown way out of proportion to reality, hence why he was dropped by them as a potential future driver despite Massa doing his level best to be sacked mid-season.  

 

Thirdly as a driver he is ok, average.  There are many that are worse and many that are better than he.  He hasn't shown a tremendous improvement through the season and his race logic at times such as Monaco has been dubious at best. 

None of these on their own would have been enough to sack him but together?  I think its enough.  I hope Kevin Magnussen is the real deal though as McLaren are taking a big risk going for him.


Edited by Talisman, 17 November 2013 - 13:41.


#110 SenorSjon

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 13:52

I don't see him as an ambassador for a team. Especially the likes of McLaren like their drivers pretty corporate. I find it funny that since Senna, every Latin/McLaren coupling failed. Montoya, Alonso and now Perez.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 23:30

Qualy is 9-9...

Ah well there you go. Just backs up the point even further that Perez has given Button a fair run for his money this year.



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:07

Interesting insight from F1.com

 

 

Q: Checo’s sudden departure was not the normal McLaren style. Why did you have to go down that route?
MW: This is a fantastic sport, but there are inevitably in every job moments that are not pleasant. Picking up the phone to Checo a few weeks ago I said: ‘Listen, I told you before we had Hulkenberg, Di Resta, Massa - we’ve had a lot of choices. But you are not under threat from within Formula One, because in my view people can argue over who is the better of all these guys and I feel that not enough difference has materialized to justify a change.’ But I also said to him: ‘Your only threat is from within - from our young drivers.’ I don’t think he took that as seriously as he maybe should have. But he knew that. I also said to him: ‘We are not talking to anybody - whatever it says in the media - and before I talk to anyone I will talk to you.’ So some time ago I told him that I was going to see Kevin Magnussen’s management and that I was going to talk about a drive for next year. I told him it may not happen, but that it is a serious intention and that’s why I am telling you. Making these calls is not the nice part of the job, but it is my responsibility. We are a loyal team: loyal to our partners, to our staff and to our drivers. But occasionally you’ve got to make the hard call - and that ends up with me. Let me tell a little story. I was flying in a small plane from Japan to Korea and there were four or five drivers on the plane. Suddenly an ex one - Martin Brundle - said: ‘I remember when you fired me.’ Then David Coulthard said: ‘I also remember when you fired me.’ Heikki Kovalainen was on the plane as well - and he also could remember when I fired him. All in all the plane had eight passengers and from these eight I had fired five! I do love drivers - we are a driver-driven team. When a driver wins it’s his greatness - and if he loses it’s the team’s fault! So firing is a tough thing to do, but you have to do this sometimes and make these calls. Checo did nothing wrong. But I have to make decisions that I believe are for the benefit of the team in the long run. You might argue that the call came very late, but think for one moment: the Ferrari seats were gone - and he was never in contention; the Red Bull seats were gone and he was never in contention; the Toro Rosso seats were gone and he was never in contention; and the Mercedes seats were gone and he was never in contention. At the time I told him the Williams seat was available, the Lotus seat was available, the Force India seat was available, the Sauber seat was available, and the Caterham seat was available - so actually every seat he was a candidate for was still available. It was late but not too late and I do believe - and I have spoken to three teams personally and recommended and supported him - he is good enough to be in Formula One. He deserves it and I believe that he will be in F1 next year.

 

 

http://www.formula1....3/11/15292.html



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:32

For me the most damning factor has been his total and utter incapability of owning up to any of his mistakes and learning from them. He might be talented but not to the point that would justify his actions.
I won't be missing him.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:37

If PDVSA doesn't get the money for Maldonado, I can see Pérez ending up at Lotus. If not, it'll probably be Sauber alongside Gutierrez.



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:32

For me the most damning factor has been his total and utter incapability of owning up to any of his mistakes and learning from them. He might be talented but not to the point that would justify his actions.
I won't be missing him.

 

name 3 that you think are the worst.



#116 Konsta

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 14:36

name 3 that you think are the worst.


Basically every collision he's been involved in. I'm not saying that he's been at fault in every one of them but his crashing to Kimi in Monaco comes as an good example.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 17:14

I think the problem with Perez is threefold.

 

Firstly he might be backed by the world's richest guy but Slim didn't get that rich by wasting his money.  As Whitmarsh said at the time Perez was signed he was looking for new sponsorship opportunities.  Telmex has refused to bring the kind of sponsorship package to the table that McLaren would have liked, and now Woking is feeling much much more financially stable for the future with a Vodaphone replacement and a works/sponsorship deal with Honda suddenly the need for a Mexican driver is much reduced.  Instead they need to think about placating Honda who would expect a top driver paired with a highly promising talent for the future.  Perez is neither.

 

Secondly I've heard the accusations of arrogance before.  Joe Saward reported last year that after Perez' great performance at Sepang Ferrari were actually less impressed than before with Perez because his perception of his self worth had blown way out of proportion to reality, hence why he was dropped by them as a potential future driver despite Massa doing his level best to be sacked mid-season.  

 

Thirdly as a driver he is ok, average.  There are many that are worse and many that are better than he.  He hasn't shown a tremendous improvement through the season and his race logic at times such as Monaco has been dubious at best. 

None of these on their own would have been enough to sack him but together?  I think its enough.  I hope Kevin Magnussen is the real deal though as McLaren are taking a big risk going for him.

With all due respect it was his first year with Mclaren teaming up with  a world champion on whom he made a successful move in a place like monaco. Secondly do you remember how many times mika hakkinen crashed in his first 3 years of F1? Do you remember what Grosjean did last year?. He still out qualified his team mate this year.


Edited by MJ999, 23 November 2013 - 17:16.


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 17:27

With all due respect it was his first year with Mclaren teaming up with  a world champion on whom he made a successful move in a place like monaco. Secondly do you remember how many times mika hakkinen crashed in his first 3 years of F1? Do you remember what Grosjean did last year?. He still out qualified his team mate this year.

 

I think above all else, serious pace is what McLaren are looking for, the single reason they are willing to take a big risk on KMag.

 

You really have to ask yourself when did Perez look seriously quicker than Button? (a champion, nevertheless definitely never been considered top shelf in the raw pace department)

 

If Checo DNF'd every race this season but showed cracking pace, he'd have the drive 3 months ago.



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 17:36

I think above all else, serious pace is what McLaren are looking for, the single reason they are willing to take a big risk on KMag.

 

You really have to ask yourself when did Perez look seriously quicker than Button? (a champion, nevertheless definitely never been considered top shelf in the raw pace department)

 

If Checo DNF'd every race this season but showed cracking pace, he'd have the drive 3 months ago.

 yes but according to Checo he was sent a contract which he signed but things changed in a matter of 2-3 days.. so i think checo is not a bad driver. and as for kevin he has never raced in F1 so still a big question mark.

 

Ps: i am not a checo fan.


Edited by MJ999, 23 November 2013 - 17:36.