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#51 ArkZ

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 17:51

@SkyF1Insider 10m

Jenson's parade car broke down and started rolling backwards on the hill. Luckily webber was there to pick him up !

Webber has not learned from Singapore, reprimand!  :lol: .


Edited by ArkZ, 17 November 2013 - 17:54.


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#52 swerved

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 17:55

Great illustration of the vortices on the Red Bull Vs those on the Ferrari, best use of the skypad so far.



#53 P0inters

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 17:58

Great illustration of the vortices on the Red Bull Vs those on the Ferrari, best use of the skypad so far.

Agreed. The Red Bull looks so much neater and Ferrari aren't bringing the air around the car.   :clap:  :clap:



#54 george1981

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:00

I think one is Maldonado and, according to Spanish TV (not the most reliable), Williams' engineers and so on have taken very badly what Pastor told yesterday.

 

The only other driver I can think about is PĂ©rez, but he's already on his way out of the team and being disgruntled won't change a thing. Unless she's thinking about drivers considering doing something really stupid on track, but I don't think Checo would.

I think Maldonado might be disgruntled when he works out why the fluid in his water bottle tastes different to usual. :confused:



#55 study

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:04

Its always amazing that Redbull are fixing gear boxes without penalitys???



#56 swerved

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:05

Potential problems with Vettels gearbox, its on its 5th race, plus a couple of donuts, and they've had to change an oil shuttle valve.



#57 P0inters

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:06

Did I just hear that they broke his seal ? But no penalty ?  :confused:



#58 SamH123

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:07

Oh, now my head is filled with delicious visions that will never come to pass. Like of the Williams staff expressing their anger by maybe making him get out and change his own tyres at the pit stops. Or maybe Pastor is so mad at them, he just refuses to race at all in a massive sulk and Ms Wolff has to step forward to save the day...

 

Make Maldonado have to change his own tires  :lol:

With what he's said I think they should just replace him for the publicity



#59 Tosh

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:07

Yeah, yeah. They were worried for quite some time. 



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#60 Longtimefan

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:07

That should be a grid penalty, hope the other teams protest.

#61 study

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:08

Did I just hear that they broke his seal ? But no penalty ?  :confused:

 

they've done it several times this year, they even changed cogs a few races back without penalty.



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:10

3rd race running they've broke the seal 

 

 

FARCE

 

Its like the old "Only fools and horses" triggers broom joke, change a part this week, change a different one next week, is anything left of the original gearbox?


Edited by study, 17 November 2013 - 18:12.


#63 Wanderer

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:10

Vettel driving the Cobra himself on the parade lap.  :D



#64 krobinson

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:11

What will happen - 

1) Webber will mess up his start, 4th by the end of the first lap.

2) Vettel will lead by 2,5 seconds after first lap.

3) Red Bull will be 1-1,5 seconds per lap faster once again.

4) Hamilton, Alonso will drive their hearts out, but will once again have to see inferior drivers with superior cars beating them.

 

Potential problems with Vettels gearbox, its on its 5th race, plus a couple of donuts, and they've had to change an oil shuttle valve.

Nothing will happen. Instead Webber will retire 6 laps from the end with another mystery problem.



#65 SophieB

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:12

Did the FIA quietly change the regs after the Great Gearbox Plague of 2012 or have teams spotted a loophole or what?



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:12

3rd race running they've broke the seal 

 

 

FARCE

I guess rules are to be laughed at.



#67 Dalin80

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:13

I think RBR use the triggers broom defence when it comes to vettels gearbox, 'we may have replaced al lthe components but we havent replaced the box'.



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:13

Did the FIA quietly change the regs after the Great Gearbox Plague of 2012 or have teams spotted a loophole or what?

 

Nope, only 1 team is using a loop hole.



#69 K-One

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:15

Seb 7 wins in a row, win today would mean he would pass MS's record

#70 F1Champion

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:16

Not sure about this changing of the gearbox. I know the rules allow it, but if you have to break the seal to change parts to maintain reliability, this feels like it should lead to a grid penalty. Surely this circumnavigates the number of gearboxes allowed in the season.



#71 study

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:17

Not sure about this changing of the gearbox. I know the rules allow it, but if you have to break the seal to change parts to maintain reliability, this feels like it should lead to a grid penalty. Surely this circumnavigates the number of gearboxes allowed in the season.

 

It said on Sky, that this is the 3rd race in a row they've broken the seal and changed a part, different parts each time.



#72 apoka

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:18

Vettel driving the Cobra himself on the parade lap.  :D

 

Yes, that was nice to watch!  :clap: He had to convince the original driver to play the co-driver.



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:18

You can break seals with permission and change parts like for like, nothing new not just Red Bull who do it either and it happens regularly. You can also change other parts in parc ferme, once again "like for like" and for the Red Bull bashers just look at the list of parts changed on Hamiltons car at Abu Dhabi under Parc Ferme rules



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:18

My god... Jenson almost got run over by his corvette!

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Maldonado is taken his words back on fox sports lat... What a moron.

#75 Nonesuch

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:19

At least the stories of how incredibly hard it was for Red Bull to win will be a bit more believable if they're (again) forced to muck around with the gearbox.  ;)


Edited by Nonesuch, 17 November 2013 - 18:19.


#76 P0inters

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:20

I don't understand this at all. Why is there a rule about the number of gearboxes a year if they can do this , and , also , why did Massa get a penalty here last year if this is the case ?



#77 slmk

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:23

RBR is becoming the new Ferrari...



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:24

Does anybody know how much slower a 2-stop is compared to a 1 stop? Maybe Nico or Felipe might take a punt at it



#79 study

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:24

Well with the 70 million bonus, all the rule letoffs, it's certainly seeming a protected team



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#80 Nonesuch

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:26

I don't understand this at all. Why is there a rule about the number of gearboxes a year if they can do this , and , also , why did Massa get a penalty here last year if this is the case ?

 

Like the BBC's Andrew Benson said back in September: "article 9.5.2 of tech regs allows certain parts to be changed under FIA supervision".

 

As for why that is - who knows. Maybe the FIA want to have its cake and eat it too.


Edited by Nonesuch, 17 November 2013 - 18:28.


#81 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:27

FIA report at Monaco

After qualifying
Seals were broken on the gearboxes of the 09 Mercedes (Hamilton) and the 12 Sauber (Gutierrez), for Mercedes it was to inspect and replace the 6th gear ratio and its associated dog ring. For Sauber it was the same but for 4th and reverse.

 

Nothing new or untoward



#82 Watkins74

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:28

RBR is becoming the new Ferrari...

 

That's high praise.

 

BTW - How windy is it today?



#83 Watkins74

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:30

Well with the 70 million bonus, all the rule letoffs, it's certainly seeming a protected team

 

So are you just going to ignore all the posts explaining why this is legal and it happens all the time?



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:32

Does anybody know how much slower a 2-stop is compared to a 1 stop? Maybe Nico or Felipe might take a punt at it

 

De La Rosa said 6-8 seconds.



#85 P0inters

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:32

So are you just going to ignore all the posts explaining why this is legal and it happens all the time?

He said that before anyone explained why it was legal.  :wave:



#86 SamH123

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:32

Ooh a two lane pitstop, so no unsafe releases

 

I didn't know they had that



#87 Farhannn15

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:32

Ah 1-Stop is 10 seconds faster



#88 george1981

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:33

Damon Hill mentioned that stripping down and then rebuilding the gearbox could be seen as a form of maintenance.



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:33

That must be a sponsor grandstand opposite the pits - can't believe that 28 minutes before the red lights go out there is so many empty seats in such a premium grandstand?

 

Proof that the event still has a ways to go to really cement its place on the calendar (in terms of being financially viable)?



#90 Watkins74

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:34

He said that before anyone explained why it was legal.  :wave:

 

The 2013 rules have been posted at fia.com for about a year now.  :wave:



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:34

Ooh a two lane pitstop, so no unsafe releases

 

I didn't know they had that

 

They do?



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:37

You can break seals with permission and change parts like for like, nothing new not just Red Bull who do it either and it happens regularly. You can also change other parts in parc ferme, once again "like for like" and for the Red Bull bashers just look at the list of parts changed on Hamiltons car at Abu Dhabi under Parc Ferme rules

 

Pretty much.  I think the main point of unease would be that this is the third race in a row that they have done something similar to the same gearbox, so they are effectively servicing it.  Obviously the parc ferme rules aren't particularly strict.



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:38

Damon Hill mentioned that stripping down and then rebuilding the gearbox could be seen as a form of maintenance.

 

I agree. A rebuild is much better than just leaving it from yesterday surely? All for the sake of changing a 50p part...



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:39

The 2013 rules have been posted at fia.com for about a year now.  :wave:

Yes , because everyone spends there free time reading the rule book. Not even the FIA know every single rule.   :wave:  Anyway , the point is it's legal and he won't get a penalty. 


Edited by P0inters, 17 November 2013 - 18:40.


#95 apoka

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:40

Ah 1-Stop is 10 seconds faster

 

Sounds quite a lot. How much time do you lose in the pits? Sometimes, those predictions before the race are quite far off reality (and they are also different for each car).



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:41

Every other team could do the same with the gearbox. It is allowed to break the seal and change certain parts while a FiA inspector is anttendant.



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:43

Every other team could do the same with the gearbox. It is allowed to break the seal and change certain parts while a FiA inspector is anttendant.

 

They have to 'prove' there is sufficient damage. If you build that part to fail after qualifying it gives you the chance to do a lovely gearbox rebuild before the race.



#98 RC127

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:45

Uh oh, Lewis's car with a long brake pedal - working hard to bleed the brakes on the grid.



#99 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:46

Gearbox rebuild, that's a bit of an exaggeration?

How many parts in a gearbox

How many parts of that gearbox were changed?



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#100 RC127

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 18:47

Not American, but it is just awesome to hear the Star Spangled Banner before an F1 race - great use of the Tower as well, COTA!