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[Steve99]

"Those figures are with the current system. The running costs - for those willing to go the route I'm suggesting - wouild go down dramatically if:

* Team can enter any GP they wish, say only the European part of the championship"

 

Taking this part of the equartion alone, there's the issue of sponsors. They are not going to pay the same for ten races as for twenty, after all. Furthermore, the race promoters are really going  to be pleased, and willing to keep stumping up millions a year, when McLaren decide not to bother to appear at their race, or even Sauber, Force India, et al. Three car teams I'm not against, but to suggest F1 could survive with teams appearing as and when they want is a little far fetched. Furthemore, I suspect that, perhaps, four teams are in favour of three car teams; the rest have enough expense to worry about.

[totgate]

"but it takes a budget hitting $100m just to stick on the back of the grid."
 

 

That is a varning sign if any that something has to change. Three car teams is a good start. Make sure the cars rely more on mechanical grip. Then let the various engine manufacturers build whatever engine they want to produce but they have to sell it to other teams for a set price. Then perhaps we could have some variety in F1 again. Look at Cart during 1990-2000. probably the best racing series ever... :-)

[SonnyViceR]

"Those figures are with the current system. The running costs - for those willing to go the route I'm suggesting - wouild go down dramatically if:

* Team can enter any GP they wish, say only the European part of the championship"

 

Taking this part of the equartion alone, there's the issue of sponsors. They are not going to pay the same for ten races as for twenty, after all. Furthermore, the race promoters are really going  to be pleased, and willing to keep stumping up millions a year, when McLaren decide not to bother to appear at their race, or even Sauber, Force India, et al. Three car teams I'm not against, but to suggest F1 could survive with teams appearing as and when they want is a little far fetched. Furthemore, I suspect that, perhaps, four teams are in favour of three car teams; the rest have enough expense to worry about.

 

How exactly do all the other motor racing series, of which more than likely 90% are using that system (= ie full season participation not mandatory by law) survive perfectly from this but F1, allegedly the number 1 series wouldn't be able to pull it off?

 

In those series that actually use the said system very few of the established teams actually drop out of any of the races, unless it's for inevitable accident damage etc. For higher end up F1 teams it would be a blow for their profile to miss races on purpose and (as you said) the sponsors wouldn't be happy about that, so all things considered participating in all the races would make most sense nevertheless. So you might lose more money by not participating than if you participate

Edited by SonnyViceR, 24 November 2013 - 09:40.

[ATM]

I suppose you are right, but I'm also guessing it takes much more (money, technical expertise, people capabilities and quality) to extract the whole power from an F1 car  -rather than from a Renault Clio, for instance. 

 

Rephrasing my previous statement, I would not have much against one-off teams IF they would be partially competitive. But I guess we all can assume that, even with a budget cap, a one-off team will probably just embarrass itself. 

[Steve99]

How exactly do all the other motor racing series, of which more than likely 90% are using that system (= ie full season participation not mandatory by law) survive perfectly from this but F1, allegedly the number 1 series wouldn't be able to pull it off?

 

In those series that actually use the said system very few of the established teams actually drop out of any of the races, unless it's for inevitable accident damage etc. For higher end up F1 teams it would be a blow for their profile to miss races on purpose and (as you said) the sponsors wouldn't be happy about that, so all things considered participating in all the races would make most sense nevertheless. So you might lose more money by not participating than if you participate

 

Do these other series cost as much as F1? I have no idea, I'm not an expert on world motor racing. I see the merits of the idea, but I can't see it happening. Furthermore, the three car team idea has only surfaced again because there are teams - some currently relatively successful - struggling to cope financially. There is only so much money to go around, and that would apply to three car teams also.

[Jimisgod]

And if you look at that "ultra competitive" era of F1, only 3 cars in that race finished on the same lap!

Which is better than 18 drivers finishing on the same lap as Vettel as he wins 8 races in a row.