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[pRy]

Stefano just walked off on a tame BBC interview. Looked very unhappy.

Edited by pRy, 24 November 2013 - 18:23.

[Moosed]

Am i the only person who clearly saw Vettel do the same thing Massa got penalised for ? Surely he will get investigated ? lol...

[vista]

Am i the only person who clearly saw Vettel do the same thing Massa got penalised for ? Surely he will get investigated ? lol...

 

Exactly. That is why I want to know what exactly Massa got penalized for..

[jjcale]

Is this another historic penalty for LH?? 

 

... when did a guy a lap up ever get penalised for stopping another guy from unlapping himself??

 

... surely, the guy unlapping himself has an extra duty to be careful.....  and LH left him plenty of room and didnt change his line.... its a bizzare one

[Anja]

Am i the only person who clearly saw Vettel do the same thing Massa got penalised for ? Surely he will get investigated ? lol...

 

AFAIK, other drivers did that too and stopped after receiving warnings from FIA - Massa carried on with this.

[joshb]

Am i the only person who clearly saw Vettel do the same thing Massa got penalised for ? Surely he will get investigated ? lol...

Were you at the circuit because he was never on TV pictures for me to see!

[Moosed]

Were you at the circuit because he was never on TV pictures for me to see!

 

pay more attention... it was clearly shown on tv. no doubt someone will post a gif at some point

[halifaxf1fan]

That was a racing incident more than anything. But it was Hamilton's fault for drifting a bit in the braking zone, similar to what he did with Kobayashi in Spa 2011.

 

That's right.  Same thing happened in both cases as he drifted to the right having never having looked over to see where the other car was. The result was contact which drew a penalty.

[Gorma]

Is this another historic penalty for LH?? 

 

... when did a guy a lap up ever get penalised for stopping another guy from unlapping himself??

 

... surely, the guy unlapping himself has an extra duty to be careful.....  and LH left him plenty of room and didnt change his line.... its a bizzare one

Driving into another car is always forbidden... even if the other car is lapped. Lewis did move and he had more space.

[scheivlak]

 

 

... surely, the guy unlapping himself has an extra duty to be careful.....  and LH left him plenty of room and didnt change his line.... its a bizzare one

Have another look - he did change his line. He crowded Bottas in a breaking area. Really standard DT penalty.

[michal2009b]

Will Vettel get a penalty for crossing the pit lane white line on the final lap? He did the same as Massa did and Felipe received a DT.

[DarthWillie]

Is this another historic penalty for LH?? 

 

... when did a guy a lap up ever get penalised for stopping another guy from unlapping himself??

 

... surely, the guy unlapping himself has an extra duty to be careful.....  and LH left him plenty of room and didnt change his line.... its a bizzare one

wow Hamilton must be the most amazing driver ever. He is on the left side of the track, they collide on the right side and he doesn't change his line 

 

Seriosly, come on. Bottas was on new tires, exactly why sutil and a Torro Rosso unlapped themself with Vettel. New tires is quicker. Unlike Vettel, Hamilton doesn't have the brain to let him go, he won't bother him cause he is faster for now, but instead fights him and even manages to hit him. Loosing lots of places even before the DT.   The rules state you can change lines once if under attack. That is why Hamilton was on the left and why Bottas tried an attack on the right. The moment Hamilton hit him he had made a second move and deserved the penalty. But even without discussing the rights or wrongs, Mercedes should have warned him not to defend. Easy points lost.

Edited by DarthWillie, 24 November 2013 - 18:39.

[SenorSjon]

pay more attention... it was clearly shown on tv. no doubt someone will post a gif at some point

Half the field did it.
Before and after the Massa penalty. We even saw a replay with a Sauber next to another car doing the exact same thing.

Edited by SenorSjon, 24 November 2013 - 18:49.

[study]

wow Hamilton must be the most amazing driver ever. He is on the left side of the track, they collide on the right side and he doesn't change his lane 

 

Seriosly, come on. Bottas was on new tires, exactly why sutil and a Torro Rosso unlapped themself with Vettel. New tires is quicker. Unlike Vettel, Hamilton doesn't have the brain to let him go, he won't bother him cause he is faster for now, but instead fights him and even manages to hit him. Loosing lots of places even before the DT.   The rules state you can change lines once if under attack. That is why Hamilton was on the left and why Bottas tried an attack on the right. The moment Hamilton hit him he had made a second move and deserved the penalty. But even without discussing the rights or wrongs, Mercedes should have warned him not to defend. Easy points lost.

 

 

Unless I'm wrong, they overtook  Vettel on different parts of the track and also didn't do a late breaking move, like Bottas did.

     

 

I didn't see Lewis fight Bottos, so you're just making things up now.

Edited by study, 24 November 2013 - 18:40.

[SilentKiller]

Two DRS zones per lap is just too much.....absolutely ridiculous in a track like Interlagos which produces great racing regardless. DRS has made even overtaking boring.

[DarthWillie]

Unless I'm wrong, they overtook  Vettel on different parts of the track and also didn't do a late breaking move, like Bottas did.

     

 

I didn't see Lewis fight Bottos, so you're just making things up now.

Sutil did it at exactly the same point, and they didn't need to brake late because Vettel gave them the room. probably because he didn't want to be involved in a stupid unnessecary collision

[halifaxf1fan]

End of one of the dullest seasons in ages. Every time something exciting starts to build, it then doesnt happen. For the first time in 26 years of watching, I am not that fussed that the season is over.

 

Shame as it could nearlyhave been a great year.

 

It was much closer between the top teams until they switched to the 'safer' tires.  Then it was all Vettel.

[study]

Sutil did it at exactly the same point, and they didn't need to brake late because Vettel gave them the room. probably because he didn't want to be involved in a stupid unnessecary collision

 

Bottos came back way further back, braked really late and was going to do a stupid move around the outside.

 

Vettel wasn't overtaken at the same spot, he was overtaken much earlier.

 

Vettel wasn't going as fast as possible to catch Alonso, it didn't matter if he lost a few seconds, it would with Lewis especially when he would have to retake Bottos at the next corner

Edited by study, 24 November 2013 - 18:50.

[anti]

Race:  :: Pit :: Best lap :: Lap Chart :: History graph
 

[Nonesuch]

The DRS zones were a total farce. Alonso basically gave up 2nd twice! The BBC commentator may scream that he 'COULDN'T FIGHT BACK AT ALL! WEBBER TAKES SECOND!', but that first part is exactly the problem.

 

Would Webber have taken Alonso without DRS? Probably, but that's not the point. Imagine how much more enjoyable the race would have been if these two had been able to go at it for a few laps - before the tyres exploded, of course.

 

Anyway, a pretty fitting end to the year. Nothing too amazing, and an impressive performance by the world champions. They definitely deserve it this year.

Edited by Nonesuch, 24 November 2013 - 18:50.

[SenorSjon]

Bottos came back way further back, braked really late and was going to do a stupid move around the outside.

 

Vettel wasn't overtaken at the same spot, he was overtaken much earlier.

 

Vettel wasn't going as fast as possible to catch Alonso, it didn't matter if he lost a few seconds, it would with Lewis especially when he would have to retake Bottos at the next corner

Wut?

 

Bottas was in front of Hamilton. He drove in a straight line (as seen on the head on replay) and you see Hamilton cutting towards him. Rears touch, rest history. Causing a collision is the DT.

[alpinesmuggler]

I would have assumed that his engineer has warned him about it, and that he got the drive through for a repeat offense. There were radio transmissions in which drivers were warned that they will not get further warnings.

Yeah, I heard the radio tx to Felipe warning him about crossing the pit entry lines, but it might've been a bit too late. Still, it was a tight fight, Massa might've taken a bit of tight line, but it wasn't more egregious than the constant chicane cutting this year. Live and let live, I say. If Hamilton/Merc had complained about it, fine. But I don't think they did. That battle really was fun.

[study]

Wut?

 

Bottas was in front of Hamilton. He drove in a straight line (as seen on the head on replay) and you see Hamilton cutting towards him. Rears touch, rest history. Causing a collision is the DT.

You what? You've got to be kidding me.

[mangeliiito]

Half the field did it.
Before and after the Massa penalty. We even saw a replay with a Sauber next to another car doing the exact same thing.

We're not talking about the long single white line. They weren't many cars on the other area, and those who did got warnings and stoped doing it, Massa didn't. And the cars I saw cut a little bit, but Massa drove straight through it - not even close to the edge.
No, I don't know the English word for the part after the white line - the one with the horizontal ones...

[SenorSjon]

That one was crossed multple times as well.

 

On Hamilton:

http://www1.skysport...valtteri-bottas

When he says something like this, he knows he did something wrong. Otherwise he would have blamed Bottas.

[michal2009b]

Will Vettel be penalised for crossing the white line?

[study]

That one was crossed multple times as well.

 

On Hamilton:

http://www1.skysport...valtteri-bottas

When he says something like this, he knows he did something wrong. Otherwise he would have blamed Bottas.

 

Why, Lewis has never being slow blaming himself?

[Nonesuch]

http://www1.skysport...valtteri-bottas

When he says something like this, he knows he did something wrong. Otherwise he would have blamed Bottas.

 

I don't get that vibe from Hamilton this year. He actually seems pretty keen to blame himself, or to withhold judgement because he honestly doesn't know.

[OO7]

Why, Lewis has never being slow blaming himself?

He didn't really blame himself.

[halifaxf1fan]

That one was crossed multple times as well.

 

On Hamilton:

http://www1.skysport...valtteri-bottas

When he says something like this, he knows he did something wrong. Otherwise he would have blamed Bottas.

 

He was unsure of what happened because he didn't check to see where Bottas was as they entered the corner side by side.  Not knowing where the Williams was he drifted over and made contact.  Loss of concentration perhaps?

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 24 November 2013 - 19:11.

[study]

He was unsure of what happened because he didn't check to see where Bottas was as they entered the corner side by side.  Not knowing where the Williams was he drifted over and made contact.  Loss of concentration perhaps?

 

Or maybe not expecting a back marker to try something so stupid?

[halifaxf1fan]

Or maybe not expecting a back marker to try something so stupid?

 

Vettel had a few cars unlap themselves without incident,  he wasn't racing them so he carefully let them go without an unnecessary fight.

 

ps.  Hamilton did the same last year, unlapping himself against Vettel in Germany (I think).

[Ze Bum]

Or maybe not expecting a back marker to try something so stupid?

 

Bottas with new tyres was much faster than Humilton for the last 4 laps before the accident. Of course he had to unlap himself.

[study]

Yep, but the ones against Vettel didn't do what Bottas did, come flying down, late breaking in a do or die move, there was no reason for it from a backmarker

 

and its a lot easier for Vettel to let pass when he's 10 seconds in front off webber, so your argument is pointless in that regards.

[SenorSjon]

There was no do or die. Hamilton knew there was a car there. His team should have warned him, but Mercedes and tactics are not their thing.

[P0inters]

Yep, but the ones against Vettel didn't do what Bottas did, come flying down, late breaking in a do or die move, there was no reason for it from a backmarker

 

and its a lot easier for Vettel to let pass when he's 10 seconds in front off webber, so your argument is pointless in that regards.

Bottas' move was not a do or die move. He was well alongside Lewis before the breaking area and may not have even tried to complete the move.Hamilton just didn't see him and moved accross on him.

[PLAYLIFE]

Is this another historic penalty for LH?? 

 

... when did a guy a lap up ever get penalised for stopping another guy from unlapping himself??

 

... surely, the guy unlapping himself has an extra duty to be careful.....  and LH left him plenty of room and didnt change his line.... its a bizzare one

 

Lewis got penalised for causing a collision.  Whether it's with a lapped car or for position makes NO difference.  Read the regulations!

 

A driver un-lapping himself does not have any extra duty to be careful.  Again, read the regulations.

Anyway, Bottas was careful, he didn't hit Lewis.  Lewis hit him.

[Jon83]

The penalty for Massa seemed exceptionally harsh but I guess the stewards fancied making their own mark on the race. 

 

Farewell to the V8s. I know many don't like them but for those of us who never heard a V10 in particular, they were still awesome to listen to. 

[garagetinkerer]

Nothing to do with the driver, everything to do with a car two/three notches above the rest -- almost a sec per lap! ridiculous . As you said yourself, NINE BORING wins in a row. So much for competiton. Combine it wih the Brawn  and it's five years of sheer dullness at the worst viewing hours.

 

Yaaaawn!

Yes... Vettel's teammate is only 198 points behind him, must be the car!

Edited by garagetinkerer, 25 November 2013 - 03:48.

[Fontainebleau]

A nice, hard, long bro-hug between the two of them on the way to their cars. Genuine stuff.

Sorry for recovering this post from the depths of the race thread! this is the typical scene that I would have loved to see, but that the Spanish TV manages to miss because of thri constant advertisement. Would you happen to know if it is somewhere in youtube? Alternatively, which channel were you watching the race on?

Edited by Fontainebleau, 25 November 2013 - 10:07.

[WindPie]

 

Edited by WindPie, 25 November 2013 - 14:53.

[MikeTekRacing]

Is this another historic penalty for LH?? 

 

... when did a guy a lap up ever get penalised for stopping another guy from unlapping himself??

 

... surely, the guy unlapping himself has an extra duty to be careful.....  and LH left him plenty of room and didnt change his line.... its a bizzare one

 

1) when has a car a lap up stupid enough to hit a faster car a lap down totally unaware of its position?

2) are you for real? he crowded into him. there is nothing in the rule book saying you have to yield if an idiot rams you. even if you have space to do so.

 

 

I can't believe the level on this forum. defending lewis here is bellow stupid

[Maustinsj]

1) when has a car a lap up stupid enough to hit a faster car a lap down totally unaware of its position?

2) are you for real? he crowded into him. there is nothing in the rule book saying you have to yield if an idiot rams you. even if you have space to do so.

 

 

I can't believe the level on this forum. defending lewis here is bellow stupid

 

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