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[Seanspeed]

Yeah so? Ocon did better in Moscow and is still leading the championship by a wide margin.

What's your deal? lol

[JeePee]

Max wins while Ocon grabs P6. Very fun race and a very consistent drive by Max. I hope Helmut was watching 

[Thomas99]

This championship isn't over just yet. With that result the points gap will be around 80. Plenty of time to go

[Juan Kerr]

That's quite a slight against a four-time world champion...

 

...and the guy who's beating him this year.

Yes nothing wrong with those two but i'm talking higher than them, another notch up from that level.

[rjsports]

Did they do that with Vettel? They put him in the main team just after one season at STR and he was runner up to Button in 2009 (his second season F1, first at the main team)

 

Uhm no they didn't? Vettel first of all joined BMW in 2006 as a test/reserve driver where he did a lot of FP1 sessions. In 2007 he made his debute replacing Kubica, and later joined Toro Rosso for the remaining season. So he did 1,5 season but let's not forget the situation was different compared to now. They didn't managed to get a single victorie back then and Coulthard wouldn't be on the grid in 2009, so they needed a new driver anyway.

 

And let's be real people, we Dutch fans see this as totally amazing but that doesn't mean everyone else needs to see it as the exact same thing. So when someone isn't going along with your enthousiasme it's not necessary to go in a heated debate convicing that he should be fan of Max. And let's be real if this would be a Italian 16 year old we would also say it's to soon for F1.

 

Besides that it was a great F3 race today and I really enjoyed the different strategies. The front runners did very well and it was good to see Verstappen being cool and calm and eventually grab his 8 win of the season.

[A3]

What's your deal? lol

 

All I'm saying that all this hyping on this forum will backfire in the end, when guys like Lars are over enthusiastic. It'll probably result in a closed topic.

[zanquis]

I think Max is showing a high level of maturity these sessions. He noticed what to work on in free practice and used it too much success in Q1, he was not faster at just the right time as wet Q often is, he was faster constantly. It had nothing to do with tactics of Ocon of conserving tires as Ocon did even more laps. It was all about as Max said, minimizing wheelspin. And during the race he did not push hard chasing Fuoco as he realized the conditions on track where too risky and more likely that he would lose instead of win. Same when he was overtaken by the wettires. Just waiting for the right time. Back in the lead he did not push out faster laps till later, waiting for the track to dry more so he could push with better tires.

[sopa]

Yes nothing wrong with those two but i'm talking higher than them, another notch up from that level.

 

Another level would be once-in-a-generation kind of talent, which appears only once in 10, 15, 20 years. It is sort of hard to blame Red Bull for not getting that one, because such species are very rare findings and Red Bull's junior programme has barely lasted long enough to get that one! If we are looking at drivers, who have debuted post-Hamilton, then Vettel (late 2007) and Ricciardo (2011) are absolutely at the top of the list among them.

[lars75]

All I'm saying that all this hyping on this forum will backfire in the end, when guys like Lars are over enthusiastic. It'll probably result in a closed topic.

 

I'm not over enthusiastic. I think he will make it to F1 at some point, maybe 2015 or else the years to come. But what i'm saying is that it doesn't help anyone to say it's to quick. When it's to quick the people surrounding him wil not lift him in to F1 in 2015. If they do so, he is ready and he will be prepared! Further more I rather look at Kimi Raikkonen for example then to a career like Scott Speed or someone like that. 

 

As the man that was hanging next to Brian was singing "Always look on the bright side of life!"

[sopa]

I'm not over enthusiastic. I think he will make it to F1 at some point, maybe 2015 or else the years to come. But what i'm saying is that it doesn't help anyone to say it's to quick. When it's to quick the people surrounding him wil not lift him in to F1 in 2015. If they do so, he is ready and he will be prepared! Further more I rather look at Kimi Raikkonen for example then to a career like Scott Speed or someone like that. 

 

As the man that was hanging next to Brian was singing "Always look on the bright side of life!"

 

Well, you are right about one thing. If Toro Rosso really does put Verstappen into its F1 race seat for 2015, then they must have at least some belief that he wouldn't be completely out of his depth. And before the decision he will most probably have an F1 test somewhere in winter where it will be evaluated whether he could possibly be ready or not.

 

But there is no reason to get ahead of ourselves now, let's see what the future brings.

[Juan Kerr]

Another level would be once-in-a-generation kind of talent, which appears only once in 10, 15, 20 years. It is sort of hard to blame Red Bull for not getting that one, because such species are very rare findings and Red Bull's junior programme has barely lasted long enough to get that one! If we are looking at drivers, who have debuted post-Hamilton, then Vettel (late 2007) and Ricciardo (2011) are absolutely at the top of the list among them.

I do agree with you actually, every time a driver like Max comes along though there's always that chance one of these super-aliens comes along and if he's not one that's fine but we always knew Ricciardo, Vettel et al were just mere aliens, perhaps Max is not even gonna be at their level but my point is we can quantify them but cannot fully quantify Verstappen yet so drivers like that need to be thrown forward past a predictably natural level not held back at that level.
Judging by his driving style and on-edge car preference the only car I'd like to see him drive is an F1 and I would like to see what he can do off his raw talent not all wrapped in cotton wool and watered down, that part will come anyway regardless of what path he takes.

[rsaca]

Great race 1 by Max at the Nurgburgring. He really drives very mature, doesn't get desperate to overtake, very cool, calm and collected.

 

It's crazy to think last year he was driving KZ karts. He looks like he has been driving the F3 car for years.

[JeePee]

New rumor: Max Verstappen to drive a few Free Practice sessions THIS year with Torro Rosso.

I believe it comes from Motorsport-Total, a different source as the 'he will drive for STR next year'.

[TheRacingElf]

There are more and more rumours something about Max' future is going to be announced today, will it really be the Toro Rosso seat for 2015?

[MikeV1987]

red bull wanted him bad

[Max!]

New rumor: Max Verstappen to drive a few Free Practice sessions THIS year with Torro Rosso.

I believe it comes from Motorsport-Total, a different source as the 'he will drive for STR next year'.

Without a FIA super license you can't participate in free practice. 

 

As Max doesn't qualify for any of the normal requirements for a super license he would need to be considered 'exceptional' by the FIA AND show that he has driven more than 300 kilometers in a F1 car at racing speed. I don't think there are any opportunities left this season to get that mileage.

[Bleu]

Is there actually rule about driving license? Because I would find it little bit odd that driver can drive in F1 but not in normal roads (which in most countries can happen at 18)

[Arundo]

I have been skeptical about the move to F1 in 2015 by Verstappen but seeing the news on the internet the last days and the two annoucements just a few minutes ago starts to make me wonder.

 

First the Verstappen site post a news item about the program on the Austrian TV with Helmut Marko and an item about Max Verstappen. Which is normal if you just joined the Redbull program. But then Redbull NL tweets about "BIG NEWS!!!" a few minutes later. Wonder what will be announced on the Austrian TV.

 

Someone here mentioned Ricciardo was announced on the same program last year ?

Edited by Arundo, 18 August 2014 - 17:19.

[lars75]

Without a FIA super license you can't participate in free practice. 

 

As Max doesn't qualify for any of the normal requirements for a super license he would need to be considered 'exceptional' by the FIA AND show that he has driven more than 300 kilometers in a F1 car at racing speed. I don't think there are any opportunities left this season to get that mileage.

 

Without a FIA super license you can't participate in free practice. 

 

As Max doesn't qualify for any of the normal requirements for a super license he would need to be considered 'exceptional' by the FIA AND show that he has driven more than 300 kilometers in a F1 car at racing speed. I don't think there are any opportunities left this season to get that mileage.

 

Well I think the outstanding results, wins and podiums isn't to debate.

But he has one month from now to do some millage in a F1 car, maybe he does it as we speak 

He can take a last years F1 car and drive it arround the RedBull ring for 2 days to do the needed 300km.

 

I think a FIA super license is the least of their problems!

[lars75]

Is there actually rule about driving license? Because I would find it little bit odd that driver can drive in F1 but not in normal roads (which in most countries can happen at 18)

 

No you need a driver license to drive a car in public streets. A racetrack is no public street (at the time of races) and therefor you don't need a driver license.

[TheRacingElf]

Red Bull is announcing BIG NEWS to come at 21.30

I was sceptical aswell at first but this can't be anything else than a F1 seat, can it?

[lars75]

Red Bull is announcing BIG NEWS to come at 21.30

I was sceptical aswell at first but this can't be anything else than a F1 seat, can it?

 

Even when they anounce that Max will drive the STR in 2015, there will be a long route to walk for them!

[TheRacingElf]

Even when they anounce that Max will drive the STR in 2015, there will be a long route to walk for them!

I bet there will, I think it is a bit to early to be honest but if they think it's possible I have trust in the decision

I also think if this is the announcement for the STR seat in 2015 it is a bit early in the season, but let's wait and see

[zanquis]

Verstappen twitter is announcing the max wil be on Austrian TV. It makes all the rumors more likely to come true.

[Max!]

Well I think the outstanding results, wins and podiums isn't to debate.

But he has one month from now to do some millage in a F1 car, maybe he does it as we speak 

He can take a last years F1 car and drive it arround the RedBull ring for 2 days to do the needed 300km.

 

I think a FIA super license is the least of their problems!

No team is allowed to drive a 2013 car outside of the designated test days, let alone a 2014 car and the FIA demands for a super license are that you made these kilometers in a 'current car' (which is defined as either a 2013 or 2014 car for this season) so it's a real problem.

[Arundo]

What about a 2012 car ? Problem solved !

[lars75]

No team is allowed to drive a 2013 car outside of the designated test days, let alone a 2014 car and the FIA demands for a super license are that you made these kilometers in a 'current car' (which is defined as either a 2013 or 2014 car for this season) so it's a real problem.

 

I think there are some ways for them to let him make the wanted millage for his Super License, as Sauber tried to do for Sirotkin last year in a Ferrari on Maranello.

[zanquis]

Last year they arrenged a test in a 2 year old TR to qualify for the Super license. no problem for RB they have plenty old cars available.

[Sennasational]

Well I think the outstanding results, wins and podiums isn't to debate.

But he has one month from now to do some millage in a F1 car, maybe he does it as we speak 

He can take a last years F1 car and drive it arround the RedBull ring for 2 days to do the needed 300km.

 

I think a FIA super license is the least of their problems!

 

I don't really know who Max Verstappen is, because I don't really follow the feeder series anymore with many of them seemingly irrelevent. But I have taken the time to look into this thread and catch up (somewhat) with the potential future F1 drivers. All I can say is, I'm impressed by your dedication to this driver. Your fondness for him clearly transcends fan level. I don't see such absolute dedication for individuals in even the F1 driver threads, all this for a 16 year old kid whose future could arguably still go either way.

 

Talent isn't always enough, and regardless of talent, driving in F1 at 16 or 17 years of age is a ludicrous idea which for me ruins the ideals of the sport to an extent. I have a certain level of respect and admiration for most Formula 1 drivers throughout history, simply for doing what they do, in what I'd like to imagine is a very challenging sport. Now, I have no problem recognizing potential talent, but if there are children doing it, even very talented children, I'm going to have difficulty taking the sport as seriously as I do. These are people who are legally classified as not being capable or responsible enough to drive a car on public roads, I just can't get my head around how they can be able to compete at the top tier of motorsport. For me, it detracts from Formula 1. If a kid can do it, how hard can it be?

 

There is a slight possibility I'm over simplifying things. I'm sure he's a very good driver, but...what's the rush?

[JeePee]

Marc Marquez isn't allowed to drive a motorcycle with more than 47 horsepower in the Netherlands, as he is legally classified as not being capable or responsible enought to drive such a bike on public roads.

He is a MotoGP World Champion winning 10 out of 11 races this year.

 

I get what you're saying, but I guess you just have to accept that Max isn't an ordinary child.

 

I'll already grab some popcorn for the Austrian show tonight. Can't wait!

Edited by JeePee, 18 August 2014 - 18:38.

[Arundo]

Da Costa throws something on the twitter fire aswell...

[JHSingo]

Interesting tweet from Antonio Felix da Costa. Could be related to Verstappen, or maybe something (or someone) else.

 

"I have a feeling some breaking news are coming tonight... will be fun to watch reactions"

[TheRacingElf]

Da Costa is replacing Verstappen at VAR?

[lars75]

I don't really know who Max Verstappen is, because I don't really follow the feeder series anymore with many of them seemingly irrelevent. But I have taken the time to look into this thread and catch up (somewhat) with the potential future F1 drivers. All I can say is, I'm impressed by your dedication to this driver. Your fondness for him clearly transcends fan level. I don't see such absolute dedication for individuals in even the F1 driver threads, all this for a 16 year old kid whose future could arguably still go either way.

 

Talent isn't always enough, and regardless of talent, driving in F1 at 16 or 17 years of age is a ludicrous idea which for me ruins the ideals of the sport to an extent. I have a certain level of respect and admiration for most Formula 1 drivers throughout history, simply for doing what they do, in what I'd like to imagine is a very challenging sport. Now, I have no problem recognizing potential talent, but if there are children doing it, even very talented children, I'm going to have difficulty taking the sport as seriously as I do. These are people who are legally classified as not being capable or responsible enough to drive a car on public roads, I just can't get my head around how they can be able to compete at the top tier of motorsport. For me, it detracts from Formula 1. If a kid can do it, how hard can it be?

 

There is a slight possibility I'm over simplifying things. I'm sure he's a very good driver, but...what's the rush?

 

I think it's funny that you pick me, because at all times I said that we will see what the future holds for Max. But when the people surrounding Max think he's ready, who am I to argue with them?!

 

And i'm no fan off nobody a prefer some type of drivers and Max his father is one of that kind. So I followed Jos (as Dutch driver) after his F1 career and therefor I followed Max as well from 2007 up untill now. And from the races I saw and the comments I read, new that what he was doing was exceptional. Even when he promoted to WSK, the things he did were insain. And last years testing in FR2.0 en F3 was impressiv, just like his performance in FWS. And if you don't see it now after his F3 campaign this year, you will find out soon enough I think. Because this kid is exceptional and everybody involved in carracing inside and outside the Netherlands sees it and excepts it!

 

It's not that I'm the onlyone who sees it. 

 

And he could be racing F1 next year, WSR3.5 or GP2. It doesn't mather to me, he will be in F1 some time I'm sure.

 

But when they deside it will be in 2015, I think they thought it through and he will be ready.

 

I really think this kid is good, as I think of Ocon, Frijns, Vandoorne, Sainz jr, Kvyat, Gasly, Rowland and so on and so on. And the reason why I just post in this topic is that I prefer to debate on Dutch webpages, talking about F1 and carracing in general as about all kind of drivers Dutch and non Dutch.

[lars75]

"If a kid can do it, how hard can it be?

 

Give it a try, maybe you respect a 17 year old more after you driven the car to pieces! 

Edited by lars75, 18 August 2014 - 18:49.

[D.M.N.]

The rumour (not confirmed) - Vergne out at Toro Rosso. Verstappen in - https://twitter.com/...440126309122049

[JHSingo]

The rumour (not confirmed) - Vergne out at Toro Rosso. Verstappen in - https://twitter.com/...440126309122049

 

Vergne out I guess is fair enough, but poor Carlos Sainz Jr...

 

On Vergne, when he was in British F3 and WSR I was convinced he would be the next big thing. Funny how things end up.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

At least on the timing tower they can keep the 3 letters to signify who the driver is as VER (ok, so that's coincidence but hey ho, but that hasn't happened before)

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 18 August 2014 - 18:53.

[TheRacingElf]

The rumour (not confirmed) - Vergne out at Toro Rosso. Verstappen in - https://twitter.com/...440126309122049

Wait for this weekend?! as there is #belgiangp..

 

seriously that can't be true

[D.M.N.]

It looks like the answer is yes. Continue discussion here... http://forums.autosp...o-from-belgium/