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[JeordieX]

Ok so I'm aware Schumacher came back for three seasons, include him his second era in your list if you wish.

 

Mine:

1. Sebastian Vettel - four world titles, none of them with team mate finishing second.

2. Fernando Alonso - came very close to winning 10' and '12 titles.

3. Lewis Hamilton - always fast, previously been crash prone. 

4. Robert Kubica - very impressive '08 and '10 seasons with slower car and would have improved.

5. Kimi Raikkonen - title winner, consistent but had very off '08 and '09 seasons.

6. Jenson Button - Held his own against team mate, beat him with impressive '11 season.

7. Mark Webber - Could have been '10 champion, three times 3rd in championship.

8. Felipe Massa - excellent '07 and '08 seasons, injury held him back.

9. Nico Rosberg - regular points scorer, heldhis own against team mate in '13.

10. Nick Heidfeld - very underrated, regular podiums and very good '07 season.

 

Honourable Mentions - Rubens Barrichello, Romain Grosjean & Nico Hulkenberg

 

Sadly I feel this era of Formula One would have been even more competitive without injuries to Robert Kubica and Felipe Massa.

Edited by JeordieX, 26 November 2013 - 09:29.

[DutchQuicksilver]

Raikkonen with a World Title and several wins to his name. Kubica active for four seasons, with one lucky win under his belt, yet you place him higher?

[pacificquay]

Similarly Button.

[Kingshark]

I would say that the "post-Schumacher era" was 2005-present rather than 2007-present, because otherwise 2010-2012 don't count either since Schumi participated.

 

Rating the drivers based a combination of both success and talent, I would put them like this;

 

1. Vettel

2. Alonso

3. Hamilton

4. Raikkonen

5. Button

6. Rosberg

7. Kubica

8. Massa

9. Webber

10. Heidfeld

Edited by Kingshark, 24 November 2013 - 21:16.

[Amin]

1. Sebastian Vettel

2. Fernando Alonso

3. Lewis Hamilton

4. Kimi Raikkonen

5. Jenson Button

6. Mark Webber

7. Nico Rosberg

8. Felipe Massa

9. Robert Kubica

10. Rubens Barrichello 

[Jejking]

I would say that the "post-Schumacher era" was 2005-present rather than 2007-present, because otherwise 2010-2012 don't count either since Schumi participated.

 

Rating the drivers based a combination of both success and talent, I would put them like this;

 

1. Vettel

2. Alonso

3. Hamilton

4. Raikkonen

5. Button

6. Rosberg

7. Kubica

8. Massa

9. Webber

10. Heidfeld

Although your top ten is not debatable (opinion), I have to say I strongly disagree with your comment on post-MSC era. Kubica stepped in at the end of 2006, while Hamilton and Vettel entered in 2007. Also Rosberg is on the edge of post-MSC era, debuting in 06.

[BenettonB192]

1. Vettel

2. Hamilton*

3. Alonso*

4. Raikkonen

5. Button

6. Massa

7. Webber

8. Rosberg

9. Kubica

10. Heidfeld

 

* both switched if we count from 2005 as one poster suggested.

Tho 2007 makes more sense to me since Schumacher was still very competitive in 2006 and came close to win his 8th title.

My rating of Massa ahead of Webber is debatable but ultimately i think Massa made a bigger impact on the history books driving for Ferrari and coming so close to winning a championship.

[DanardiF1]

Races won from 2007 to now.

 

1. Sebastian Vettel - 39

2. Lewis Hamilton - 22

3. Fernando Alonso - 17

4. Jenson Button - 14

5. Kimi Raikkonen - 11

6. Mark Webber - 9

7. Felipe Massa - 9

8. Nico Rosberg - 3

9. Rubens Barrichello - 2

10. Robert Kubica - 1

12. Heikki Kovalainen - 1

 

Pastor Maldonado - 1 - I'm not counting him though as this win is so obviously anomalous to the rest of his F1 career so far as to make it a fluke.

 

Otherwise that list kind of sums it up for me. All those drivers competed in multiple seasons in that time frame, all had enough decent chances to win the races they did, and there aren't many others who did.

 

Honourable mentions go to:

 

Michael Schumacher himself - going by how Rosberg has competed with Hamilton this season, Michael drove bloody well in his comeback years. Finally getting onto the podium at Valencia last year was deserved, and his drive in Canada 2011 was one of his best IMO.

 

Nico Hulkenberg - Has shown enough to be considered as good as any of the winners list, it's just a matter of right time right place now.

 

Romain Grosjean - Ditto.

Edited by DanardiF1, 25 November 2013 - 00:03.

[Bawdy]

1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Kimi Raikkonen
4. Lewis Hamilton
5. Jenson Button
6. Felipe Massa (07-09 were very good for him)
7. Nico Rosberg
8. Robert Kubica
9. MSC himself (I think overall his comeback was succesful, being away for 3 years and being in his 40s, regularly matching Rosberg who has since matched Lewis)
10. Mark Webber

[Atreiu]

01 - Vettel

02 - Hamilton

03 - Alonso

04 - Button

05 - Raikkonen

06 - Kubica

07 - Webber

08 - Hulkenberg

09 - Grosjean

10 - Massa

 

Barrichello, Kovalainen, Maldonado, Kobayashi, Schumacher himself, Heidfeld, Rosberg have also been good and relevant, just not top ten material even if they might have had terrific moments here and there. Di Resta can be mentioned and Ricciardo has the chance of a lifetime next year, but they do need some more before they leave as also rans.

[sennafan24]

You killing me with this question.

 

1. Alonso

2. Seb

3. Lewis

4. Kimi

5. Jenson

6.Kubica

7. Massa

8. Webber

9. Rosberg

10. Hulk

 

Right.

 

I have ranked Alonso above Seb due to the timeframe, I think Alonso has been a tad better than Seb in that period of time. Alonso in 2010 was a tad better, and 2012 he was modestly better in my book. 2013, yes Seb was better, 2011 I find impossible to quantify either way due to the car differential. Same rule applies for 2007/2008, I know that is a bit of a cop out.

 

The only thing in those two years is that Seb had a cracking 2008 relative to his experience and car, but Alonso was very strong in 2008 with what he had. 2009, well Seb could have won the title but made mistakes (I felt he might have had the best car over the whole year, he was a unpolished diamond in many ways), Alonso was again in never never land. 

 

I know there is a double standard of, well Alonso made mistakes that also cost him WDC's but I am just suggesting why over the years put forward why I am plumping for Alonso. I think he has been overall a tad better. I expect Seb will pass Alonso in my general estimation in the next few years, he has so many years to play with and continues to improve. He might be as good as Alonso has even been right now, but I just feel Alonso pips him in the timeframe given.

Edited by sennafan24, 25 November 2013 - 01:20.

[Kobasmashi]

01 - Vettel

02 - Hamilton

03 - Alonso

04 - Button

05 - Raikkonen

06 - Kubica

07 - Webber

08 - Hulkenberg

09 - Grosjean

10 - Massa

 

Barrichello, Kovalainen, Maldonado, Kobayashi, Schumacher himself, Heidfeld, Rosberg have also been good and relevant, just not top ten material even if they might have had terrific moments here and there. Di Resta can be mentioned and Ricciardo has the chance of a lifetime next year, but they do need some more before they leave as also rans.

I'm not too sure I agree with all those choices. I'm surprised you'd include Webber and Massa but not Rosberg. Plus Grosjean has only really been top class for half a season (he's always been quick, but he's only just started banking his results consistently).

[bourbon]

01 - Vettel

02 - Raikkonen

03 - Hamilton

04 - Alonso

05 - Button

06 - Montoya

07 - Massa

08 - Kubica

09 - Webber

10 - Rosberg

[sennafan24]

01 - Vettel

02 - Raikkonen

03 - Hamilton

04 - Alonso

05 - Button

06 - Montoya

07 - Massa

08 - Kubica

09 - Webber

10 - Rosberg

Montoya left in 2006 man, easy mistake to make.

 

Can I ask why Kimi is above Alonso please, legit interested?

[chunder27]

1 Alonso

2 Hamilton

3 Vettel

4 Kubica

5 Raikkonen

6 Webber

7 Button

8 Barrichello

9 Heidfeld

10 Kobayashi

[Atreiu]

I'm not too sure I agree with all those choices. I'm surprised you'd include Webber and Massa but not Rosberg. Plus Grosjean has only really been top class for half a season (he's always been quick, but he's only just started banking his results consistently).

 

Webber and Massa made much stronger impressions in WDC battles. Massa came as close as possible, Webber just needed there to be a single less race in 2010. And their collection of wins and podiums easily trumps Rosberg. Granted Rosberg had much worse cars through these years, but it is very hard to remember races in which he was actually spectacular and finished above where it was expected. He just about shows where the car belongs on the grid.

 

Of course he is fast and talented, but there are reasons to why Mercedes went after LH instead of any other younger driver who could be developped.

 

Anyhow, it just my opinion. He didn't make the top ten, but he did better against LH than I expected. Maybe next year he can surprise me again.

 

As for Grosjean, he is a much better driver now than he had ever been. Perhaps I was too impressed by his most recent form. But anyone who keeps Kimi honest deserves a lot of credit.

Edited by Atreiu, 25 November 2013 - 02:49.

[2020]

Alonso

Hamilton

Vettel

Kimi

Button

 

Vettel is the most successful of the era, but that is very different to the best.

[dreamer]

2007-2013

1. Sebastian Vettel (4 world titles)

2. Kimi Raikkonen (1 world title, a succesfull come back, many points and podiums)

3. Fernando Alonso (No title but great and stable racing ... many points and podiums)

4. Lewis Hamilton (1 world title, fast... but too many mistakes during some seasons)

5. Jenson Button (1 world title but many ups and downs)

6. Nico Rosberg (Very good driving which resulted to wins the last 2 seasons and he still improving)

7. Mark Webber (Strong 2010 season, many podiums.... really unlucky)

8. Felipe Massa (Strong 2008 season, podiums, wins but many mistakes the last few seasons) 

9. Robert Kubica (A good driver, he could have achieved much more than one win)

10. Nico Hulkenberg (Talented, I believe a win or a podium isn't far away)

Edited by dreamer, 25 November 2013 - 08:27.

[FullThrottleF1]

1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Raikonnen
5. Button
6. Massa
7. Webber
8. Rosberg
9. Kubica
10. Hulkenberg

[trogggy]

2007-2013

1.  Alonso / Vettel

3.  Kimi

4.  Hamilton

5.  Button

6.  Massa / Webber

8.  Rosberg / Kubica

10.Too many candidates, too poor a memory.

[Zoetrope]

 

As for Grosjean, he is a much better driver now than he had ever been. Perhaps I was too impressed by his most recent form. But anyone who keeps Kimi honest deserves a lot of credit.

Rosberg keeps Hamilton honest too and he actually beat Schumacher over 3 years. If you include Kubica for pure talent and not the success (only 1 win), you surely should consider Rosberg over Grosjean. Besides, with all my symphaty to Grosjean, he wasn't really keeping Kimi honest untill last few races.

[Kobasmashi]

Montoya left in 2006 man, easy mistake to make.

Can I ask why Kimi is above Alonso please, legit interested?

I can't see bourbon ever putting Kimi lower than second in any ranking ever. Alonso and Hamilton have surely been comfortably better.

[PayasYouRace]

 

Nico Hulkenberg - Has shown enough to be considered as good as any of the winners list, it's just a matter of right time right place now.

 

Romain Grosjean - Ditto.

 

They will perhaps be a couple of the stars of the post-Webber era.

[Radion]

I can't see bourbon ever putting Kimi lower than second in any ranking ever. Alonso and Hamilton have surely been comfortably better.

Comfortably?!

[MortenF1]

1. Alonso/Hamilton

3. Räikkönen/Vettel

5. Rosberg/Webber/Button/Grosjean/Kubica

10. Trulli 

[HeidfeldsBeard]

Last year I would have had Alonso and Hamilton ahead of Vettel but I can't really justify that now

 

1. Vettel

2. Alonso

3. Hamilton

4. Raikkonen

5. Webber

6. Button

7. Rosberg

8. Grosjean

9. Kubica

10. Heidfeld/Hulkenberg/Barrichello/Michael Schumacher 2.0 - all of these I believe have a case to squeeze into the top 10.

[Domi]

My list is based on skill/talent, not on wins and statistics , so:

 

1. Alonso

Vettel

Kubica

Hamilton

 

5.

Raikkonen

Rosberg

 

7.Webber

8. Massa

9. Button

10.  Hulkenberg ( i can't still fully rate him so ... )

[thuGG]

Group 1: Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Raikkonen, Kubica

Group 2: Rosberg, Button, Webber, Hulkenberg, Gosjean

[Skinnyguy]

I will just bother with the current top drivers. I think best thing would be to average the performance in these seasons, leaving aside those too hard to rate or those where they didn´t race.

 

2007: Räikkönen 9 Alonso 8 Hamilton 8 Vettel -

2008: Hamilton 8 Alonso 7 Vettel 7 Räikkönen 4

2009: Vettel 8 Hamilton 7 Räikkönen 7 Alonso 5

2010: Alonso 9 Vettel 9 Hamilton 9 Räikkönen -

2011: Vettel 10 Alonso 9 Hamilton 4 Räikkönen-

2012: Alonso 10 Vettel 9 Hamilton 9 Räikkönen 8

2013: Vettel 10 Alonso 8 Räikkönen 8 Hamilton 6

 

That averages:

 

1) Vettel 8´8

2) Alonso 8´0

3) Hamilton 7´2

4) Räikkönen 7´2

 

So that´s how the post Schumacher picture looks for me between the top guys.

[Force Ten]

5. Rosberg/Webber/Button/Grosjean/Kubica

 

Posts like this always make me smile. Since 2007 Button has been on level with Grosjean. Why not add Maldonaldo there too?

[HammyHamiltonFan]

Ok so I'm aware Schumacher came back for three seasons, include him his second era in your list if you wish.

 

Mine:

1. Sebastian Vettel

2. Fernando Alonso

3. Lewis Hamilton

4. Robert Kubica

5. Kimi Raikkonen

6. Jenson Button

7. Mark Webber

8. Felipe Massa

9. Nico Rosberg

10. Nick Heidfeld

 

Honourable Mentions - Rubens Barrichello, Romain Grosjean & Nico Hulkenberg

 

1. Fernando Alonso
2. Lewis Hamilton
3. Jenson Button
4. Kimi Raikkonen 
5. Sebastien Vettel

6. Mark Webber
7. Nico Rosberg
8. Robert Kubica
9. Fellipe Massa
10. Nico Hulkenberg

[Coral]

1. Fernando Alonso

2. Sebastian Vettel

3. Lewis Hamilton

4. Kimi Raikkonen

5. Nico Rosberg

6. Robert Kubica

7. Jenson Button

8. Nico Hulkenberg

9. Felipe Massa

10. Mark Webber

[sennafan24]

I will just bother with the current top drivers. I think best thing would be to average the performance in these seasons, leaving aside those too hard to rate or those where they didn´t race.

 

2007: Räikkönen 9 Alonso 8 Hamilton 8 Vettel -

2008: Hamilton 8 Alonso 7 Vettel 7 Räikkönen 4

2009: Vettel 8 Hamilton 7 Räikkönen 7 Alonso 5

2010: Alonso 9 Vettel 9 Hamilton 9 Räikkönen -

2011: Vettel 10 Alonso 9 Hamilton 4 Räikkönen-

2012: Alonso 10 Vettel 9 Hamilton 9 Räikkönen 8

2013: Vettel 10 Alonso 8 Räikkönen 8 Hamilton 6

 

That averages:

 

1) Vettel 8´8

2) Alonso 8´0

3) Hamilton 7´2

4) Räikkönen 7´2

 

So that´s how the post Schumacher picture looks for me between the top guys.

I would say they are fair ratings for the most part

 

But I think you have been harsh on 2009 for Alonso, and kind to Kimi for this year.

[Balnazzard]

I would say they are fair ratings for the most part

 

But I think you have been harsh on 2009 for Alonso, and kind to Kimi for this year.

Well 2009 Alonso did nothing spectacular...sure the Renault was propably the worst car he had driven since 2001 and his debute in Minardi, but still, I cant see how Alonso would deserve more than 8 from that season...As for Kimi you dont seem to remember that after Massa got injured in Hungary, from that point on to the end of the season Kimi scored more points than anyone else (except for Ham who got scored 2 points more)....and if you remember how crappy that 2009 Ferrari was ( FAR worse than any Ferrari Alonso has driven), then I would even say that Kimi would have deserved 9, but sure the first half of his season was weaker....but it's funny how people have selective memory cause no-one seems to remember how brilliant Kimi was when after Massa's injury the team finally seemed to listen what he wanted from the car.

Edited by Balnazzard, 25 November 2013 - 19:54.

[sennafan24]

Well 2009 Alonso did nothing spectacular...sure the Renault was propably the worst car he had driven since 2001 and his debute in Minardi, but still, I cant see how Alonso would deserve more than 8 from that season...As for Kimi you dont seem to remember that after Massa got injured in Hungary, from that point on to the end of the season Kimi scored more points than anyone else (except for Ham who got scored 2 points more)....and if you remember how crappy that 2009 Ferrari was ( FAR worse than any Ferrari Alonso has driven), then I would even say that Kimi would have deserved 9, but sure the first half of his season was weaker....but it's funny how people have selective memory cause no-one seems to remember how brilliant Kimi was when after Massa's injury the team finally seemed to listen what he wanted from the car.

I said Kimi for 2013. I agree with your analysis of Kimi in 2009.

 

A dispute Alonso getting a 5 for 2009, I am not saying he should get a 9 or 10, but a 7 or 8 would be more fair in my opinion.

[Balnazzard]

I said Kimi for 2013. I agree with your analysis of Kimi in 2009.

 

A dispute Alonso getting a 5 for 2009, I am not saying he should get a 9 or 10, but a 7 or 8 would be more fair in my opinion.

Ah yes, my bad I looked at the wrong row of numbers xD....but ye, 5 is bit too harsh, I would have given 7 for Alonso and 8 for Kimi from 2009 season.

 

I just hope that next year we could give both of them atleast 9/10....even though Im hoping to see Kimi beating Alonso, I still would love to see tight battle, it would be darn shame if either of them wouldnt be on their top form

[Kobasmashi]

Comfortably?!

Yeah I'd say so. He was poor in 2008 and out of the sport for 2 seasons too. Hamilton and Alonso matched him in 2007 and were spectacular in 2012 whilst Kimi was good but not stunning. Kimi is still quite a way ahead of Button whom I'd place 5th, but I think talking about 07-13 he's not up with Lewis, Fred and Seb. If the list took in Kimi's 03-06 seasons I could place him in the top nigh-on inseparable group with the other 3 guys.

[senna da silva]

1.

Alonso

Vettel

Hamilton

 

4.

Raikkonen

Rosberg

Schumacher

Kubica

 

8. Button

9. Webber

10. Massa

[noikeee]

1. Alonso

2. Vettel

3. Hamilton

4. Raikkonen

5. Button

6. Kubica

7. Webber

8. Massa

9. Rosberg

10. Barrichello (I'm very reluctant here, but he did come close-ish to a title)

[Balnazzard]

Yeah I'd say so. He was poor in 2008 and out of the sport for 2 seasons too. Hamilton and Alonso matched him in 2007 and were spectacular in 2012 whilst Kimi was good but not stunning. Kimi is still quite a way ahead of Button whom I'd place 5th, but I think talking about 07-13 he's not up with Lewis, Fred and Seb. If the list took in Kimi's 03-06 seasons I could place him in the top nigh-on inseparable group with the other 3 guys.

Seriously?.....Cause I say he is RIGHT there with Vettel, Alonso and Ham...I mean if we look his final place in WDC from 2007 onwards....1st in 2007, 3rd in 2008, 6th in 2009 (finishing just 1 point behind Lewis, both Ferrari and Mclaren sucked that year), 3rd in 2012 and most likely would have finished atleast 4th ahead of Ham this year had he driven the last two races....

 

Again for me it's absolutely ridicilous how many ppl seem to downgrade Kimi, that he is not up there among Vettel, Alonso and Ham....sure Kimi is not the fastest driver on single lap ( but neither is Alonso), but his strenght is similar to Alonso's, really good on race day itself and very, VERY consistent....well actually the most consistent driver if we what record he broke this year. But I really hope that 2014 will finally put end to this debate, one way or another....sure if Kimi fails to deliver compared to Alonso (and I mean not because of any technical difficulties, but simply lacking pace compared to Spaniard), then I will eat my words...but just as much I expect ppl who imo downgrade Kimi to eat theirs if Kimi finishes ahead of Alonso in WDC or (as I suspect) they'll end up scoring almost equal amount of points.

[Skinnyguy]

I don´t think either Kimi or Alonso deserve any better than that in 2009. But it´s impossible to agree on everything.

[sennafan24]

 But it´s impossible to agree on everything.

Indeed, which is what makes these threads so interesting 

[Raziel]

1. Vettel

2. Alonso

3. Hamilton

4. Raikkonen

 

That´s enough...

[paipa]

1. Vettel / Alonso --- Just to make my list look sensible

3. Hamilton / Raikkönen --- You think you're gonna tell your grandkids about them. If they're born in the next fifteen years, you probably will

5. Button --- Because hey-he-won-a-WDC-you-have-to-put-him-in-5th

6. Kubica --- Because I couldn't stomach giving a Massa or Webber the last classic point scoring spot

7. Massa / Webber --- No way around this though, these guys somehow managed to win a good handful of races

9. Rosberg --- Unverified reports say this man saw Schumacher put on a helmet and sit back in an F1 car. Man claims he was even racing him

10. Hülkenberg --- I can't believe the post-Schumacher era had less than 10 important drivers, let's put some kid in here and hope he'll come good

[Radion]

Yeah I'd say so. He was poor in 2008 and out of the sport for 2 seasons too. Hamilton and Alonso matched him in 2007 and were spectacular in 2012 whilst Kimi was good but not stunning. Kimi is still quite a way ahead of Button whom I'd place 5th, but I think talking about 07-13 he's not up with Lewis, Fred and Seb. If the list took in Kimi's 03-06 seasons I could place him in the top nigh-on inseparable group with the other 3 guys.

No, Kimi matched them in 2007.

And 2012 was just 'good'?! The guy was away for two years, came back and fought at the front as if he has never been gone.

 

I also think his 09 season was better than hamilton's. Ferrari stoped developing the car around mid-season, yet he managed to win at spa and get several podium finishes after massa crashed. Whereas hamilton had the benefit of having a car that was still getting updates...

 

RAI is the most unterrated guy of the top 4 (VET, ALO, HAM, RAI). But what to expect, if hamilton and alonso are constantly praising each other as the gods of this sport and that only they can win in inferior machinary although Raikkonen won in the shittiest ferrari of the last decade...

[Kingshark]

RAI is the most unterrated guy of the top 4 (VET, ALO, HAM, RAI). But what to expect, if hamilton and alonso are constantly praising each other as the gods of this sport and that only they can win in inferior machinary although Raikkonen won in the shittiest ferrari of the last decade...

 

There's no good evidence to suggest that the F60 was any worse than the F150. Remember that if Massa did not crash in Hungary, Ferrari would have secured 3rd in the constructors championship very easily. Not a terrible car (though pretty bad by Ferrari standards).

[Skinnyguy]

There's no good evidence to suggest that the F60 was any worse than the F150. Remember that if Massa did not crash in Hungary, Ferrari would have secured 3rd in the constructors championship very easily. Not a terrible car (though pretty bad by Ferrari standards).

 

It was worse than Brawn, RB and a bit behind McLaren. And thank God Williams had Nakajima onboard because it could have been tight with a normal driver there   .

 

Of course it wasn´t "terrible", it was the 4th best car. But the 2011 car was better as it was the 3rd best car with 4th placed team nowhere near them.

[garoidb]

Ok so I'm aware Schumacher came back for three seasons, include him his second era in your list if you wish.

 

Mine:

1. Sebastian Vettel

2. Fernando Alonso

3. Lewis Hamilton

4. Robert Kubica

5. Kimi Raikkonen

6. Jenson Button

7. Mark Webber

8. Felipe Massa

9. Nico Rosberg

10. Nick Heidfeld

 

Honourable Mentions - Rubens Barrichello, Romain Grosjean & Nico Hulkenberg

 

There are overlapping eras. Alonso, Raikkonen, Button, Massa and Webber have had substantially overlapping careers, while Hamilton, Vettel, Kubica and Rosberg would represent another generation. Montoya would be another member of the first generation, now long gone from F1 of course. It is a bit artificial to pick 2007 as the starting point, just because of Schumacher's retirement. 

 

Of the first group, Alonso is pre-eminent, while Vettel obviously dominates the second group. 

[Boxerevo]

1 Alonso - Vettel

2 Hamilton - Raikkonen

3 Button - Rosberg - Kubica

4 Heidfeld - Webber - Massa

[Atreiu]

Rosberg keeps Hamilton honest too and he actually beat Schumacher over 3 years. If you include Kubica for pure talent and not the success (only 1 win), you surely should consider Rosberg over Grosjean. Besides, with all my symphaty to Grosjean, he wasn't really keeping Kimi honest untill last few races.

 

Well, yeah, maybe I could bump Grosjean for Rosberg, but it still remains that Rosberg only won the races which were wide open and never really took a car further than it should have been. Even in keeping Hamilton honest, all he could muster was 4 podiums, three poles and all those point finishes in which he basically slipped down the order and raced largely unnoticed. And one of his wins was inherited from both Hamilton and Vettel. Hardly something to write home about.

 

Call it a draw, but I think Grosjean has more potential.