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[tolissoff]

Hi fellahs.

I'm new to this forum. Hope to enjoy my stay.

Am wondering if anyone knows Barrie Baxter who built the Maserati 151 that ran at Goodwood in 2012.

I believe he is probably a US resident.

 

I am down the track to building a 151 and would like to touch base with him if he is a helpful fellow.

 

TonyO (in NZ)

[David McKinney]

He's a member of this forum, posting - though not for a while - as driverider

You can send him a private message (go to the Members' list, find driverider, and follow the instructions from there)

David McKinney (ex NZ)

[D-Type]

Beware!   See  this thread which features one probable fake, this other one which also appears somewhat suspect, and this one which may be the first one again.  All found by searching the TNF archive for "Maserati 151" and there are others.  I hope these give you a couple of leads.

 

There was also an Australian who built a Tipo 151 lookalike  on a fifties Ferrari chassis.

Edited by D-Type, 25 November 2013 - 20:21.

[tolissoff]

Thanks David,

Cheers Duncan.

Have sent off a message.

 

Indeed, the links to the supposed 151 replica can be a troubling view.

I think that if it was simply stated as a Maserati Special 'Race edition', it would be fine.

But basing it on a Mexico compromises things a little if pursuing a 151 intent.

For all that, I'd say it is probably a helluva lot of fun and may well go like a cut cat.

I hope that he enjoys gettingn plenty if enjoyment frorm it.

 

I've had a 4.9l V8, ZF transaxle and other bits filling a corner of my workshop for a while now and they really deserve 4 wheels to surround them.

Ripping the Indy to bits to make a race car didn't appeal, so,...........

...... start from scratch and enjoy the ride. Make a 151 both road and raceable will be the intent.

 

Appreciate the assistance guys.

I'll be sure to issue an update on progress from time to time.

TonyO

[D-Type]

Tony, if you were to read all the threads on here about replicas, re-creations, tribute cars and the like there is a consistent theme running through them. The consensus view is that there is no problem at all with people creating tribute cars, e.g. fibreglass bodied Rover-engined "Cobras".  There is no problem if someone produces a "toolroom copy", i.e. as accurate a reproduction as is physically possible, e.g. the Cameron Millar Maserati 250F re-creations, and identifies it as a copy.  But, and it is a big 'but', there is a major problem when the re-creator claims that it is an original car, finding a chassis number of a car that has disappeared or been destroyed.  I won't give examples because I don't have the specialist knowledge, but the Mexico-based car featured in my two links illustrates the potential problem when someone gives it a defunct chassis number.  There are also those cars that are "re-created around an original gear shift knob" like these Tipo 61s.

 

In your case I don't see any problem at all.  As you say, you wiil be producing a Maserati Special in the spirit of the Tipo 151 but will not be trying to claim it is a 151.  Hopefully you won't make the mistake of describing it as a 151 without qualification. 

 

Good luck with the project.  I can see you will be making regular visits to Aschaffenburg armed with camera and tape measure.  

 

As there are several 151 fans here, don't forget to keep us updated on your progress.  But be warned - if it's too slow you might find yourself being gently chivvied up.

Edited by D-Type, 26 November 2013 - 11:01.

[RA Historian]

.  But, and it is a big 'but', there is a major problem when the re-creator claims that it is an original car, finding a chassis number of a car that has disappeared or been destroyed.

Prime example at the moment. Rosso and Steele, who should know better, are offering a Maserati Tipo 61 for auction, claiming that it is chassis no. 2459. It is not. 2459 does not exist, having been scrapped following an almighty accident at Daytona in 1962. The car they are offering is a replica through and through. But the owner discovered that the number 2459 does not have a car attached, so he had a new car built around  the number.

Edited by RA Historian, 26 November 2013 - 14:22.

[JoBo]

Tony, if you were to read all the threads on here about replicas, re-creations, tribute cars and the like there is a consistent theme running through them. The consensus view is that there is no problem at all with people creating tribute cars, e.g. fibreglass bodied Rover-engined "Cobras".  There is no problem if someone produces a "toolroom copy", i.e. as accurate a reproduction as is physically possible, e.g. the Cameron Millar Maserati 250F re-creations, and identifies it as a copy.  But, and it is a big 'but', there is a major problem when the re-creator claims that it is an original car, finding a chassis number of a car that has disappeared or been destroyed.  I won't give examples because I don't have the specialist knowledge, but the Mexico-based car featured in my two links illustrates the potential problem when someone gives it a defunct chassis number.  There are also those cars that are "re-created around an original gear shift knob" like these Tipo 61s.

 

In your case I don't see any problem at all.  As you say, you wiil be producing a Maserati Special in the spirit of the Tipo 151 but will not be trying to claim it is a 151.  Hopefully you won't make the mistake of describing it as a 151 without qualification. 

 

Good luck with the project.  I can see you will be making regular visits to Aschaffenburg armed with camera and tape measure.  

 

As there are several 151 fans here, don't forget to keep us updated on your progress.  But be warned - if it's too slow you might find yourself being gently chivvied up.

 

 

 

 

According to my info there are absolutely NO cars in Aschaffenburg, Germany, anymore if you refer to the ex-Peter Kaus Collection.

 

JoBo

Edited by JoBo, 26 November 2013 - 16:31.

[D-Type]

Sorry, I didn't realise that the collection had been dispersed. 

[Tim Murray]

The fate of the Rosso Bianco museum was discussed in this earlier thread:

 

The biggest museum (Rosso Bianco)

[tolissoff]

Woo Hoo.

This is what I love about forums where the people have a little passion.

The knowledge is grand.

Good news so far is that Barrie forwarded my message to Steve Hart, who built the car.

Onward and upward from here.

Measuring up the original and inspecting the chassis would be great, and

 

My constructor insists that I have to be in the frame, working on the car also to share some knuckle skin and bleed a little over the skeleton.

Not a bad thing. Bleeding out of the back pocket can hurt more.

Hopefully my inclusion will assist and not hamper the timeline, but will keep you teased with progress.

 

Cheers and ciao

[RA Historian]

I may be wrong here, but I seem to recall that it was Steve Hart who built the replica Tipo 61 that is being pawned off as 2459. The blame most definitely is not that of Hart (if he indeed was the builder). The blame is with the fellow who commissioned Hart to built the replica. Hart has been very up front in stating that he built the car and that it is not 2459. It is the owner who claims the false identity and is trying to market it as such.

 

This illustrates an ongoing pitfall in the replica game. The car may very well be built and labeled for what it is, but down the line that distinction often is lost.

[tolissoff]

Completely agree.

Sometimes it seems that the third or fourth person owning it is the one making the claims.

Long and short, it is a venal and often dishonest world and we all suffer it.

 

However, making something beautiful, quirky, personal or passionate (or all of the above) does imbue the outcome with something akin to its own soul.

My attempt won't be a 'Tipo 151'.

It won't be a 'Maserati'.

It will be something (hopefully a lot) like it, for delicious pleasure and enjoyment.

Then for someone after who may choose to buy it, I'd hope it carries enough for the new owner to feel and value, that the car can stand on its own for what it is.

 

[JoBo]

Completely agree.

Sometimes it seems that the third or fourth person owning it is the one making the claims.

Long and short, it is a venal and often dishonest world and we all suffer it.

 

However, making something beautiful, quirky, personal or passionate (or all of the above) does imbue the outcome with something akin to its own soul.

My attempt won't be a 'Tipo 151'.

It won't be a 'Maserati'.

It will be something (hopefully a lot) like it, for delicious pleasure and enjoyment.

Then for someone after who may choose to buy it, I'd hope it carries enough for the new owner to feel and value, that the car can stand on its own for what it is.

 

 

Great! Then I assume you don`t want to use a Maserati-logo etc. on the car....

 

JoBo