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[Ncedi]

Sargeant will race with #2, previously used by Vandoorne.

Well that's sh*t....

I'll grab my coat...

[CoolBreeze]

I think this permanent number thing is a bit confusing. Should just make the cars have permanent numbers instead. 

[OvDrone]

This system is the only thing I am in full 100% agreement with the FIA.

[pacificquay]

Yeah the system is good.

 

It would be perfect if there was a small tweak mandating the champion to be number 1

[RedRabbit]

Yeah the system is good.

It would be perfect if there was a small tweak mandating the champion to be number 1

I'd like the top 3 in WDC to use 1,2,3 as recognition that it's an actual achievement.

[Beri]

I'd like the top 3 in WDC to use 1,2,3 as recognition that it's an actual achievement.

 

That is not an half assed idea to be fair..

[PayasYouRace]

CART and BTCC used to do that for the top 10 (CART was entrant rather than driver, but often matched up).

[Alan Lewis]

The British Hillclimb Championship has done it for decades for the top ten (possibly twelve these days).

[Collombin]

So did the AAA in championship racing, although it was not compulsory to adopt the number that had been earned.

[Clatter]

That is not an half assed idea to be fair..

 

Most drivers would probably hate it. I don't care what system they use, the numbers on the car don't add anything to the racing, and can barely be seen anyway. The only ones who gained are the drivers who can build a whole load of marketing based on it.

[RedRabbit]

Most drivers would probably hate it. I don't care what system they use, the numbers on the car don't add anything to the racing, and can barely be seen anyway. The only ones who gained are the drivers who can build a whole load of marketing based on it.

Which boils down to probably just one - VR46.

No other motorsports personality has really used their number in the same way.

[Heyli]

De Vries picked #21:

 

https://www.autospor...-list/10411699/

[PayasYouRace]

21 is quite a fresh number in terms of F1 associations, not really brought to prominence in either the team number system or the WCC system.

Unless I’m forgetting someone obvious, I can only really associate it with Dallara.

[Ivanhoe]

21 is quite a fresh number in terms of F1 associations, not really brought to prominence in either the team number system or the WCC system.

Unless I’m forgetting someone obvious, I can only really associate it with Dallara.

You forgot about your beloved Minardi!

[Frood]

Let's hope de Vries has a more auspicious career with #21 than its previous owner, Esteban Gutierrez...

[SpaceHorseParty]

Looks like Sargeant's number is 02, not 2. Will that be the first time a car number in F1 has a leading zero?

[PayasYouRace]

You forgot about your beloved Minardi!

My beloved Minardi were 23 & 24 in the team number days. Yeah sometimes they had 20 & 21 in the WCC number era, but not really a strong enough association.

[PayasYouRace]

Looks like Sargeant's number is 02, not 2. Will that be the first time a car number in F1 has a leading zero?

It’ll be 2 though, as F1 doesn’t do leading zeros. The stylistic choice of 02 for display is just that.

[SenorSjon]

21 is quite a fresh number in terms of F1 associations, not really brought to prominence in either the team number system or the WCC system.

Unless I’m forgetting someone obvious, I can only really associate it with Dallara.

Tsunoda has 22. Did De Vries pick the number for old times sake? Or the first available ending with 1 (1 is Verstappen and Perez is 11)

[Counterbalance]

If a driver is secure enough in themselves, who gives a toss what no. 1 means? True fans identify a driver by their number. Like red 5 is associated with Nigel Mansell. The list can go on…

[IrvTheSwerve]

It’ll be 2 though, as F1 doesn’t do leading zeros. The stylistic choice of 02 for display is just that.

Looking forward to LH running 0000044.

[IrvTheSwerve]

If Sargeant was being clever he could have run with 2!.

 

Or Zhou could run with 4!.

Edited by IrvTheSwerve, 16 December 2022 - 08:08.

[Bleu]

I tend to mark drivers in the notebook so I'm pretty happy with permanent driver numbers. Not much to think "what number does Perez have THIS season".

[WonderWoman61]

21 is quite a fresh number in terms of F1 associations, not really brought to prominence in either the team number system or the WCC system.
Unless I’m forgetting someone obvious, I can only really associate it with Dallara.

Frank Williams Racing Cars, Walter Wolf Racing, Fittipaldi, Spirit, Osella, BMS Scuderia Italia and Forti Corse.

Minardi on and off from 1996 to 2005.
Spyker/Force India 2007-2009
Finally Lotus/Caterham 2011-2013.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Frank Williams Racing Cars, Walter Wolf Racing, Fittipaldi, Spirit, Osella, BMS Scuderia Italia and Forti Corse.

Minardi on and off from 1996 to 2005.
Spyker/Force India 2007-2009
Finally Lotus/Caterham 2011-2013.

 

The majority of those teams kinda proves his point to be fair. 

[WonderWoman61]

The majority of those teams kinda proves his point to be fair. 

I know.

Just saying.

[Collective]

De Vries picked #21:

 

https://www.autospor...-list/10411699/

 

Obviously a tribute to the legendary Esteban Gutiérrez.

[sladealonso]

Frank Williams Racing Cars, Walter Wolf Racing, Fittipaldi, Spirit, Osella, BMS Scuderia Italia and Forti Corse.

Minardi on and off from 1996 to 2005.
Spyker/Force India 2007-2009
Finally Lotus/Caterham 2011-2013.

At least during that spell Minardi had a certain Fernando Alonso debut with the number 21.

 

De Vries will be debuting for the same Faenza outfit with the same number. Which is quite nice.

[Rob G]

On December 12, 2021, the number 2 was only represented by one car on the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix grid, Yuki Tsunoda's #22 Alpha Tauri. Just one year and three days later, over one-third of the cars on the grid are set to have a 2 in the number.

Edited by Rob G, 16 December 2022 - 22:34.

[messy]

#21 would usually be my second pick, behind #23. Then #2 probably in third. Choosing a number in the Codemasters F1 game just became pretty hard for me in 2023.

I generally associate the 21 with ‘second Minardi driver’, people like Gené, Mazzacane, Baumgartner, Friesacher. I thought Marquez too until I found out in this thread that it was actually Alonso who ran the ‘second number’ that year.

[RedRabbit]

I hadn't even noticed Tsunoda was #22. Which feels wrong somehow. In the age of permanent driver numbers, the world champion numbers should be retired when they do.

22 was Jenson Buttons number which he chose because his car was No. 22 in 2009. The last year of assigned numbers and also the year he won.

It would feel odd for another driver to pick 44 once Hamilton retires too.

[messy]

Latifi took over Rosberg’s #6 that he took to the title, too.

Thing is they become available after what, two seasons of inaction, and unless you start a rule that rubbish drivers aren’t allowed to pick good numbers or something, you can’t stop Sean Gelael picking #44 in 2028 or whatever at the moment. With all due respect to Jules Bianchi, I do think “retiring” say #44 for a while makes more sense than retiring #17 forever based on a driver using it for one season.

#2 Vandoorne, Sargeant
#4 Chilton, Norris
#6 Rosberg, Latifi
#9 Ericsson, Mazepin
#10 Kobayashi, Gasly
#21 Gutierrez, De Vries
#22 Button, Tsunoda
#88 Haryanto, Kubica
#99 Sutil, Giovinazzi

Quite a few numbers have been used by two different drivers already. Might be forgetting a couple.

[WonderWoman61]

#21 would usually be my second pick, behind #23. Then #2 probably in third. Choosing a number in the Codemasters F1 game just became pretty hard for me in 2023.
I generally associate the 21 with ‘second Minardi driver’, people like Gené, Mazzacane, Baumgartner, Friesacher. I thought Marquez too until I found out in this thread that it was actually Alonso who ran the ‘second number’ that year.

Albers was #21 in 2005.

[WonderWoman61]

I hadn't even noticed Tsunoda was #22. Which feels wrong somehow. In the age of permanent driver numbers, the world champion numbers should be retired when they do.
22 was Jenson Buttons number which he chose because his car was No. 22 in 2009. The last year of assigned numbers and also the year he won.
It would feel odd for another driver to pick 44 once Hamilton retires too.

2013 was the last year of assigned numbers.

(My 800th Post!)

[Bleu]

Latifi took over Rosberg’s #6 that he took to the title, too.

Thing is they become available after what, two seasons of inaction, and unless you start a rule that rubbish drivers aren’t allowed to pick good numbers or something, you can’t stop Sean Gelael picking #44 in 2028 or whatever at the moment. With all due respect to Jules Bianchi, I do think “retiring” say #44 for a while makes more sense than retiring #17 forever based on a driver using it for one season.

#2 Vandoorne, Sargeant
#4 Chilton, Norris
#6 Rosberg, Latifi
#9 Ericsson, Mazepin
#10 Kobayashi, Gasly
#21 Gutierrez, De Vries
#22 Button, Tsunoda
#88 Haryanto, Kubica
#99 Sutil, Giovinazzi

Quite a few numbers have been used by two different drivers already. Might be forgetting a couple.

 

#28 by Stevens and Hartley.

 

Interestingly so far only #6 and #22 are permanent driver numbers where two drivers have scored points. #2 can join the list next year.

 

Obviously since 2014 two drivers have raced and scored points in #1 as well as in #47 as it was McLaren reserve number when Vandoorne made a debut and scored one point, as did Mick Schumacher this year.

[messy]

I love this place, because someone will always be able to fill in the gaps in my own memory! This is the **** not even Wikipedia can tell you.

For some reason I’d erased Will Stevens from my memory completely. Having remembered Max Chilton, that’s quite something.

The team reserve numbers are interesting because although I remembered McLaren having 47 and Sauber having 36, I’m never really sure what those numbers are and whether they’re actually ‘assigned’ or just handed randomly when a team needs to put in a reserve driver at short notice. Hartley initially used 39 in 2017 then got to choose for his second race on. Williams used 40 when DiResta covered for Massa.

[PayasYouRace]

For some reason I’d erased Will Stevens from my memory completely. Having remembered Max Chilton, that’s quite something.
 

 

In my mind, they're the same person. In the same way that Jules Bianchi and Charles Leclerc are the same person, and Nick Heidfeld and Nico Hulkenberg are the same person.

[fridge46]

#21 would usually be my second pick, behind #23. Then #2 probably in third. Choosing a number in the Codemasters F1 game just became pretty hard for me in 2023.

I generally associate the 21 with ‘second Minardi driver’, people like Gené, Mazzacane, Baumgartner, Friesacher. I thought Marquez too until I found out in this thread that it was actually Alonso who ran the ‘second number’ that year.

Marques ran #21 for Minardi in 1997 when Trulli moved across to LigierProst mid-season.