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Poll: Permanent Car Numbers (316 member(s) have cast votes)

What would you change about the assignment of car numbers in F1?

  1. Assign numbers to teams (66 votes [20.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.89%

  2. Assign numbers to drivers (156 votes [49.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.37%

  3. No change / Keep it the same (94 votes [29.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.75%

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#1001 HistoryFan

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 15:49

A little bit history, but: John Watson back in 1985 was the last guy who was not World Champion but drive the #1. What were the other drivers who drove the #1 without being Champion in F1?



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#1002 MoebiusPT

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 15:55

A little bit history, but: John Watson back in 1985 was the last guy who was not World Champion but drive the #1. What were the other drivers who drove the #1 without being Champion in F1?

Ronnie Peterson, 1974, all season long!

 

Due to Jackie Stewart retiring in 1973, Lotus took the nÂș 1 number due to their win in the WCC.



#1003 E.B.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 17:00

Pedro Rodriguez won Spa with number 1.

There were certainly quite a few others, especially the further back you go.

#1004 ensign14

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 21:16

The most unlikely was probably Graham Whitehead at the 1952 British GP; the organizers gave everyone numbers in alphabetical order of car, so Whitehead's Alta came at the top.  Bill Aston's self-build was number 2.

 

As an aside, there were no car manufacturers whose names would fall in the second half of the alphabet present at the race.



#1005 dave34m

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 22:20

Chris Amon at Spa 1967 raced number 1, not sure about other races that year



#1006 E.B.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 22:34

I've just remembered that I set a quiz question on another forum some years ago asking about drivers who had won a WDC race in car number 1 when they weren't the reigning world champ. In addition to Rodriguez and Peterson, I remember two others were Clark and Collins.

Johnnie Parsons and Jimmy Bryan did so too of course, but that's cos they were defending AAA or USAC national champions.

#1007 HistoryFan

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:37

Thank you, very interesting.



#1008 Velocifer

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 13:52

Interesting that according to this poll, the majority here doesn't really want driver assigned numbers..



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 14:15

Interesting that according to this poll, the majority here doesn't really want driver assigned numbers..

 

Including me - either keeping it the same or going back to semi-permanent team numbers would have been preferable for me - but then take a look at the poll for double points and see how that one turned out.



#1010 Deluxx

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 14:04

To me, I feel like the numbers should be 150% more visible.

 

I'm all for simplicity and not wanting to neuter liveries any more than they are now....... but what's the point of assigning numbers if you can't even see them?

 

For example, the williams.

 

Yeah, there is probably going to be another sponsor to take up that space on the car, but even if there wasn't, it should look a bit like this. 

 

(original on left, new on right, sry for ms paint lols)

 

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You would be able to see the number in person and on tv coverage way better....



#1011 August

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:20

I'm more convinced that assigning numbers to drivers and not to teams was a mistake, if they wanted to get something new to marketing. I'm not convinced teams want to use their drivers' numbers in marketing as much as they would've wanted to use their own team numbers. I think Ferrari would've used 27 & 28 much more in their marketing than 7 & 14.



#1012 jcbc3

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:46

It's not for markering the teams but the drivers. Any driver in Ferrari No. 27 is instantly 'forgotten' or berated for using that hallowed number. Instead look at Valentino Rossi that has made a brand out of 46. This year is the first baby step towards the opportunity of building a brand for the drivers. Rome wasn't built in a day, y'know.



#1013 danmills

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 17:16

Personal numbers also eradicates the 'No.1 and No.2' predicament.



#1014 August

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 17:23

How are the camera colours now decided between teammates?



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 17:27

In most teams it's been given to the lead driver in last years championship, Williams is one exception where Bottas hasn't been given the black camera even though he was with the team last season. I guess teams which have two new drivers the black "lead" camera has been given to the driver with more experience.

#1016 sabjit

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 20:35

In most teams it's been given to the lead driver in last years championship, Williams is one exception where Bottas hasn't been given the black camera even though he was with the team last season. I guess teams which have two new drivers the black "lead" camera has been given to the driver with more experience.

 

 

Honestly, I think a flip of the coin is more likely.



#1017 Deluxx

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 02:40

I'm more convinced that assigning numbers to drivers and not to teams was a mistake, if they wanted to get something new to marketing. I'm not convinced teams want to use their drivers' numbers in marketing as much as they would've wanted to use their own team numbers. I think Ferrari would've used 27 & 28 much more in their marketing than 7 & 14.

 

I appreciate your opinion, but I disagree.

 

Having a number stick to you no matter what team you go to is more important for independent branding.



#1018 August

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:35

It's not for markering the teams but the drivers. Any driver in Ferrari No. 27 is instantly 'forgotten' or berated for using that hallowed number. Instead look at Valentino Rossi that has made a brand out of 46. This year is the first baby step towards the opportunity of building a brand for the drivers. Rome wasn't built in a day, y'know.

 

I appreciate your opinion, but I disagree.

 

Having a number stick to you no matter what team you go to is more important for independent branding.

 

I doubt teams allow much independend branding branding, look at how drivers need to modify their helmet paintjobs for the team's requirements (even though many of them seem to do it willingly). The numbers don't seem any more prominent than they used to be. Williams at least uses drivers' personal fonts, yet even that's far from MotoGP's individually styled numbers.



#1019 jcbc3

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:54

Not disagreeing with that at all August. What I am saying, is that it is a process that has only just started.



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#1020 Deluxx

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 14:03

Yep. When we see a big star go to another drive I bet. Bringing their number with them will be a way teams and drivers define themselves in a new car.

 

I just hope we don't see them go overboard with it like in other sports. 

 

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#1021 Numero14

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 14:45

Its was better for me when cameras were red and black, this black and fluorescent is shit for me.

 

:down:


Edited by Numero14, 26 March 2014 - 14:45.


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 14:57

The other day I was noticing someone in the street wearing a Ferrari Massa shirt. Was he a Ferrari and/or Massa supporter? With the number it's more clearcut IMO.If someone wears a shirt with their fave driver and his number, as opposed to a team shirt I know. Helps me to understand if I am dealing with a driver or team supporter.

 

And as a matter of fact, above is a poster with the username Numero14. It seems pretty obvious for whom he is rooting.



#1023 Deluxx

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 16:13

The other day I was noticing someone in the street wearing a Ferrari Massa shirt. Was he a Ferrari and/or Massa supporter? With the number it's more clearcut IMO.If someone wears a shirt with their fave driver and his number, as opposed to a team shirt I know. Helps me to understand if I am dealing with a driver or team supporter.

 

I agree.

 

And as a matter of fact, above is a poster with the username Numero14. It seems pretty obvious for whom he is rooting.

 

This guy?



#1024 HP

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 22:20

I agree.

 

 

This guy?

I get your point. However if you click on his profile you'll see it's Alonso. Besides, this is a forum which the majority of posts (including this discussion) are about Formula1.



#1025 Deluxx

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 12:13

They'll come a time where we'll be able to identify drivers without waiting for a commentator to stumble over his/her notes.

 

But when the FIA is ready. They don't like change.

 

Look how long it took to get size 8 font numbers on the side of cars. Thats a pretty big achievement.


Edited by Deluxx, 27 March 2014 - 12:13.


#1026 Numero14

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 14:58

why all drivers dont have number on helmet to look in same direction?



#1027 Deluxx

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 16:54

I think we will eventually see helmets with numbers on them, but I'm not sure I'm open to the idea of requiring them, just yet at least. Some drivers have designs they like to use, and I see conflict.

 

However, it would help alot!



#1028 Rob G

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 17:13

I think we will eventually see helmets with numbers on them, but I'm not sure I'm open to the idea of requiring them, just yet at least. Some drivers have designs they like to use, and I see conflict.

 

However, it would help alot!

 

Requiring numbers on the sides of the car would eliminate the need for numbers on the helmet. I haven't seen an F1 car without room for a number somewhere on the side in years.



#1029 Deluxx

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 17:28

They do require it now :)

 

They're just not big.



#1030 Rob G

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 23:36

They do require it now :)
 
They're just not big.

If that's true, then unless the numbers are smaller than the letters in this sentence, everybody broke that rule except for Red Bull, Williams and Toro Rosso.

#1031 showtime

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 00:10

why all drivers dont have number on helmet to look in same direction?

Because it's not regulated so some think on how it's seen from the front and others from the onboard camera. Numbers in helmets are pretty useless anyway. 



#1032 Deluxx

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 02:17

If that's true, then unless the numbers are smaller than the letters in this sentence, everybody broke that rule except for Red Bull, Williams and Toro Rosso.

 

Well, exactly haha ^_^