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What would you change about the assignment of car numbers in F1?

  1. Assign numbers to teams (76 votes [21.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.90%

  2. Assign numbers to drivers (168 votes [48.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.41%

  3. No change / Keep it the same (103 votes [29.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.68%

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#1101 Rob

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 10:29

God please stop that name-number thing.

 

OK N16ol, I won't do it any more  :)



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#1102 Maustinsj

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:05

Th4nk 600dn355 4 th4t!

#1103 zanquis

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 13:59

yeah he needs to show more with it. He only did 1 season with nr 5 and won " only" 5 races with it. Mansell had it for 6 years and won 27 races with it. So since I expect Vettel NOT to last another 5 years at Ferrari as I dont see him winning a title with them, and not come close to winning another 21 races with it. The number is i.m.h.o. Mansell's. i get Vettel's drive for it, but he will add to the legend of the red 5, but he will not be the legendary red 5.



#1104 bonneville

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 20:36

yeah he needs to show more with it. He only did 1 season with nr 5 and won " only" 5 races with it. Mansell had it for 6 years and won 27 races with it. So since I expect Vettel NOT to last another 5 years at Ferrari as I dont see him winning a title with them, and not come close to winning another 21 races with it. The number is i.m.h.o. Mansell's. i get Vettel's drive for it, but he will add to the legend of the red 5, but he will not be the legendary red 5.


Michael Schumacher, 66 races with #5, 21 wins, 1 championship. Number raced to his first ever win with Benetton, his first championship, his first ever win with Ferrari, and his last ever win.

Fitting number for his natural successor, isn't it?
Vettel also won his first championship with it. Will he win his first Ferrari win with it?

Btw, Vettel's only ever winning numbers: #1, #15 (first win), #5 (first championship). Also raced, but never won with #10 and #19.

#1105 pacificquay

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 22:28

 Number raced to his first ever win with Benetton, 

 

It wasn't



#1106 bonneville

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 00:35

It wasn't


Correct. Raced #19 to his first win. Raced #5 to his second ever win, and twenty others for a total of 21 wins with #5: http://forix.autospo...51&b=0&rst=1011

Vettel would also race #5 to his second ever win.

#1107 zanquis

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 09:18

Bonneville thanks for making it more clear:
So in short people entitled for the Nr.5 in their reputation:
Mansell,
Schumacher,
D.Hill,
Mario Andretti,
Alonso (but he has elected a other number already),
Piquet,
Vettel,
Fittipaldi, the first driver to have it has his number during the whole season and directly won the title with it.
Simply said 6 drivers had more races/results with it then Vettel, and he has a lot of work to do before he could ever be the legendary nr.5

Point is basically the Nr.5 is BIGGER then Vettel in F1, the number of great drivers who won titles and races with it is just to great to ever retire the number in a drivers honor.
It would also be a shame if any driver like Chilton/Ericsson in future would ever pick up the number after Vettel retires.
So imho it should be retired after Vettel but not as Vettel's number.

Anyway back to numbers guessing, I am saying Max V will go for 30, date birth, F3 number etc.



#1108 ensign14

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 00:19

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#1109 OvDrone

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 00:53

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Edited by OvDrone, 03 December 2014 - 00:54.


#1110 saudoso

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 02:49

Bonneville thanks for making it more clear:
So in short people entitled for the Nr.5 in their reputation:
Mansell,
Schumacher,
D.Hill,
Mario Andretti,
Alonso (but he has elected a other number already),
Piquet,
Vettel,
Fittipaldi, the first driver to have it has his number during the whole season and directly won the title with it.
Simply said 6 drivers had more races/results with it then Vettel, and he has a lot of work to do before he could ever be the legendary nr.5

Point is basically the Nr.5 is BIGGER then Vettel in F1, the number of great drivers who won titles and races with it is just to great to ever retire the number in a drivers honor.
It would also be a shame if any driver like Chilton/Ericsson in future would ever pick up the number after Vettel retires.
So imho it should be retired after Vettel but not as Vettel's number.

Anyway back to numbers guessing, I am saying Max V will go for 30, date birth, F3 number etc.


Can't leave Skywalker out of that list.

#1111 showtime

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 16:48

Max Verstappen will race with the 33...

 

Since I was a young kid I was racing around with this number.So I thought it is nice to keep that in F1 aswell! #33


Edited by showtime, 12 December 2014 - 16:49.


#1112 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 17:48

I think you mean Max V3rstapp3n ;)



#1113 scheivlak

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 17:56

Carlo5 5ainz takes - guess what - 55.



#1114 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 07:32

#CdS "#Vettel I'll run with the #5 for #Schumi"



#1115 SenorSjon

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:11

He has no choice, he lost the right to number 1. :p



#1116 Rinehart

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:18

Lewis just said on BBC Breakfast that he'll keep #44 on the car next year: "I might be number one, but forty-four is always my number."

He's not saying that. Lewis will run with #1 on the car next year. 



#1117 Lights

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:34

 

#CdS "#Vettel I'll run with the #5 for #Schumi"

 

 

Right. Now had he said and done that last year, then...


Edited by Lights, 18 December 2014 - 09:44.


#1118 ensign14

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 11:20

It's the kidney machine gambit.



#1119 SophieB

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 11:23

It's the kidney machine gambit.


I understand the reference but I don't understand how it applies here.

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#1120 ensign14

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 12:28

I understand the reference but I don't understand how it applies here.

 

In the same way as governments say they're going to tax things like films or sex to pay for kidney machines, rather than their own wages or to give to Dick Cheney's mates, people are referring to Schumacher as some sort of justification for actions when there is no relevance other than to gain some sort of sympathy or kudos or other positive publicity.



#1121 SophieB

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 12:47

Well, I agree the gesture would be much more meaningful if he'd said and done that when he had the choice, but I suppose it's not clear how much of a say in keeping their regular number the drivers have. He could hardly, for instance, have said last year 'Hey, press, just so you know I really wanted to race under number 5 for poor, injured Michael but these Red Bull suits are making me use the No1,'



#1122 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 12:48

What's the link between 5/V and Schumacher? Is it 5(of 7) titles at Ferrari?

 

Because Vettel already picked that, and before he signed for Ferrari, so...



#1123 EndlessMotion

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 13:27

He's not saying that. Lewis will run with #1 on the car next year. 

 

I didn't see the BBC interview but I was watching Sky's extended coverage of the Abu Dhabi GP and in the garage with Martin, Johnny and Damon Lewis said he wanted to and hoped to keep the #44 on his car next year but that he'd speak to the team about it. Guess it's not really his decision alone. To me 44 just looks "right" on Lewis' car now but it's not exactly a bad thing at all if the team makes him run with #1.



#1124 ensign14

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 13:47

What's the link between 5/V and Schumacher? Is it 5(of 7) titles at Ferrari?

 

Because Vettel already picked that, and before he signed for Ferrari, so...

 

Schumacher's first title came with car no. 5.  Although given the way he "won" that title, I seriously doubt Vettel chose it as a tribute to him.



#1125 August

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 14:15

What's the link between 5/V and Schumacher? Is it 5(of 7) titles at Ferrari?
 
Because Vettel already picked that, and before he signed for Ferrari, so...

 

In 1997 & 2006 Schuey drove in #5 Ferrari.



#1126 ensign14

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 14:24

I'm not entirely sure 1997 is the most appropriate year of Schumacher's to commemorate either...



#1127 jcbc3

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 19:43

Wouldn't the appropriate proverb be: "Making a virtue out of necessity".

#1128 MJB5990

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 20:01

Vettel chose it because it was the number Schumacher drove to his first WDC in '94. It was also Vettel's number for his first WDC in 2010.



#1129 hollowstar

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 20:07

Vettel chose it because it was the number Schumacher drove to his first WDC in '94. It was also Vettel's number for his first WDC in 2010.


So he's simply reverting to his own regular number. He may have chosen it as a reference to Schumi prior to last season, but it's not some kind of special gesture to use it again. Had he been the 2014 WDC I'm sure he'd be wearing #1 again.

Edited by hollowstar, 18 December 2014 - 20:08.


#1130 Bleu

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 20:45

Felipe Nasr has now confirmed that he takes number 12.



#1131 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 21:09

I always thought Vettel was taking it because 5 = V.



#1132 Markn93

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 21:10

Is there any chance the mods could change the title to "Permanent Driver Numbers" or something along that line, this is a pet peeve of mine as the current title was made when we were unsure as to the nature of the permanent number changes and I thought at the time the teams would have 2 numbers for their cars. 


Edited by Markn93, 18 December 2014 - 21:11.


#1133 SophieB

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 21:16

Is there any chance the mods could change the title to "Permanent Driver Numbers" or something along that line, this is a pet peeve of mine as the current title was made when we were unsure as to the nature of the permanent number changes and I thought at the time the teams would have 2 numbers for their cars. 

 

Okay. I figure usually people will find it less confusing if the titles stay the same, even when they're no longer strictly accurate but if it's going to be bugging you every time you see it, there you go.



#1134 Markn93

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 21:48

Thanks, it has been for a while. 



#1135 keshav

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Posted 19 December 2014 - 05:31

A silly question here. What if, maybe after 10-15 years, all single digit and two digits numbers are used up. The drivers will then use 3-digit numbers?



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Posted 19 December 2014 - 05:35

A silly question here. What if, maybe after 10-15 years, all single digit and two digits numbers are used up. The drivers will then use 3-digit numbers?

All numbers can't be used up simultaneously on a 15-20 cars grid... There are 99 numbers available.

i.e. when Button or Kimi leave F1, #22 or #7 will be available again...

Or maybe I simply didn't understand your question?

Edited by hollowstar, 19 December 2014 - 05:36.


#1137 keshav

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Posted 19 December 2014 - 05:44

All numbers can't be used up simultaneously on a 15-20 cars grid... There are 99 numbers available.

i.e. when Button or Kimi leave F1, #22 or #7 will be available again...

Or maybe I simply didn't understand your question?

In the case Button comes back from retirement. He would want #22 back, right? In the mean time, some new kid comes along and takes his number. What happens in that case?



#1138 hollowstar

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Posted 19 December 2014 - 05:56

You're right in that they may want to keep numbers a few years (3 to 5?) for the most emblematic drivers, just in case. But not for everyone (who would care if Ericsson's number were given to someone else?) and the pool of available numbers should remain more than big enough. The turnover in F1 is not THAT fast :)

Edited by hollowstar, 19 December 2014 - 05:56.


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 08:21

In the case Button comes back from retirement. He would want #22 back, right? In the mean time, some new kid comes along and takes his number. What happens in that case?

 

They have also chosen 2 reserve numbers and other than that he has to choose one of the other available ones if they are taken as well. MotoGP - Moto2 - Moto3 has this a lot. 


Edited by SenorSjon, 19 December 2014 - 08:22.


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#1140 hollowstar

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 17:39

FIA confirms #44 for Lewis Hamilton next year:

http://www.motorspor...milton-in-2015/

#1141 Risil

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 17:42

No #1? That blows.



#1142 RubalSher

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 17:45

FIA confirms #44 for Lewis Hamilton next year:

http://www.motorspor...milton-in-2015/

 

I was searching for this thread to post this very news, but you sneaked it in a couple of minutes before me. I am happy he has retained a number of his choosing :up: