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Poll: Quali trophy (110 member(s) have cast votes)

Is having a 'pole position' trophy a good idea?

  1. Yes (32 votes [29.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.36%

  2. No (39 votes [35.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.78%

  3. Don't know (3 votes [2.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.75%

  4. Potentially, but... (12 votes [11.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.01%

  5. Something else that doesn't fit that I will explain in the comments (2 votes [1.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.83%

  6. I don't care (21 votes [19.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.27%

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#1 SophieB

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:39

Autosport: The FIA is planning to introduce a 'pole position trophy' in Formula 1 from the start of next year, after receiving preliminary support for the idea from teams.

If it comes into force, the trophy will be awarded to the driver who secures the most pole positions during the championship season.

In the event of a tie between two drivers, then it will be given to the driver that has the greatest number of second places as well.

If it was still a tie, then it will be determined on the highest numbers or third or then fourth places until a winner emerges.

Should the results of the season end up completely tied, then the FIA has the right to nominate the winner under any criteria that it deems appropriate.



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#2 dau

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:41

Sounds nice, but i would prefer some extra points for pole and fastest lap.



#3 senna da silva

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:41

They could call it the Kubica Trophy.



#4 Gorma

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:43

I wish that Formula 1 was more sponsored and that it would allow for a "Gillette Pole Position Trophy" and "Rolex Formula 1 Championship"



#5 Gorma

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:45

They could call it the Kubica Trophy.

Because he had one pole?



#6 John Player

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:46

They could call it the Kubica Trophy.

 

Why Kubica? How about Senna



#7 NexusIcon

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:47

I voted "Don't know" in the absence of a "Don't care" option.

Really, what difference will it make?

Out of interest, how often is the person with the most poles not the WDC anyway?

#8 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:48

With everything that is wrong with F1,  the rules, the costs, the tyres let's do something really important, lets give a trophy to the guy who gets the most poles. 



#9 FBJim

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:48

Didn't they try this back in the early 1980s? I suppose it would have gotten boring once Senna got to McLaren, in any case.



#10 Zoetrope

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:51

Why Kubica? How about Senna

Because his nationality was Polish - British often refer to it as Pole



#11 DampMongoose

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:52

Pole position means nothing.  We've had two World Champions who didn't set a single pole in the year they won the title so does it really matter? Do you think they cared about that situation?



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:52

Because he had one pole?

 

 

Why Kubica? How about Senna

 

Think about it...  :drunk:

 

Anyway, I think it's a good idea, as qualifying is a special skill which deserves to be rewarded whilst being kept distinct from the race itself (I would never support awarding points for pole position).  In 1984, I believe, the pole position driver would receive a Vespa scooter on each occasion, and DHL has sponsored a fastest lap trophy for the past six seasons already.



#13 midgrid

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:54

Pole position means nothing.  We've had two World Champions who didn't set a single pole in the year they won the title so does it really matter? Do you think they cared about that situation?

The trophy wouldn't "matter" as such because it would have no bearing on the outcome of the championship - just a nice bonus for Vettel the driver with the most poles.



#14 senna da silva

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:55

Because he had one pole?

 

Because his nationality is Polish

 

Correct.  :up:

 

I voted no, the stat should suffice.



#15 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:56

Why Kubica? How about Senna

 

Polish a Pole... A joke.

 

:cool:



#16 Ryan94

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 17:57

Just something else for Vettel to win I guess



#17 Skinnyguy

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:00

Voted no, but meant I think it´s useless. Qualifying is just a way to order the cars for the start.

 

It´s like "FP1 trophy", something that I don´t think anyone will cherish. Anyway as long as it doesn´t give points or anything, it´s "I don´t care", instead of "no".



#18 Zava

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:01

Voted no, but meant I think it´s useless. Qualifying is just a way to order the cars for the start.

 

It´s like "FP1 trophy", something that I don´t think anyone will cherish. Anyway as long as it doesn´t give points or anything, it´s "I don´t care", instead of "no".

well, Rosberg certainly would've cherished that back in '09...  :p



#19 DampMongoose

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:02

They can present it at the same time Bernie gives out the £100 billion bonus 'please don't leave us with only 9 teams Dietrich' award.



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#20 SophieB

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:03

Fine, I added a 'don't care' option.

#21 jimbox01

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:03

Tyre management trophy?

 

Fuel saving trophy?

 

Facial hair trophy?

 

Most meaningless trophy idea trophy?

 

Does anyone remember the Jim Clark and Colin Chapman trophies?  Was anyone bothered about it at the time?

 

Don't necessarily think it's a good idea, but at least giving points of some description for qualifying would have some meaning.



#22 senna da silva

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:04

Voted no, but meant I think it´s useless. Qualifying is just a way to order the cars for the start.

 

It´s like "FP1 trophy", something that I don´t think anyone will cherish. Anyway as long as it doesn´t give points or anything, it´s "I don´t care", instead of "no".

 

Exactly. Maybe they can also have the "who can go fastest in an underweight car in preseason testing award", and call it the Tom Walkinshaw looking for sponsors trophy.



#23 PayasYouRace

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:05

Does anyone remember the Jim Clark and Colin Chapman trophies?  Was anyone bothered about it at the time?

 

 

Jonathan Palmer and Tyrrell. At the time it was followed though it didn't mean that much. Some publications even continued with it into 1988 even though it had already been abandoned.



#24 sock22

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:08

They have a DHL Fastest Lap award so I guess this won't do much harm. Having said that, the combination of this and the permanent car numbers story seems like the FIA tinkering while avoiding big issues like teams having huge debts. I don't mind them doing little things like this as long as the bigger things get sorted too.



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:15

I think before they make a  qualifying trophy they should start allocating points for qualifying. Also, if it is a reward based off of qualifying for the whole season, I think the trophy should go to the driver who averaged the highest qualifying position over the course of the season instead of outright poles, as I think that is more representative of qualifying performance.



#26 Tosh

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:15

I don't see the point. Winning a GP is far more important. :)



#27 dau

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:17

With everything that is wrong with F1,  the rules, the costs, the tyres let's do something really important, lets give a trophy to the guy who gets the most poles. 

Hey, remember what happened the last time FIA proposed cost control measures and new aerodynamic regulations to encourage overtaking without the need for DRS or fast degrading tyres? The teams shot it down.



#28 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:21

Maybe for every pole position as a little gift, but over the season?  Like end of next year, Ros or Ham will handed the FIA Pole Man of the Year in F1' trophy while Vettel celebrates WDC.. :drunk:  MEANINGLESS RUBBISH!



#29 Lights

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:23

This gives a whole different view on the term 'silly season' and F1 'circus'.



#30 Nonesuch

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:25

It's a great idea, but only if they can find some random multinational corporation that has nothing to do with cars to lend its name to the award. Otherwise it might seem quite pointless.

#31 Option1

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:30

It's a great idea, but only if they can find some random multinational corporation that has nothing to do with cars to lend its name to the award. Otherwise it might seem quite pointless.

OOooooo!  Ooo!  I know just the company!  They make 'energy' drinks that are apparently quite popular with young budding alcoholics, so meet your "nothing to do with cars" criteria perfectly.  They're called blue cow or yellow horse or red bull or something.

 

Neil



#32 Fastcake

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:38

Most meaningless trophy idea trophy?

 

The Nigel Mansell seat-fitting award?



#33 muramasa

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:39

I would have no reason to oppose if it's sth like prize money from sponsors directly to top 3 qualifying teams with no middleman taking it, but otherwise no.



#34 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 18:44

Fixed numbers, Pole Trophy wonder what they have been drinking at the end of party festivitas.

 

"The F1 business model is in shambles, teams are bleeding money CVS is raking it in, and there is a real danger that up to 3 teams will be out of the sport end of 2014, anyone have good ideas to fix all this?"

 

"Why don't we make the car numbers follow the driver, except for the WDC winner, and they hand out a trophy for taking Pole?"

 

"Great idea, that will fix it all"

 

:cool:



#35 sopa

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:06

So how many WDCs would each driver have if there was a Pole Position World Championship? :p

 

Maybe will take some time one day and calculate it.:)



#36 garoidb

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:22

Alternatively, why not reward whoever leads at the end of the first lap instead? At least there would be some racing involved (which is the main point of the sport).



#37 P123

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:23

My only thought is why?

 

I suppose somebody in the FIA is wanting to be seen to be doing something to justify their existence.  Or maybe it's a back door way to Bernie's medal idea- lets give a shiny trophy to the driver with most first places in qualifying.  Such a great idea, lets expand that to the races now that people have been conditioned to such a format.  Most wins also gets a shiny trophy....



#38 Option1

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:35

Instead of Pole Postion Trophy, how about a Pole Dancing Trophy?  Just as relevant, and possibly more exciting for da ladies, and maybe for some of those men inclined that way.

 

Neil



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:41

As long as it‘s just a trophy and doesn‘t count towards the championship then it‘s just a money-grubbing idea as far as I‘m concerned, like the stupid pointless numbers idea. It will just be a pointless prize for DHL or somebody to put their name to.

If you wanted to have a prize that meant something, we‘d have to do away with this nonsense about locking in the gear ratios after FP and locking in the rest of the setup after qualy, and starting on the tyre you qualify on. Still keep the cars in parc ferme on the Saturday night and Sunday morning to ensure no return to qualifying engines etc, and still don‘t allow parts to be replaced other than like-for-like replacement of stuff that is, in the scrutineers‘ opinion, broken. But allow setup changes. Give everybody in Q3 two extra sets of option tyres, use them or lose them, and let them go for it on low fuel. Then pole would be worth giving a prize for. With the rules as they are, pole by a narrow margin could be a reflection of a poor setup choice (when race pace is considered) as much as the speed of the driver concerned.

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#40 Nonesuch

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:44

OOooooo!  Ooo!  I know just the company!  They make 'energy' drinks that are apparently quite popular with young budding alcoholics, so meet your "nothing to do with cars" criteria perfectly.  They're called blue cow or yellow horse or red bull or something.

 

:lol: N'ah, all credit to Red Bull for making their own cars. Then again, the collective meltdown that would ensue if the proposed trophy were to be named the Red Bull Pole Trophy would be hilarious.

 

Maybe one of the 'leaders' of the less savoury host countries wants it named in his honour? That'd be fun, too. The end-of-year prize could be a golden bust with a big #1 foam finger. :up:


Edited by Nonesuch, 28 November 2013 - 19:45.


#41 Shiroo

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:54

SUCH AN AWESOME IDEA!

It is same like winning an online match in Minecraft.

 

MY D*CK ALL DIAMOND.


Edited by Shiroo, 28 November 2013 - 19:56.


#42 Slackbladder

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:54

Meh, I'm of the who cares camp.

Just meaningless... You could give points to pole position, but it's likely that could just lead to even more domination by a superior car, as we saw this year....

#43 Option1

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:57

I still don't get this "give points for pole" bs.  It's in the same category as the trophy.  Pole position is its own reward - you get to start the race ahead of every body else.  Giving points for what is essentially practice is ludicrous.

 

Neil



#44 sopa

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 19:58

Maybe they should design the trophy to look like the finger - a symbol of P1. Vettel would approve it. :p


Edited by sopa, 28 November 2013 - 19:58.


#45 DampMongoose

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 20:01

I still don't get this "give points for pole" bs. It's in the same category as the trophy. Pole position is its own reward - you get to start the race ahead of every body else. Giving points for what is essentially practice is ludicrous.

Neil


I agree, what do you think to a point for fastest lap?

#46 bourbon

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 20:16

The point of qualifying is to set the grid.  It is a high pressure pursuit and we often get glorious pole laps as a result.  Pole position is a reward in itself as you get to start at the front of the grid. 

 

Nonetheless, I see no problem with rewarding a driver for achieving the most poles throughout the season.  It is rather like rookie of the year.  You don't get points for either, it is merely an acknowledgment that the driver has done a very good job in the discipline.

 

With everything that is wrong with F1,  the rules, the costs, the tyres let's do something really important, lets give a trophy to the guy who gets the most poles. 

 

They have changed the rules; the costs have always and will always be high; and the present tyres are the result of people declaring 'something is wrong with F1' and F1 responding to "spice up the show" (careful what you wish for, lol).  So I would disagree with the idea that the FIA's focus is misplaced here (assuming that is what you infer).

 

Rookie of the year, second and third place, and the proposed pole trophies, all similarly award achievements apart from attaining the championship - achievements that will carry differing values for fans.  I do not see any reason to denigrate them, even indirectly, as they all carry value in that they show respect for, and recognize that hard work and achievements in these other areas is something worthy of note.  Surely doing a bang up job as a rookie or driving fastest and most accurately under pressure is worthy of recognition...


Edited by bourbon, 28 November 2013 - 20:31.


#47 Spillage

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 21:08

I think I am with the consensus here; nothing against the idea itself, do not want to see points awarded for pole and think such a trophy would be pretty irrelevant anyway.



#48 metz

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 21:15

I always thought the guy on pole had an unfair advantage for the race.

Why would anyone reward that?



#49 metz

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 21:17

How about a "First to First Corner" trophy?

It's more important, but just as stupid.



#50 fabr68

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 21:20

At this rate we will soon have trophys for practices.

What is the incentive here? To push drivers to setup the cars more for qualy pace sacrifying race pace to win a trophy?

Maybe they should award points for qualy and then do a reverse grid order start. What is the purpose of qualifying but means to an end.