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#3051 KingTiger

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 20:49

Wow, a McLaren without stiff suspension? Their biggest Achilles heel since 2009 - have they finally been able to get their aero to work with more useful suspension?

 

The issue before was that they had to run stiff in the rear, not the front. 



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#3052 Jamiednm

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 20:54

The issue before was that they had to run stiff in the rear, not the front.


Could have fooled me, the front of McLarens Kangarooing in to breaking zones has become a traditional feature over recent years.

#3053 JRizzle86

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 20:59

The issue before was that they had to run stiff in the rear, not the front.

I think you will find the last few cars including the 28 ran pretty stiff front suspension. 


Edited by JRizzle86, 19 March 2014 - 21:00.


#3054 Lazy

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 21:11

To achieve this geometry, McLaren have much lower wishbone attachment points, requiring a much lower bulkhead than any other car.

 

The designers of the other cars have prioritised airflow under the nose. It remains to be seen which is the better choice, but at the moment you couldn't reasonably claim that Merc got it wrong.

True but the 27 was the same so they should be able to find some pace with it and, IIRC, next year everybody has to lower the bulkhead so they'll have a head start.



#3055 Timstr11

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 21:18

To achieve this geometry, McLaren have much lower wishbone attachment points, requiring a much lower bulkhead than any other car.

 

The designers of the other cars have prioritised airflow under the nose. It remains to be seen which is the better choice, but at the moment you couldn't reasonably claim that Merc got it wrong.

 

Mercedes are running a shallow angle this year as well. Compare:

 

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Personally I think the choice is more aero driven than mechanically driven.

 

Other cars added for comparison:

 

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Edited by Timstr11, 19 March 2014 - 21:22.


#3056 Nicktendo86

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 21:25

McLaren to take more aggressive approach
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/113014

Yeah this is quite exciting. Usually I would say take the other approach, make a quick car and if it is unreliable you can fix it later in the season but McLaren wee dead right this year concentrating on reliability and driveability. Now taking an aggressive performance approach and have a big package for the next race. Very exciting!

#3057 JRizzle86

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 21:47

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#3058 KingTiger

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 21:47

Could have fooled me, the front of McLarens Kangarooing in to breaking zones has become a traditional feature over recent years.

 

Not a feature that costs them pace. 



#3059 JRizzle86

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 21:50

Not a feature that costs them pace. 

Quote "The problem, as always in F1, is not one thing. Button has struggled recently with this generation of Pirelli tyres to get heat into the front tyres, especially for qualifying. He has lost the “feeling”. McLaren runs its car very stiff at the front for aerodynamic reasons."

 

http://www.jamesalle...n-buttons-form/



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#3060 Nicktendo86

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 21:55

What is the context for that Webber tweet? Sounds like a dig at rb?

#3061 JRizzle86

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 21:58

What is the context for that Webber tweet? Sounds like a dig at rb?

Think it was more a dig at pay drivers, unless Seb or Daniel are pay drivers?



#3062 Nicktendo86

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 22:00

Think it was more a dig at pay drivers, unless Seb or Daniel are pay drivers?

Ah OK, thought he was talking about the budgets being the cars as that twet was posted next to a pic of the McLaren suspension. Got over excited that there might be some gossip :p

#3063 JRizzle86

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 22:02

Ah OK, thought he was talking about the budgets being the cars as that twet was posted next to a pic of the McLaren suspension. Got over excited that there might be some gossip :p

No he was just commenting on Kevin's podium. 



#3064 BillBald

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 23:38

Mercedes are running a shallow angle this year as well. Compare:

 

 

 

 

 

Personally I think the choice is more aero driven than mechanically driven.

 


 

 

 

Interesting pictures.



#3065 KingTiger

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 23:43

Quote "The problem, as always in F1, is not one thing. Button has struggled recently with this generation of Pirelli tyres to get heat into the front tyres, especially for qualifying. He has lost the “feeling”. McLaren runs its car very stiff at the front for aerodynamic reasons."

 

http://www.jamesalle...n-buttons-form/

 

See bolded, plus I don't see how Allen decides that a stiff front is the reason Button can't get heat into the tires. In pretty much any suspension stiffer springs mean that you're generating more heat into the tires compared to a softer setup.  :rolleyes:



#3066 Mrlarsen

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 08:02

where can i find sector times from the Australian GP ?



#3067 Nycco

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 08:36

McLaren's strategy is good. To build a solid basic car that scores many points in the first 4 events and then start to take risks as the year goes on. But I don't think it's the same people who work on reliability and on performance so it was not a completely deliberate choice not to be the fastest. It's a bit of PR talk, like Lotus saying they skipped the first test to focus on the car when they were just completely late and lost.



#3068 Rinehart

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 09:09

^ No but its a very logical, human plan. 

It feels like the first big decision McLaren have made for years that wasn't made by a computer.



#3069 Owen

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 09:33

Apparently so, it may mean a car with some decent mechanical grip. I agree the cars since 2009 have had overly stiff suspension, trying to achieve consistent ride height to allow the diffuser to work efficiently especially with a blown diffuser.  

Yeh, the lack of a blown diffuser may have meant a rethink. And what really must have bought it home was the handling of last years car.

Maybe some lessons were learned. Appears so anyway.



#3070 Hamm

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:51

Ron: We're confident that we will be half a second quicker at the next grand prix for a variety of reasons



#3071 nosecone

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:57

swingometer: brilliant



#3072 Obi Offiah

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:59

That is very encouraging, but ultimately we'll have to wait and see as guarantees in F1 are very rare.


Edited by Obi Offiah, 20 March 2014 - 12:00.


#3073 Mrlarsen

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:01

That is very encouraging, but ultimately we'll have to wait and see as guarantees in F1 are very rare.

Its great to have ron back, putting pressure on the team, we need to get back where we belong on the top of the podium, and ron and eric are the guys to make it happen :)



#3074 Arn

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:04

Others will probably improve to and it is already quite close between McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull and Williams a little bit a head. For sure it's going to be very exciting in Malaysia. This season already looks very promising, both as a McLaren and a F1 fan.



#3075 Emilvang

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:05

 

I like the sound of that!



#3076 Jamiednm

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:22

Not a feature that costs them pace. 

 

It absolutely did. Of course a car that is less compliant over bumps is going to lose pace.



#3077 slmk

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:23

 

So let me get this straight. They say they will be 0.5s quicker. They estimate Mercedes to be 0.5s faster, ergo they estimate they will be at Mercedes' pace by Malaysia. 

 

Very impressive if true. 



#3078 Coops3

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:26

^ That assumes they don't expect Merc to develop, which seems unlikely.



#3079 JRizzle86

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:39

That is quite a statement. Hope it has some correlation to how the car performs in Malaysia.



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#3080 argiriano

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:55

In previous years MW talked about 0,3sec per lap development between first races so updates shouldn`t be that much... it may be more of the optimization and calibration things along with some new parts and developments. It`s sounds quite dramatic of a step initially but with these new cars I think everyone will have bigger gains with every race at the start of the season... anyway sounds good for Macca.

 

I can`t wait to see where McLaren will end up come Malaysia. :)   


Edited by argiriano, 20 March 2014 - 12:56.


#3081 BillBald

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 13:05

It absolutely did. Of course a car that is less compliant over bumps is going to lose pace.

 

It was track-dependent really. I remember one year in Turkey (2011?) they had to compromise their setup because the porpoising was just too bad.

 

And of course last year with the 28, they compromised all season, and they could hardly ever find a good setup.



#3082 pup

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 14:21

In previous years MW talked about 0,3sec per lap development between first races so updates shouldn`t be that much... 

 

On average.  Some races you get a lot.  Some races you get nothing.



#3083 Force Ten

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 16:50

On average.  Some races you get a lot.  Some races you get nothing.

So cars get 6 seconds a lap faster by the end of season? :)

#3084 noikeee

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 17:15

So
 
gap to Mercedes = 1.5s
magical Malaysia update = 0.5s
 
if only they had Alonso, they'd just be 4 tenths off the Mercs!


#3085 pup

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 17:45

So cars get 6 seconds a lap faster by the end of season? :)

 

Martin the Missing's words; not mine.   :cat:

 

Though I remember him saying 2/10ths, not 3.


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#3086 Arn

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 18:14

In previous years MW talked about 0,3sec per lap development between first races so updates shouldn`t be that much

 

 

On average.  Some races you get a lot.  Some races you get nothing.

 

 

So cars get 6 seconds a lap faster by the end of season? :)

No one said anything about an average 0.3 sec improvement between every race the whole season. It's only logical that the biggest gains are at the start of the season, and especially now with the new regulations, big improvements can be expected early on.



#3087 Mc_Silver

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 18:29

 

That's what I wanna hear!  :clap:  :clap:



#3088 kar

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 18:44

 

Just wait until the Nurburgring.



#3089 Group B

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 18:48

That is quite a statement. Hope it has some correlation to how the car performs in Malaysia.

 

It's classic Ron, and the reason he became known around here as wRONg back in the early 2000s. Bold/confident statements are great so long as you can back them up, but if it repeatedly doesn't happen you can start to look a bit silly. Still, in this case he may well be right as you imagine a lot was being learned and a bit held back in Oz, though is does occur to me that the same ought to be true of other teams.



#3090 Imateria

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 19:14

Just wait until the Nurburgring.

Thats a long wait then, F1 wont be racing at the Nurburgring until next year.



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 20:43

….question is of course how big a net gain they will achieve, 'cause as always the others aren't standing still, even if it's usually limited what updates are brought to the cars before we get to Spain.



#3092 Lazy

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 21:24

True but I think Merc have put most of their stuff on already, McLaren have got bigger steps to make I believe.



#3093 JRizzle86

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 21:31

Well McLaren admitted the set backs at the last Bahrain test meant they couldn't fit any of their planned upgrades which meant they ran in Melbourne with no upgrades. They aim to run the upgrades in Malaysia instead. 



#3094 Lazy

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 21:35

Really? I thought they had some on.



#3095 tkulla

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 21:48

I'm sure they did some testing of a few new components on Friday just to verify them, possibly with no intention of running them until Malaysia. 



#3096 Nicktendo86

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 21:50

Yeah new turning vains at least

#3097 FranDaMan

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 23:40

Love this confidence from the team. I really hope we can keep on fighting at the front next time out.

 

What do we reckon - will Sepang suit the '29?



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 02:47

Love this confidence from the team. I really hope we can keep on fighting at the front next time out.

 

What do we reckon - will Sepang suit the '29?

 

All depends on the upgrades I reckon.

 

What we saw in Melbs was basically the Jerez spec car, and the RedBulls were dancing around us in the high speed stuff at Bahrain so it could be a lot tougher for us.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 03:02

If Ferrari can't get more performance out of their PU then its gonna be a better run for McLaren.

 

Only have to fight Merc,Williams and RBR

 

Malaysia has two long straights and hopefully we can see the difference in performance between the lumps.


Edited by sneaker91, 21 March 2014 - 03:03.


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#3100 Kingshark

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:35

Malaysia will be good for McLaren, and Mercedes powered units in general I reckon. Those long straights are going to hurt the underpowered Ferrari/Renault a lot.