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#501 midgrid

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:46

Bought my first bottle of Martini ready for next week :clap: Just got to sort the mixers out next.


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#502 northell

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 18:19

"@tgruener: #F1 We got the average race sim lap times from Bahrain. Bottas quicker than Rosberg. AMuS: http://t.co/tUCopS99g2 http://t.co/G7MZ8SJJQ6"
Intresting tweet about bo77as race sim.

#503 Slartibartfast

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 12:59

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Does anyone know what race track that is?


Ascari Race Resort, near Ronda in southern Spain.

#504 slu

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 13:39

I still belive that the 36 has a flywheel energy storage instead of batteries of the following reasons:

 

1. Reports are that the 36 is well below the weight limit.

2. Cooling is not an issue- the 36 run cooler than the rest.

3. Fuel consumtion does not seem to be a major obstacle.

4. Reliability

 

The flywheel is lighter than batteries - require substantial less cooling  and are more energy efficient in charging/discharging - and Williams has quite some experience from both the Porsche and Audi projects.



#505 ry1808

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 13:53

I still belive that the 36 has a flywheel energy storage instead of batteries of the following reasons:

 

1. Reports are that the 36 is well below the weight limit.

2. Cooling is not an issue- the 36 run cooler than the rest.

3. Fuel consumtion does not seem to be a major obstacle.

4. Reliability

 

The flywheel is lighter than batteries - require substantial less cooling  and are more energy efficient in charging/discharging - and Williams has quite some experience from both the Porsche and Audi projects.

 

They have to use whatever Mercedes supply, if they are running a flywheel then so are all the other Merc teams. The KERS and Engine all make up the 2014 Power Unit which must all come from the same supplier.



#506 Pilla

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 21:49

I still belive that the 36 has a flywheel energy storage instead of batteries of the following reasons:

 

1. Reports are that the 36 is well below the weight limit.

2. Cooling is not an issue- the 36 run cooler than the rest.

3. Fuel consumtion does not seem to be a major obstacle.

4. Reliability

 

The flywheel is lighter than batteries - require substantial less cooling  and are more energy efficient in charging/discharging - and Williams has quite some experience from both the Porsche and Audi projects.

Batteries are easier to package and don't have issues effecting the cars cornering.



#507 Exb

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 21:56

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Does anyone know what race track that is?


The track is Ascari, near Ronda, Malaga its a beautiful racetrack... A bit about it from the circuits website...

Ascari is the longest track in Spain, and “one of the most spectacular in the world”.
The full circuit is 5,425 meters long, with a consistent width of 12.2 meters.
The 26 corners of this anti-clockwise circuit are divided into 13 right-hand and 13 left-hand turns, offering a balanced course for both the driver and the vehicle. Variety ensures a good mix of tight bends and sweeping curves. To further challenge both car and driver, the track includes bends with up to 18% banking, 12% ascents and descents, and demanding chicanes.
The backdrop to Ascari is a nature lovers’ paradise. Mountains and indigenous woodland characterize a terrain intentionally devoid of advertising boards and other manifestations of commerce common to other race circuits.
http://www.ascari.net/concept.html

#508 Anderis

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 03:18

Encouraging start of the weekend. Hope to see both Williams drivers keeping simillar positions for qualifying and race. :p

 

The car doesn't look characteristic at all from longer shots IMO. :( I still don't understand from where is this livery hype coming from.



#509 DanardiF1

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 03:23

The track is Ascari, near Ronda, Malaga its a beautiful racetrack... A bit about it from the circuits website...

Ascari is the longest track in Spain, and “one of the most spectacular in the world”.
The full circuit is 5,425 meters long, with a consistent width of 12.2 meters.
The 26 corners of this anti-clockwise circuit are divided into 13 right-hand and 13 left-hand turns, offering a balanced course for both the driver and the vehicle. Variety ensures a good mix of tight bends and sweeping curves. To further challenge both car and driver, the track includes bends with up to 18% banking, 12% ascents and descents, and demanding chicanes.
The backdrop to Ascari is a nature lovers’ paradise. Mountains and indigenous woodland characterize a terrain intentionally devoid of advertising boards and other manifestations of commerce common to other race circuits.
http://www.ascari.net/concept.html

 

It's on Gran Turismo 6, and it's a really cool track to drive.



#510 George Costanza

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 03:29

Williams look very quick.



#511 Romulan

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 04:35

Pretty nice to see the FW36 go P3 and P4 in FP1.  I have much respect for Massa, Bottas and the Williams organization.



#512 Al.

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 05:16

I still belive that the 36 has a flywheel energy storage instead of batteries of the following reasons:

 

1. Reports are that the 36 is well below the weight limit.

2. Cooling is not an issue- the 36 run cooler than the rest.

3. Fuel consumtion does not seem to be a major obstacle.

4. Reliability

 

The flywheel is lighter than batteries - require substantial less cooling  and are more energy efficient in charging/discharging - and Williams has quite some experience from both the Porsche and Audi projects.

 

 

http://www.williamsf...ne-partnership/

 

The Williams F1 Team and Mercedes-Benz are pleased to announce the signature of a long-term engine partnership from the 2014 Formula One World Championship season onwards.

Under the terms of the agreement, Williams will be supplied with a Mercedes-Benz Power Unit (Internal Combustion Engine plus Energy Recovery System) by Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains (HPP) based in Brixworth, UK. Williams will continue to manufacture its own transmission............................

 

As to the cooling perhaps when they embarked on the design they thought they would be cooling a Renault   ;)



#513 Iranie

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:10

Williams long-runs.

 

Massa/Bottas

 

36.4 - 38.8

36.0 - 35.3

36.1 - 34.8

35.5 - 34.5

35.5 - 34.5

35.6 - 34.5

35.7 - 34.5

35.4 - 36.5

35.6 - 34.6

36.0 - 34.6 

35.7 - 34.6

35.7 - 35.8

36.2 - 35.0

36.0 - 35.1

36.3 - 35.1

36.4 - 35.3

36.2 - PIT LAP (to harder compound)

36.3 - 34.6

37.6 -  34.9

END - 34.2

END - END

 

Massa clearly slower but he made a bit longer stint so probably more fuel onboard. Don't know how much wear were on those softs which were used most of the time.

Bottas's concistency is unbelievable. Looking good for Williams.


Edited by Iranie, 14 March 2014 - 08:12.


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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:15

Yes that matches what Andrew Benson was saying, Williams insiders believe Bottas is significantly quicker than Massa over a race distance (but Massa is still strong over a lap)

#515 AlexanderF1

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:17

didnt massa do his long run on prime hence the slow times?



#516 Iranie

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:19

didnt massa do his long run on prime hence the slow times?

 

Oh yes, that might be the case. Probably the smartest thing to do is to test both compounds on high fuel. 


Edited by Iranie, 14 March 2014 - 08:20.


#517 Francesc

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:23

Yep Massa did the race run on Medium tyres so it's not fair to compare their times.



#518 Jambo

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:24

nice long runs, happy with day 1 :)



#519 Anderis

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:35

Looking at long run pace, I would place Williams 3rd best, after Mercedes and Red Bull, but slightly in front of McLaren, Ferrari and Force India.



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#520 joora

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 14:46

New sponsor on the rear wing side panels - Esquire

 

http://www.williamsf...rtners/Esquire/


Edited by joora, 14 March 2014 - 14:46.


#521 Anderis

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 16:48

New sponsor on the rear wing side panels - Esquire

 

http://www.williamsf...rtners/Esquire/

That was announced a week ago.



#522 joora

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 19:52

That was announced a week ago.

 

Sorry, didn't realize it has been posted already.



#523 SamH123

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 19:57

Bottas' very consistent long stint times hopefully point to driving to a delta, whereas maybe Rosberg was pushing hard so had more variation in his times

 

Hopefully Williams didn't show their hand in the quali sims and this car has potential



#524 Anderis

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 04:15

Ehh, super-duper reliability during testing, the racing weekend comes, and Bottas gets penalty for gearbox change as quick as it was possible... Better to have gearbox issue now, than in the race, though.

 

Massa's pace on primes looked very good. Shame he failed to set a quick lap on option and we don't really know what is he capable of.



#525 DanardiF1

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:27

Pat Symonds has just told Martin Brundle he's convinced Williams are aiming for the podium this weekend...



#526 Vesuvius

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:32

Toto Wolff said Bottas was the strongest opponent for Mercedes so very sad about his 5 grid penalty and the fact he missed practise 3 ( that according Rosberg means about 0,3 seconds handicap for quali) hopefully Vale can still have a good quali, Claire Williams thinks he can be in position 3-5 at least.

#527 Francesc

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:59

Williams as always (last years) having bad luck when they have the equipment to get a good result. :mad:



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:10

Looks like their car may be a bit weak in the wet, wasn't that what the experts were all expecting? I'm sure I read people saying that it may be the case since its so pointy



#529 Disgrace

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:10

So ninth and 15th after all that? :well:



#530 Francesc

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:14

So ninth and 15th after all that? :well:

 

Wet qualifying. You can't read anything from today.



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:17

Disappointet about this, wrong tyre call, but slower on intermediates than other cars. Slow in the wet and twitchy at high sped corners, does the car lack downforce?

#532 4L3X

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:21

Not happy with them being slower than Force India and Toro Rosso...



#533 SamH123

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:28

The car looked quick briefly in Q2

Not sure about the rest of the time.. maybe Inters were the wrong tire in Q3 but disappointing to be soooo far behind a RB on the same tires  :|



#534 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:14

I don't think we can read too much into qualifying as it was wet. Disappointing but I don't think it reflects the car's pace.



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:16

Did seem to struggle getting heat in to the inters. Dry running and long runs suggest that we're gentle with the tires, might just be a similar problem to what Ferrari had for the past few years. Anyways, points are given tomorrow, and as we've noticed today in Q1 and earlier, we seem to be strong in dry and it's looking like dry for the race.



#536 joora

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:24

Let's hope for a dry race tomorrow...



#537 Anderis

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:30

It's kinda incredible. It's just second Double Q3 for the team since Brazil 2010, and yet everybody seems to be disappointed with Williams' result.



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:21

ValtteriBottas: "We had the raw pace to finish further up, but in Q3 struggled to get the inters and wet tyres to work properly"

Seems like it probably was a tire heating issue.



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:45

We seem to have short gears (in Bahrain we did, recall many tracksiders saying that we are gearing up way earlier than most), hence we probably have greater acceleration (feel free to correct). In a way similar to Red Bull from the past few years. Could this be a reason why we seem to struggle a lil bit more in the wet, as we get more wheel spin from the acceleration than say someone with longer gears? To be honest, the drop off in performance from lets say Q1 seemed a lil bit odd. The car seemed to be a lil bit more over the place than some other teams. Heck even Torro Rosso and Force India jumped us. The team stated that we had problems with working the tires, probably getting them up to temperature, but could this also be a reason?


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#540 joora

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 16:31

It's kinda incredible. It's just second Double Q3 for the team since Brazil 2010, and yet everybody seems to be disappointed with Williams' result.

 

The result is in no way dissapointing in context of previous Williams seasons, but it's a bit dissapointing in the context of preseason testing. The best scenario would be that the drop off in Q3 is attributed to problems of handling of the car in the wet, as Okyo said.



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 16:31

Well... It doesn't really explain the highest velocity on speed traps. (alongside Hamilton)



#542 Anderis

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 16:50

The result is in no way dissapointing in context of previous Williams seasons, but it's a bit dissapointing in the context of preseason testing. The best scenario would be that the drop off in Q3 is attributed to problems of handling of the car in the wet, as Okyo said.

I know. But it's interesting how pre-season testing can change expectations of some people. A month ago nobody would consider double Q3 as a disappointment for Williams.



#543 joora

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 18:36

No matter the issue of performance, the Martini livery FW36 looks great with full wets on:

 

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Image credit: planetF1

 



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:45

Well done to Valtteri. Shame for his mistake, but he had some great overtakings and saved the day.



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:47

Today was like 2009 in a way.

 

2nd fastest car today but only a 6th place...

 

It's fair to say that the car was damaged after the hit with the wall as the pace wasn't as good as before. :well:



#546 Massa

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:49

Rocketship. The only car who can challenge the Mercedes.



#547 spacekid

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:01

After all the testing hype I didn't dare to believe it, but Williams really are looking good this season, it's fantastic to see.

It's a shame we didn't get to see both cars running their best pace, but there's clearly a lot of potential there.

I just really hope Williams can keep up with the development this year and be contenders for podiums.

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:02

I don't think it can be realistically expected of Williams to develop at the rate of financial behemoths. I really hope they bank some big scores before Europe.



#549 PayasYouRace

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:05

Disappointed considering the pace the car appears to have, but have to temper that disappointment when comparing to last year. Shame about Massa at T1. I would have liked to see how he'd do. Valtteri's mistake seems to have cost him some, but I think hopes for Malaysia must be high.



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:06

Today was like 2009 in a way.

 

2nd fastest car today but only a 6th place...

 

It's fair to say that the car was damaged after the hit with the wall as the pace wasn't as good as before. :well:

Didn't you see Valtteri's recovery? He absolutely stormed through the field.