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[dau]

Can you prove that the things I listed are not open? I mean of course there are things like restrictors and stuff but IN COMPARISON it is pretty open

 

Open tire - free (atm in P1 the popular choice is Michelin for entrants but you could have Dunlops or anything if you wanted)

Open fuel - diesel, petrol, isobutanol

Open engine - no maximum cubic capacity as of 2014, no spec ECU, far more diversity

Open chassis - of course there are regulations in place since they are prototypes but it is more open, both under the skin and on top. can be self-built or customer car. used to be coupe or open top (not in P1 anymore, but in P2 yes). the hybrid solutions - if you run them - are more advanced too.

Open strategy - no mandatory tyre compound crap, no mandatory pit stop windows, no blue flag forcing, not fuel restricted, etc

Free testing - NO LIMITS

 

among others

They're not open unless you're using 'open' as liberally as you use 'spec', i.e. as 'more restricted' compared to 'less restricted'. F1 has a spec tyre and a spec ECU, but everything else isn't spec, just restricted. As it is in LMP1, where your 'open' engines have to be "Petrol and Diesel 4 stroke engines with reciprocating pistons" with "maximum pressure charging not over 4 bar", not more than two inlet and exhaust valves per cylinder and without electromagnetic valve actuation systems or even VVT. Yes, F1 is much more detailed in its restrictions, but in the end, both series offer envelopes within which the engineers are allowed to work. That's neither spec nor open.

 

Anyway, going to stop here, it's getting rather offtopic, this isn't an F1 vs. WEC thread after all. I just don't see the point in all this 'my series vs your series' bs. I'm pretty sure you also realize that WEC and sportscar racing in general still lag behind F1 when it comes to media presence and prestige and that's probably the reason why McNish never had a chance against Hamilton. Even though he should have.

 

Also, there are no mandatory pit stop windows in F1. It was a proposal in the Strategy Group that we will likely never hear of again. Good for the monthly uproar though.

Edited by dau, 02 December 2013 - 18:47.

[Exb]

http://plus.autospor...hlights-videos/

In case some people haven't seen these Autosport have put a couple of videos on line from the Awards. (Lauda and Surtees so far with more to follow tomorrow)

[Jackman]

There must be an argument for Sam Bird to have been the best British driver of the year.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Not a chance. In 2006 Button got it with his first F1 win, not Lewis with a GP2 title as a rookie.

[Jackman]

He put a championship bid together with no testing, in a 'new' team, and kept it going to the final round - it's got to be worth something.

[Ross Stonefeld]

*shrug*. If it was Bird vs McNish, maybe. But it wasn't that big a scalp. If Bird is a contender Justin Wilson would need to be to.

[Jackman]

You would say that - you're biased towards F1

[Ross Stonefeld]

Dude if anyone needs to declare on the registry of interests....

 

[Jackman]

F5000 all the way, baby

[Ross Stonefeld]

This year's nominees were

 

Hamilton
Button

di Resta

McNish

Bird

Wilson

 

Two of those definitely don't belong.

[LB]

Button and DiResta?

[sennafan24]

I only watch F1 if I am honest.

 

But if someone asked me my driver of the year, British driver and rookie of the year, I would have chosen the drivers that won.

 

Lewis I am a massive fan of, and I have already stated my opinion on Seb in several other threads, but a massive congrats to Bianchi whom I think has not received the credit he deserved for a fantastic rookie year 

 

Beating Chilton might not be the best measurement of his talents, but when you are putting the high amount of time between your teammate that Jules has in this climate of racing, its nothing short of outstanding.

 

For example, the last 3 races of the season when both should be comfortable with the car, Jules outperformed Chilton......

 

In Brazil, .6 tenths in qualifying 

 

In Austin .9 tenths in qualifying 

 

In Abi Dhabi .8 tenths in qualifying

 

He finished all 3 of those races in front of Chilton as well.

[Juggles]

Said it before, but I'll say it again: I think they should split F1 and every other form of circuit racing.

 

Lewis Hamilton, British competition of the driver? Really? Not World Champion, Allan McNish? Wrong, but sadly predictable.

 

Would you rather get with the girl who came fourth in Miss Universe or the girl who won Miss Tuvalu?

[Fastcake]

http://plus.autospor...hlights-videos/

In case some people haven't seen these Autosport have put a couple of videos on line from the Awards. (Lauda and Surtees so far with more to follow tomorrow)

 

Shame they didn't stream it, it was rather fun when they did that a couple of years back.

[SonnyViceR]

Would you rather get with the girl who came fourth in Miss Universe or the girl who won Miss Tuvalu?

 

Miss Tuvalu, more exotic and less generic

[JohnDoe]

For as long as they remain posted, here are the YouTube Videos of:

 

Seb impersonating Todt:

https://www.youtube....h?v=pswb-7YkTuY

 

Seb impersonating Helmet Marko:  (Swearing in this one)

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

Thanks for the links

[bourbon]

Speeches of Sebastian, Newey and Bianchi are up:

 

http://plus.autospor...hlights-videos/

[ollebompa]

Speeches of Sebastian, Newey and Bianchi are up:

 

http://plus.autospor...hlights-videos/

 

 Did they edit out the Todt bit? Or was he up on stage two times?

[bourbon]

Yeah, it was left out.  It was billed as private - hence cursing, impressions, comments, etc., wouldn't be published, but apparently some agreed to have their bits aired.  All the good stuff gets out anyway - as we have seen. 

[Exb]

Sky F1 are going to show highlights of the awards at some point.

http://f1broadcastin...-sky-sports-f1/

[thuGG]

[InfectedPumpkin]

 

Lovely!