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[garymoore]

Just heard that we are having another night race next year at Bahrain?

 

Apart from having no atmosphere at night (my opinion?) is shows F1 not having any idea of `green`?

Now, Im not one of the guys who go on about this,but its a lousy ad for this `sport` when they do this sort of thing?

 

The power for the lighting comes from somewhere, so how does that help re.green house effect or have I missed something?

[Gorma]

There is nothing green in F1. Even the grass is spray painted.

[redreni]

Then why do the cars have to limp to the end of the race without enough fuel to push in the name of "green" engines, when we‘ve established F1 doesn‘t give a hoot about the carbon costs of its operations when taken in the round?

And if you‘re concerned about the cost of the floodlights, what about the cost of flying the whole F1 circus to a desert in the back of beyond for no good reason? What about the carbon cost of building a ractrack in a desert where there are next to no potential paying customers for an F1 race in the first place, when there were perfectly suitable existing facilities in Europe that could have been used instead?

[EthanM]

of course it's not a green sport, every racing weekend they cut up and destroy 15 sets of tyres per car. That's 1320 tyres per weekend.

[alpinesmuggler]

And what about racing in places whose entire GDP is based on fossil fuel exploration and export?

 

The whole "green" idea in F1 is tenuous. Teams and the majority of fans don't particularly care, and people who oppose motorsport on ecological grounds aren't going to be swayed by token gestures such as limiting fuel capacity.

 

Now, ideas such as KERS and advances in materials and various control systems have the potential to percolate to the consumer car market where they can have a noticeable impact on reducing carbon emissions and our dependence on fossil fuels. And yet, tight regulations don't help teams and engine manufacturers to fully explore these avenues. What a shambles.

[Maustinsj]

I guess it's the board of whatever manufacturer plc explaining to the shareholders why they're spending £500m on F1 & "what relevance does it have to why my dividend is so low?"

[SenorSjon]

Green is the problem.

 

F1-fans don't like the downwards trend with less power, fuel, tires everything, but still F1 is travelling around the world to empty grandstands. If you want green, let every race be held at Paul Richard and run on one of their zillion configurations.

A green-figure dislikes motorsport no matter how green it is. So to sway them, this excercise is futile. You only lose fans along the way.

[jonpollak]

The power for the lighting comes from somewhere......

Ohhh goody..A lighting thread?

A generator...a big generator... Really big.

Anyway..

Hey Gary..remember the 1997 tour where I told you in Spain how to find your light and you asked ..Yeah fine but,How do I find the darkness?

Jp

[Amphicar]

Ohhh goody..A lighting thread?

A generator...a big generator... Really big.

Anyway..

Hey Gary..remember the 1997 tour where I told you in Spain how to find your light and you asked ..Yeah fine but,How do I find the darkness?

Jp

...should have asked Justin Hawkins instead

[garymoore]

Ohhh goody..A lighting thread?

A generator...a big generator... Really big.

Anyway..

Hey Gary..remember the 1997 tour where I told you in Spain how to find your light and you asked ..Yeah fine but,How do I find the darkness?

Jp

What feeds the generator then?

 

Cant answer the last question,sorry.

[Afterburner]

The idea of a 'green' F1 needs to be repeatedly beaten in the face with a titanium cricket bat, slashed by a couple million razor blades and bathed in a vat of alcohol-laced lemon juice before being shot up the backside with an RPG or seven, poisoned with arsenic, and then fed to an industrial meat grinder before being abraded into powder by salt-impregnated sandpaper and dissolved into non-existence with high-intensity gamma rays. In my opinion.

It's a hopeless PR pursuit when a single journey to a race by air spits more emissions into the atmosphere than an entire year's worth of running by all the cars combined.

[johnmhinds]

Why would you pick the Bahrain lighting to complain about when some of the teams are going to be running full scale wind tunnels all winter...

 

The lighting of a night race is such a tiny aspect of all the energy used throughout a season.

[garymoore]

Why would you pick the Bahrain lighting to complain about when some of the teams are going to be running full scale wind tunnels all winter...

 

The lighting of a night race is such a tiny aspect of all the energy used throughout a season.

Why dont they just race in daylight as per?

 

They say every bit helps? or does that not refer to F!?

Edited by garymoore, 02 December 2013 - 17:09.

[chipmcdonald]

Ohhh goody..A lighting thread?

A generator...a big generator... Really big.

Anyway..

Hey Gary..remember the 1997 tour where I told you in Spain how to find your light and you asked ..Yeah fine but,How do I find the darkness?

Jp

 

I sat here for almost a minute trying to figure out if I can be clever enough to somehow make a joke tieing this thread together, involving Gary Moore and Peter Green's Les Paul.

 

I've failed.

 

On an on topic note, I'd like to add the biggest waste is the hundreds of kg the teams lose in tire marbles.  In the 21st century it seems like someone by now should have come up with some sort of urethane-hybrid tire that lasts 4 times as long and uses half the petrol to make.  And wouldn't destroy the atmosphere if it catches on fire in a landfill somewhere...

 

Oh well.  Carry on.

Edited by chipmcdonald, 02 December 2013 - 17:48.

[EthanM]

Why dont they just race in daylight as per?

 

They say every bit helps? or does that not refer to F!?

 

why don't they do all 20 races in a season at silverstone which would require the least travelling and instead they get all their gear in jumbo jets and fly it around the world?

[Amphicar]

I sat here for almost a minute trying to figure out if I can be clever enough to somehow make a joke tieing this thread together, involving Gary Moore and Peter Green's Les Paul.

 

I've failed.

Oh come on - found this in the third paragraph of Wikipedia's entry on Gary Moore:

 

"Moore's greatest influence in the early days was guitarist Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac who was a mentor to Moore when performing in Dublin"

[wepmob2000]

The idea of a 'green' F1 needs to be repeatedly beaten in the face with a titanium cricket bat, slashed by a couple million razor blades and bathed in a vat of alcohol-laced lemon juice before being shot up the backside with an RPG or seven, poisoned with arsenic, and then fed to an industrial meat grinder before being abraded into powder by salt-impregnated sandpaper and dissolved into non-existence with high-intensity gamma rays. In my opinion.

It's a hopeless PR pursuit when a single journey to a race by air spits more emissions into the atmosphere than an entire year's worth of running by all the cars combined.

 

Yes, stupidest idea ever. The average greenie wouldn't be happy until F1 no longer exists, so why bother even attempting to pander to a very vocal minority of fanatics. All this green nonsense just dilutes the show, and alienates the fans. The difference the F1 circus makes to annual CO2 emissions (if you believe all that stuff) is so small it wouldn't even register in any meaningful statistics.

[Risil]

Yes, stupidest idea ever. The average greenie wouldn't be happy until F1 no longer exists, so why bother even attempting to pander to a very vocal minority of fanatics. All this green nonsense just dilutes the show, and alienates the fans. The difference the F1 circus makes to annual CO2 emissions (if you believe all that stuff) is so small it wouldn't even register in any meaningful statistics.

 

The media and sponsor interest in series like Formula E suggest the whole 'green racing' idea has legs.

[Henri Greuter]

I think the night race is primarily because of the evening temperatures being more comfortable for cars and people at the track.
better timing for prime time TV in Europe can not be the excuse in this case if it comes to the afternoo hours. Or they want to have prime time hours in the evening? In my country that means a clash with the prime sports program that focusses on football/soccer higlight reports of our national football/soccer competition. No way F1 can compete with that program.

The most stupid part of F1 being green: Give them KERS for energy-recovery purposes while at the same time engine mapping has been modified to such an exxtend that even at lower speeds the engine speed is raised as much as possible to generate exhaust gasses to assist exhaust gas enhanced areodynamics that generate downforce.....

Henri

[Afterburner]

The media and sponsor interest in series like Formula E suggest the whole 'green racing' idea has legs.

Legs that wouldn't exist if it weren't for the fact that people who define themselves as environmentally-conscious are low-hanging fruit economically, and any firm looking for a quick buck can get it by marketing to them.

[JHSingo]

Apart from having no atmosphere at night (my opinion?)

 

Disagree. Ever seen Le Mans, or indeed, any other endurance race where they race into dark? Freaking cool.

 

Although that said, Singapore (and now Bahrain) aren't true night races. What's the point in holding a race at night only to illuminate the track as bright as if it was held in the day time?

 

But as I said in another thread, a night race at Bahrain will at least make it less obvious that there are absolutely no spectators there.

[uffen]

As JHSingo said, there is no night racing F1, just racing AT night. The circuit operator must banish any hint of darkness from around the circuit.

Bernie commands this to play to the European audience, but I imagine most people (like me) record the race if it airs at an inconvenient time, so why bother?

 

In any case F1 is about as "green" as an oil tanker. I am amzed that some people are buying the lie. KERS, etc., will end up on road cars? Road cars had KERS-like equipent years before F1. Remember Red Bull joine with Infiniti so Infiniti could help THEM with KERS, not the other way around. This was stated when the partnership was announced.

[wepmob2000]

The media and sponsor interest in series like Formula E suggest the whole 'green racing' idea has legs.

 

Not really seeing that I'm afraid, apart from the novelty value that generates a little interest, lets see where it is in 5 years time. The cars sound like mobility scooters driven by angry OAP's :-D  Personally I'd rather watch the ballet.... seriously.

Edited by wepmob2000, 04 December 2013 - 00:41.

[SenorSjon]

As JHSingo said, there is no night racing F1, just racing AT night. The circuit operator must banish any hint of darkness from around the circuit.

Bernie commands this to play to the European audience, but I imagine most people (like me) record the race if it airs at an inconvenient time, so why bother?

 

In any case F1 is about as "green" as an oil tanker. I am amzed that some people are buying the lie. KERS, etc., will end up on road cars? Road cars had KERS-like equipent years before F1. Remember Red Bull joine with Infiniti so Infiniti could help THEM with KERS, not the other way around. This was stated when the partnership was announced.

 

Yet, he pisses on the European fan who wants to attend a race live with steep prices and/or a TV paywall. Why disregard the European fan in every way, yet make races have a go at night to please the European fan.

 

I rather have Singapore as a race in daytime. The GP2 race looked a lot nicer because it was still daylight when it was raced on Sunday. You can't have a feel for the track if you can't see the surroundings.

[HoldenRT]

It's all very shallow/surface/narcissistic.  It needs to portray the image of being certain things, rather than actually being them.

[Murl]

Yes, stupidest idea ever. The average greenie wouldn't be happy until F1 no longer exists, so why bother even attempting to pander to a very vocal minority of fanatics. All this green nonsense just dilutes the show, and alienates the fans. The difference the F1 circus makes to annual CO2 emissions (if you believe all that stuff) is so small it wouldn't even register in any meaningful statistics.

 

 

OTOH, the carbon footprint of anyone connected with F1 is off the charts, the whole idea of green motor racing is a joke and best forgotten about.

 

That would mean that F1 will become less relevant, about as relevant as WWF, oh wait...

[Shiroo]

whenever I hear "green" I'm really want to punch the guy that mentions this ****, and start to talk about how seals are sad, whales are disappointed in me, and ozon is getting pwned by the smokes. And then he starts to talk about, how my cash will resolve every frickin problem that envirnoment at the very moment have. Especially when they are using the frickin ****in same ship that is using the same oil to "help" the world. With all due respect, I'm tired of this eco terrorism etc. and F1 is the frickin last place where it should have anything to do with eco, green or whatever this **** you should call (I'm really disappointed that Russia need to release that god damn ship of Greens***)
 
This is what I think about Eco

 

Edited by Shiroo, 05 December 2013 - 08:15.

[wepmob2000]

OTOH, the carbon footprint of anyone connected with F1 is off the charts, the whole idea of green motor racing is a joke and best forgotten about.

 

That would mean that F1 will become less relevant, about as relevant as WWF, oh wait...

 

Maybe so, but that's only on individual terms. Taken as a whole, the carbon footprint of F1, if you care about this tripe, is absolutely meaningless and statistically insignificant. Since when has F1 ever had to be relevant, its entertainment in the guise of a sport, and sport isn't exactly relevant.