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[Baddoer]

Surely you'd prefer 4x4 or 6x4 if that's the case?

20 cars on the grid is just what you want.

[DampMongoose]

20 cars on the grid is just what you want.

 

I meant it more on the line of you liking even numbers and then saying you wanted five teams but hey ho... just a question why would you rather 20 cars rather than a full grid of 26? 

[Fourjays]

If it makes the sport more financially viable then I'd be ok with 3 car teams. I'd also like it used to solve the problem with young drivers, so maybe have a limit on the experience of the third driver. For example, the third driver has to be someone with less than 2 years experience in a Formula One car.

Edited by Fourjays, 03 December 2013 - 15:07.

[SenorSjon]

And then what? Fire driver in year 3? A fate many Torro Rosso drivers had?

[tifosi]

14x2 with pre-qaulifying.

[GhostR]

I voted 11x2 ... but only because I'd be happiest to see the sport sort itself out and make 13x2 work.

 

If they can't do that ... well, if next year it's a choice between 10x2 or 8x3 then I'd go the latter. Especially if it's as things are now, where a team or two are in serious doubt of being able to continue for a full season.

 

8x3 offers a few advantages:

 

* Certainly, you're looking at scale efficiency. Most of the money goes into design and develop, not actually building the cars. I expect it's far cheaper for two teams to build an extra car each than it is for a single team to build two cars from scratch.

 

* I'd also be interested in seeing the third car being a mandatory 'junior driver' scenario (Must be a rookie when they join the team) with a separate juniors WDC (JDC? Only drivers with less than 2 years experience and 22(ish) years of age eligible).

 

* The third car could be allowed to run in a variant colour scheme, giving the opportunity to potentially bring in extra sponsors and sponsorship cash.

 

...

 

Actually, the more I think about the more I think that an 8x3 scenario with the right rules package attached to it could be exactly what F1 needs...

Edited by GhostR, 03 December 2013 - 17:17.

[Andrew Hope]

8 x 3 would be ****ing awesome.

[PayasYouRace]

14x2 with pre-qaulifying.

 

Pre-qualifying was only when there were more than 30 cars.

[DutchQuicksilver]

Will choose 8x3 too. Toro Rosso, Caterham and Marussia have nothing in F1 really. Rather see another McLaren and Ferrari. I mean, Toro Rosso is basically another Red Bull already so. You never see them putting up much of a fight when a Red Bull is behind them.

[Atreiu]

13 x 2

 

And 1 car teams even if they don't take part in the full season.

Edited by Atreiu, 04 December 2013 - 14:50.

[Fourjays]

And then what? Fire driver in year 3? A fate many Torro Rosso drivers had?

In a 3 car team situation, why not? If they aren't as good as the other two in 2 years then surely it is best to try another rookie, or let another team have them. At least they'd get a chance.

[Nustang70]

This discussion misses the point.  FOM made £305m in profit last year.  The money to fix these problems is there.  

[SpaMaster]

It would really turn out to be 11 vs 8.

 

That is not at all good for F1..

[MikeV1987]

So many people here afraid of change.

[JHSingo]

11x2. The more diversity on the grid, the better.

 

Put it this way. It was far more exciting to see Nico Hulkenberg battling for the lead in a Force India (Brazil last year) than it would've been if he was in the third Mercedes or whatever. Common logic and past results shows that a Force India competing for a win is pretty unlikely, and therefore special, yet we're used to seeing a Mercedes towards the front. It's the little guys who really produce the shock results, after all.

Edited by JHSingo, 03 December 2013 - 19:55.

[OvDrone]

The more I think about this, the more I think this is one of the essential changes Formula 1 needs. I would be pure awesomeness and it would give me a couple of motorsport boners.

 

Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Williams, Sauber (with a merger), that shambles of a f1 team yucking up the past glories of Chapman and Enstone and ForceWhatever. - there you have it - 8 x 3. I'm sold.

 

Make it happen Bernie.

Edited by OvDrone, 03 December 2013 - 19:59.

[MikeV1987]

11x2. The more diversity on the grid, the better.

 

Put it this way. It was far more exciting to see Nico Hulkenberg battling for the lead in a Force India (Brazil last year) than it would've been if he was in the third Mercedes or whatever. Common logic and past results shows that a Force India competing for a win is pretty unlikely, and therefore special, yet we're used to seeing a Mercedes towards the front. It's the little guys who really produce the shock results, after all.

And how often do you see that? I would rather see 9 drivers in the top 3 teams battling it out than waiting around for a midfield team to have a lucky set of circumstances fall onto their lap.

[Atreiu]

This discussion misses the point.  FOM made £305m in profit last year.  The money to fix these problems is there.  

 

There is more than one valid point to be discussed.

 

First there is the money, and then there is team structure.

 

Perhaps the obligatory two car team taking part in all GPs has lost some of its usefullness. And yes, giving the teams more money, especially to keep the grid full and decent, seems more than apt. But how do you get it through Bernie's head?

[JHSingo]

And how often do you see that? I would rather see 9 drivers in the top 3 teams battling it out than waiting around for a midfield team to have a lucky set of circumstances fall onto their lap.

 

Not often, but that's the whole point. Races like that stand out far more in your memory because they are unusual, or were the making of a driver. I'd rather see those sorts of races than the regular teams winning all the time, because it's boring and predictable.

 

And put it this way - if you're going to have another driver in a top car like a Red Bull, you're going to get plenty more "he's only winning races because of the car he's in" stupid comments. Due to the effect Vettel's success has had on these parts, I've had quite enough of those already.

[MikeV1987]

Not often, but that's the whole point. Races like that stand out far more in your memory because they are unusual, or were the making of a driver. I'd rather see those sorts of races than the regular teams winning all the time, because it's boring and predictable.

 

And put it this way - if you're going to have another driver in a top car like a Red Bull, you're going to get plenty more "he's only winning races because of the car he's in" stupid comments. Due to the effect Vettel's success has had on these parts, I've had quite enough of those already.

Meh, personally it would be more memorable for me to see more drivers get a chance to win on merit at every race rather than waiting around to get lucky due to someone else's bad luck. As for the second part, their will always be armchair experts with the stupid comments! I enjoy seeing them cringe anyway 

Edited by MikeV1987, 03 December 2013 - 20:33.