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#101 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 20:09

José Gallego Segura, Head of Aerodynamic Design, , has left Lotus for Porsche in the last few days. Lotus is losing employees at a little higher rate than the other teams. All teams hire this time of year but Lotus is losing more employees than other teams right now.


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#102 Amaroo Park

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 23:20

Maybe Bouiller will try and screw more money out of PVSDA



#103 Mauseri

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 00:15

Well pretty sad for Lotus going this way and I'm starting to worry because even if they make it to the grid in 2014 probably they will be fighting toro rosso.

Well but if the financial side is as bad as it looks they have to scale down operations. It's a sad thing to see happen, but better to have them in F1 fighting in midfield than going bankrupt from top. With a good car they only finished 4th in the WCC, maybe a smaller budget they could still hang on to P4-6 and have the chance of beating Sauber, Toro Rosso, Force India etc.. in the WCC although fighting with them. Maldonado's money will be usefull too.


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#104 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 00:55

Well but if the financial side is as bad as it looks they have to scale down operations. It's a sad thing to see happen, but better to have them in F1 fighting in midfield than going bankrupt from top. With a good car they only finished 4th in the WCC, maybe a smaller budget they could still hang on to P4-6 and have the chance of beating Sauber, Toro Rosso, Force India etc.. in the WCC although fighting with them. Maldonado's money will be usefull too.

 

Yup you are right i went too far, still i doubt they will fight 4th i mean it all depends on Mclaren & Force India dont think FI will get to 4 but if Lotus is going this way Macca will hit 4 & FI 5 still pretty sure they wont go further than 6th but who knows not until the first test at least, do they have any engine deal btw?

 

Naoki Tokunaga

 

James Allison.

 

Dirk de Beer.

 

Dave Weater.

 

Robert Edwards.

 

Rod Nelson.

 

Gallego Segura.

 

Am i missing someone leaving this sinking ship?


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#105 HammyHamiltonFan

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 02:36

be funny seeing Boullier crying as the team falls down the order, can't see them competing much at all with Maldonado there, Grosjean might wrestle a few results out but other than that I think it will be a long sad year for them, would put money on them leaving F1 after 2014 in fact.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 23:55

Maldonado's money will be useful too.

 

I guess that money is being released in very small doses and in a round about way.

 

Otherwise, it would be an invitation for serious creditors (such as Kimi) to put in a winding-up order. 

 

I am wondering if Lopez will put the team into administration and then buy it out again, in a pre-pack arrangement. It is a very unfair arrangement that exists as a possibility in UK. Creditors

lose out. The Russian guy who bought TVR pulled this stunt. It's quite common.



#107 ZionLH

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 00:02

be funny seeing Boullier crying as the team falls down the order, can't see them competing much at all with Maldonado there, Grosjean might wrestle a few results out but other than that I think it will be a long sad year for them, would put money on them leaving F1 after 2014 in fact.

Couldn't of said it better myself  :up:  so glad Kimi not there feel sorry for grosjean though.



#108 Amaroo Park

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 04:53

I wonder when the engine deal will be announced?



#109 Donka

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:18

I wonder when the engine deal will be announced?

Engine deal??  Don't get ahead of yourself man.

 

I am still waiting for Lopez, Ijaz, and the pizza man to complete the Quantum deal.  Because "It is going to happen this week" RIGHT!   :stoned:  :rotfl:



#110 Amaroo Park

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:24

Sorry your right. Maybe Sutil need to shake Lopez up a bit. 



#111 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:12

Marco Sorensen is set to replace Davide Valsecchi as Lotus reserve driver.



#112 MaxisOne

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:44

Marco Sorensen is set to replace Davide Valsecchi as Lotus reserve driver.

 

 

Well if after being snubbed by Lotus after Kimi checked out he didnt quit then i guess it serves him right to allow Lotus to control that story.



#113 Cyanide

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 15:38

According to omnicorse and some British rumors, we must 'keep an eye out on' the E22, which promises to be a 'very interesting' car aerodynamically with strong downforce. The only problem is that the car might not be ready on time because of suppliers refusing to provide materials because they didn't get paid. 

 

Source: http://www.omnicorse...segnano-i-pezzi



#114 Owen

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 16:54

Dimi PAPADOPOULOS @f1enigma 37m

Patrick Louis resigned from CEO at Lotus. He will be replaced by Matthew Carter



#115 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 17:28

Lotus will not be at the Jerez test with their new 2014 E22 according to the team's technical director Nick Chester. #f1



#116 Jackmancer

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 17:38

Is missing the first test good? Ever?



#117 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 17:39

Does not being part of the first test affect in some way?



#118 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 17:39

I predict they won't be the only team missing the test



#119 Hayden1

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 17:45

Is missing the first test good? Ever?

 i hope they wont miss a whole season  :rotfl:



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#120 thegamer23

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 17:50

Is missing the first test good? Ever?

Last year Williams too missed the first test.
And it wasn't exactly a good season afterwards



#121 Zava

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 17:54

Is missing the first test good? Ever?

IIRC red bull missed the first test in 2010. :wave:

though that was only 3 days gone missing from the total of 15, now it would be 4 from the total of 12...



#122 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 18:06

Isn't Lotus one of the teams that was complaining of the lack of testing back in 2013 ?



#123 onewingedangel

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 18:11

The problem with missing the Jerez test this year is that the subsequent tests are in Bahrain. If they come across an unexpected issue they are some distance from the factory so could lose even more testing time.



#124 GodHimself

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 18:14

Lotus, The Car Is In The Post thread is going to appear on the main page soon, I'm afraid.  :wave:

 


Edited by GodHimself, 06 January 2014 - 18:15.


#125 NotAPineapple

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 18:20

Is missing the first test good? Ever?

 

No way.

 

Regardless of how the teams like to spin it (i.e. it gives us more design time) missing a test is never planned from the outset. It only happens when something goes wrong. Then, in that specific case, missing a test usually the only option.

 

For Lotus, it could be something minor like a leadtime issue of a critical component. Or something major like failing a crash test and the required rework.

 

At the same time, you can't consign a team to failure because they missed a test. Red Bull have done it. McLaren ran an untested rear end of their car after a disasterous testing in 2011.

 

TL;DR - No, but it won't necessarily doom them to failure.


Edited by NotAPineapple, 06 January 2014 - 18:21.


#126 Callisto

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 18:57

No way.

Regardless of how the teams like to spin it (i.e. it gives us more design time) missing a test is never planned from the outset. It only happens when something goes wrong. Then, in that specific case, missing a test usually the only option.

For Lotus, it could be something minor like a leadtime issue of a critical component. Or something major like failing a crash test and the required rework.

At the same time, you can't consign a team to failure because they missed a test. Red Bull have done it. McLaren ran an untested rear end of their car after a disasterous testing in 2011.

TL;DR - No, but it won't necessarily doom them to failure.

True but neither of those teams are in a financial hole like Lotus

#127 Hans V

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 19:01

Or missing something major like the drivetrain.,.,

#128 GodHimself

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 19:09

Or missing something major like the drivetrain.,.,

 

Well, they can always use a New engine, if they don't have one.  :rotfl: 



#129 spaceace1977

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 20:40

Is missing the first test good? Ever?

 

Didn't Brawn GP also missed the first test(s) in 2009?



#130 ZionLH

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 20:51

Didn't Brawn GP also missed the first test(s) in 2009?

 

I think the first tests started in Spain. where they shocked the world with the BGP 001



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 20:51

I predict they won't be the only team missing the test

 

Even those who turn up at the track.



#132 Exb

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 20:56

Didn't Brawn GP also missed the first test(s) in 2009?



Yes, so in 2009 and 2010 the team that won the championship missed the 1st test. Mercedes is another to miss the first test with their new car recently as well.

Also in 2012 Lotus themselves missed the majority of the 1st test due to a problem with the chassis. I guess that will be the main worry, with all the changes for this year. There is almost 3 weeks between the 1st and 2nd tests so plenty of time to sort out issues if any are discovered. Between the 2nd and 3rd there is only 5 days and they are all the way out in Bahrain so much more difficult to deal with problems.

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 21:16

In a year where reliability will probably be key, I can't think of any reason why a team would want to limit running.



#134 GodHimself

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 21:21

In a year where reliability will probably be key, I can't think of any reason why a team would want to limit running.

 

I would think that having no power unit would be enough of a reason.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 22:20

The thing here is that Lotus

 

A) Dont have RB/McLaren resources.

 

B) They don't have Brawn actually most of its key staff is leaving at a rate of 1 per day.

 

C) They only have one driver that might help them develop their car not like last year when they have two drivers.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 22:28

The most believebel reason for missing the test is non delivered parts from supplieres due to non payment.
And That is not a reason wich males a good season
Bjørn

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 22:45

I think the first tests started in Spain. where they shocked the world with the BGP 001

Other teams were already testing for some seven weeks, starting at the Algarve and then Jerez-Bahrain-Jerez,  when Brawn finally arrived in Barcelona that famous Monday, March 9.....



#138 ZionLH

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 23:40

Other teams were already testing for some seven weeks, starting at the Algarve and then Jerez-Bahrain-Jerez,  when Brawn finally arrived in Barcelona that famous Monday, March 9.....

 

whoops , cheers for the correction mate. I guess i was hung up on that three wheeling Mclaren i couldn't even tell what testing day/week it was. 



#139 HammyHamiltonFan

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 05:43

IIRC red bull missed the first test in 2010. :wave:

though that was only 3 days gone missing from the total of 15, now it would be 4 from the total of 12...

 

Red Bull could afford to miss testing then though, 3 days from 15 like you said, and for a team with vast resources and who know they were going to have a good car almost for sure anyway.

 

for Lotus it's a much bigger hit and not just cause of the number of days missed, for them you get the feeling it's cause they are struggling to complete ANY car, let alone a car that can compete, maybe we will see Caterham/Marussia get points this season after all if Lotus fall back enough  :rotfl:



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#140 Andy35

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:22

Obviously they are painting it in the best light but considering the amount of changes this year you'd have to think the first test would be for reliability and the 2nd to try and get some speed. In this case Lotus will be on reliability with other teams testing for speed.

 

Andy



#141 boldhakka

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:32

They didn't exactly have the best reliability last season either, so this is definitely not a good thing.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:36

 

Lotus will not be at the Jerez test with their new 2014 E22 according to the team's technical director Nick Chester. #f1

 

 

What's the odds on them lasting the season? 



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:40

The most believebel reason for missing the test is non delivered parts from supplieres due to non payment.
And That is not a reason wich males a good season
Bjørn

 

Precisely. There have been instances such as Brawn, Red Bull over the years who have missed first tests and gone on to have good seasons. 

 

But the Lotus situation should be looked at in isolation. This is a team in decline, engineers are leaving, staff and suppliers are not being paid, tests are being missed, cheques are still in the post... this is not situation that is going to end well at this rate.



#144 Shiroo

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:53

That's so retarded... No words for it. I expect them to give up on Bahrain as well :]



#145 Owen

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:58

Autosport's take on it http://www.autosport...t.php/id/112045



#146 Cyanide

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:58

Missing testing sessions ahead of such an important and drastically different season is a big blow to any team, really. No brainer. 

 

This doesn't even compare to 2009 Brawn situation, since the new power units this year need to be tested as much as possible for reliability checks and other safety measures. If there is a specific year when you shouldn't miss a test day, it's definitely this one. 



#147 santababy

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:16

Oh man, Lopez messing again...

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:48

It will be interesting though to see the difference in pace between the new cars and the Lotus of last year. Assuming they do run to gain tyre info / test a couple of new (mechanical) parts.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:13

I agree with others here that it is bad for Lotus to miss the test. A couple of teams have done so recently and done well but they were under very different circumstances.

This year with the new cars and new power units to sort out, all the running they can get will be beneficial and by not running until Bahrain they will only have 3 weeks from the first time the car runs to the first race and only 5 days until the final test, which does not give much time to fix any major problems that may curtail running in their first test. I just can't believe they can be missing this test by choice (extra development time).

#150 george1981

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 13:09

There was some talk before the last season ended that Lotus wanted the first test pushed back, so this isn't a total surprise. What is slightly more surprising is that they're not running the old car during this test. Presumably they would learn something from it if they were using the new tyres.